[VXC] V.Cash (Was: [VNL] Vanillacoin), a quiet word of warning.

[traumschiff]

@iCEBREAKER

That "code thief" single handedly coded more and with a higher quality than your beloved XMR developers, who couldn't put down anything on the table since the moment they forked bytecoin.

Must hurt to baghold something that will never get real world use or adoption with those "developers".

[traumschiff]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1189125.msg12507853#msg12507853:

Stealing code is not acceptable.  Denying the theft is even worse.

Smooth aka iCEBREAKER: This code is from the OpenSSL project from ecdhtest.c:

Code:

static EC_KEY *mk_eckey(int nid, const unsigned char *p, size_t plen)
{
    int ok = 0;
    EC_KEY *k = NULL;
    BIGNUM *priv = NULL;
    EC_POINT *pub = NULL;
    const EC_GROUP *grp;
    k = EC_KEY_new_by_curve_name(nid);
    if (!k)
        goto err;
    priv = BN_bin2bn(p, plen, NULL);
    if (!priv)
        goto err;
    if (!EC_KEY_set_private_key(k, priv))
        goto err;
    grp = EC_KEY_get0_group(k);
    pub = EC_POINT_new(grp);
    if (!pub)
        goto err;
    if (!EC_POINT_mul(grp, pub, priv, NULL, NULL, NULL))
        goto err;
    if (!EC_KEY_set_public_key(k, pub))
        goto err;
    ok = 1;
 err:
    if (priv)
        BN_clear_free(priv);
    if (pub)
        EC_POINT_free(pub);
    if (ok)
        return k;
    else if (k)
        EC_KEY_free(k);
    return NULL;
}

I agree, Bitcoin should not steal.

Thank you for your support.

[smooth]

False. The OpenSSL attribution is retained in the Bitcoin distribution.

This product includes software developed by the OpenSSL Project for use in the OpenSSL Toolkit.

Where is the attribution in vanilla coin along with your retraction of the false claim that vanillacoin was written entirely from scratch?

Whether the code was originally from Bitcoin or OpenSSL, you have now admitted that your marketing claim about vanillacoin was false.

In any case the code in VNL is structurally much more similar to the version in Bitcoin and was obviously copied from that one, not the OpenSSL variant (which is also a reasonable inference since there are other sections of Bitcoin code which are obviously copied/renamed and don't come from OpenSSL)

[YarkoL]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

"property rights", give me a break

[onemorexmr]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

"property rights", give me a break

here you go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

this thread is about john-connor copying code without honoring its license and lying about it

[monsterer]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

john connor won't discuss them, sadly. The whitepaper is seriously lacking in detail and doesn't address any attack vectors.

[traumschiff]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

"property rights", give me a break

