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January 11, 2015, 04:16:58 PM
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Ah, so we're at the old tulip game again, eh? Well, it has been proven and said many times before that you simply can't compare Bitcoin to tulips - well you can, but it doesn't make a lot sense since Bitcoin's supply is limited and it has inherent value. This is getting ridiculous...



Tulips are nothing like bitcoin because you cannot spend tulips on hookers and blow.
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January 11, 2015, 04:18:24 PM
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This is what is waiting for you friendly bitcoiners,

ahh, so someone who does not support Bitcoin posting on the Bitcoin forums.

That is the fastest way to my ignore.

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January 11, 2015, 04:24:40 PM
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I guess Tulips had utility or functional value in society right?

oh wait....  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy lol

More than bitcoins, actually. Not even trolling.
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January 11, 2015, 06:40:35 PM
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@OP: why do you care?

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January 11, 2015, 06:51:53 PM
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@OP: why do you care?
So maybe delusional bulls will finally see the truth and stop losing money on a shitty investment thinking that the market will finally turn around during the "despair" phase?


What's the alternative? That I want to manipulate the market in order to buy cheap coins?
Sure, whatever. I just can't wait.

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January 11, 2015, 10:56:34 PM
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So maybe delusional bulls will finally see the truth and stop losing money on a shitty investment thinking that the market will finally turn around during the "despair" phase?

What's the alternative? That I want to manipulate the market in order to buy cheap coins?
Sure, whatever. I just can't wait.

These arguments are superfluous. Clearly, both points of view apply in some respect.

12 months ago, Bitcoin was overvalued as an investment but undervalued as a technology.

As an investment it lost value this year. But as a technology there isn't much disagreement - even amongst the most hardened media trolls - that it is the future and it isn't hard to see why.

Up till now it's been impossible to create a monetary token that is electronic without being reproducible. It's simply the nature of electronic media that "copy & paste" rules and that has made it a huge challenge to create any kind of token that could be considered as tradable in such a way that it could not be counterfeited. The so called "electronic money" we use on a day to day basis isn't money. it's just a counterparty held balance that changes according to the instructions of other authoritative counterparties ("banks" to me & you).

With the invention of blockchain technology, the counterparty is no longer needed in the loop. This solves two problems that "tulips" never had a hope in hell of solving:

[1] - it provides the basis for an unbacked, unlevered electronic monetary base which, given that most of the worlds markets have moved from a physical to an electronic platform over the last century, is an inevitable consequence of modern technology

[2] - in principle, it makes the counterparty system redundant (I say in 'principle' because email didn't make the post office redundant, it just created a whole new medium where the post office was non existent)

Make no mistake. A technology which solves both those problems at once is of immense value - both practical and financial. Just look at the pain and anguish that was the common currency known as the Euro. And yet a couple of decades later we have a common currency that is self managing, doesn't require agonising years of debate between states and that is not enforced on anybody yet freely available to everybody.

Whether you think Bitcoin is "IT" or not, the technology is out of the bag and here to stay. As it happens, I think Bitcoin is now far enough down the line that it isn't now going to ever go away. The current valuation is fine - it's 300% to 400% what it was 18 months ago but what most people don't see if huge amount of infrastructure development that's gone on this year which will start to bear fruit now. It may not be some huge explosion - email wasn't, it just crept up on everyone until we were all using it.

To compare Bitcoin with tulips is a bit like comparing a modern aeroplane wing with a plank of wood. Yes - in some respects the comparison holds, but the only people who cite it as being significant are those with no clue of what makes one fly and the other not.

Cryptocurrencies will fly because they solve a huge problem - one that most people don't even realise they have yet because they've lived with it for so long. It  requires the supporting infrastructure to be advanced enough for mass adoption to take place, but take place it will.

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January 11, 2015, 11:04:44 PM
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Bitcoin's been exposed to the hacker community for longer than any other crypto and never been properly hacked. That alone makes bitcoin worth something and gives it more value than tulips. New 2.0 coins cannot compete with that yet. They can claim they are unhackable but only time will tell.
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January 12, 2015, 12:19:56 AM
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Actually tulips did have something of a supply constraint, because it would take 7 to 12 years to cultivate a flowering bulb from a seed. So no, tulips could not be spontaneously created as some of you seem to believe. People were willing to spend a lot on them because they were rare and rapidly increasing in value. Why else do you think they would have spent a fortune on them?? Simply because they were pretty??  Huh They expected a return on their investment.

You know.. exactly like bitcoiners. You can deny it all you want, but they're essentially thr same thing.


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January 12, 2015, 01:13:36 AM
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Actually tulips did have something of a supply constraint, because it would take 7 to 12 years to cultivate a flowering bulb from a seed. So no, tulips could not be spontaneously created as some of you seem to believe. People were willing to spend a lot on them because they were rare and rapidly increasing in value. Why else do you think they would have spent a fortune on them?? Simply because they were pretty??  Huh They expected a return on their investment.

You know.. exactly like bitcoiners. You can deny it all you want, but they're essentially thr same thing.



And you're essentially an idiot.  This is further backed by the fact that you created a novelty account called riiiising to counter falllling yet have broken out of character to become a bear.
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January 12, 2015, 02:10:01 AM
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And you're essentially an idiot.

Actually a disillusioned one who jumped on the bandwagon after all the hard work was done and is now throwing his toys out of the pram cos he didn't get rich quick enough.

every time people start to give up on a bubble, that means another is coming soon Cheesy We only had to shake the weak hands first.

Just remember that, if the fundamentals haven't changed, then we are still good.
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January 12, 2015, 02:26:15 AM
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Actually tulips did have something of a supply constraint, because it would take 7 to 12 years to cultivate a flowering bulb from a seed. So no, tulips could not be spontaneously created as some of you seem to believe. People were willing to spend a lot on them because they were rare and rapidly increasing in value. Why else do you think they would have spent a fortune on them?? Simply because they were pretty??  Huh They expected a return on their investment.

You know.. exactly like bitcoiners. You can deny it all you want, but they're essentially thr same thing.



And you're essentially an idiot.  This is further backed by the fact that you created a novelty account called riiiising to counter falllling yet have broken out of character to become a bear.

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Tulip Mania?  Really?  You absolutely, positively have to be the dumbest M'Fer on this entire board. 

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lol, you're dumb.

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Falllling is dumb as a rock.

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LOL @falllling.  Nice charts you idiot

Behold the world of debate, bitcoin style. When your opponent makes a perfectly valid point that you can't refute, call them "stupid".  Cheesy

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January 12, 2015, 02:30:26 AM
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And you're essentially an idiot.

Actually a disillusioned one who jumped on the bandwagon after all the hard work was done and is now throwing his toys out of the pram cos he didn't get rich quick enough.

every time people start to give up on a bubble, that means another is coming soon Cheesy We only had to shake the weak hands first.

Just remember that, if the fundamentals haven't changed, then we are still good.


i bought this account from the original bulltard idiot who owned it, because he had lost all his money and was desperate!

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January 12, 2015, 02:39:33 AM
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i bought this account from the original bulltard idiot who owned it, because he had lost all his money and was desperate!

Really.
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January 12, 2015, 02:41:56 AM
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i bought this account from the original bulltard idiot who owned it, because he had lost all his money and was desperate!

Really.


I don't actually know the exact reason he sold it, but I wouldn't say it's a stretch of the imagination that he lost a lot on this market and needed the cash. My consortium has purchased several accounts from bullish posters in the past several months.. it's much easier to use an established account than starting a new one.

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January 12, 2015, 02:46:21 AM
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My consortium has purchased several accounts from bullish posters in the past several months.

What do you need "established accounts for" ?
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January 12, 2015, 03:30:41 AM
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Even if this ridiculous story is true, it just proves the point that he has a hidden agenda, of trying to influence btc price downward. No good samaratin would willy nilly waste money or precious time just for the benefit of protecting all us bitcoin bulls/enthusiasts/believers, whatever you want to call us, from our helpless selves.


i bought this account from the original bulltard idiot who owned it, because he had lost all his money and was desperate!

Really.


I don't actually know the exact reason he sold it, but I wouldn't say it's a stretch of the imagination that he lost a lot on this market and needed the cash. My consortium has purchased several accounts from bullish posters in the past several months.. it's much easier to use an established account than starting a new one.
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January 12, 2015, 03:40:09 AM
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My consortium has purchased several accounts from bullish posters in the past several months.

What do you need "established accounts for" ?


Well, basically, it helps us diffuse our message quicker and warn other potential investors about the risks of investing in bitcoin. We have other reasons as well, but I'd prefer to not delve any further into that.

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January 12, 2015, 03:41:13 AM
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-beartard trolling-

And you're essentially an idiot.  This is further backed by the fact that you created a novelty account called riiiising to counter falllling yet have broken out of character to become a bear.

Don't confuse riiiiising with riiiising.

Riiiising was an intelligent poster with a sense of humor.

Riiiiising is indeed an idiot.
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January 12, 2015, 03:44:31 AM
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why do you noobs (who always seem to have crypto all figured out already) feel the need to constantly warn us about this thing you're convinced is a pyramid scheme / scam?  are they that concerned for our financial well-being that they have nothing better to do on the internet except persistently post their public service announcements that only get as imaginative as comparing bitcoins to tulips and Beanie Babies?   do they also frequent the Beanie Baby forums and urge people not to buy the 2015 Tie-Die model beanie baby, because they feel it is a bad investment?  why are they so hell-bent on telling us how to spend our money and rubbing our noses in it everytime crypto takes a hit?

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Why go out and take some risk when you can sit on an internet forum and criticize those that do?

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I mean, read their posts. Do these people sound like happy individuals?

That's basically the point. Don't take risks on highly speculative investments like bitcoin, especially now that all the air has been sucked out of it and it's falling steadily toward obscurity. If you had simply invested in the stock market last year, in basic index accounts, you'd have realized gains of well over 10%. Like Warren Buffett said, bitcoin is a mirage. Make wise choices, not get rich quick hail marys.

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January 12, 2015, 03:44:46 AM
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why do you noobs (who always seem to have crypto all figured out already) feel the need to constantly warn us about this thing you're convinced is a pyramid scheme / scam?  are they that concerned for our financial well-being that they have nothing better to do on the internet except persistently post their public service announcements that only get as imaginative as comparing bitcoins to tulips and Beanie Babies?   do they also frequent the Beanie Baby forums and urge people not to buy the 2015 Tie-Die model beanie baby, because they feel it is a bad investment?  why are they so hell-bent on telling us how to spend our money and rubbing our noses in it everytime crypto takes a hit?

Because they are fat, angry, self esteem-less losers with too much time on their hands.

Why go out and take some risk when you can sit on an internet forum and criticize those that do?

These are the type of people that watch reality television...never participating in life, but all the while criticizing those that do.

I mean, read their posts. Do these people sound like happy individuals?



They seem pretty relaxed actually, unlike most of you that suddenly lose your temper (like you just did) because you read things you don't want to read.

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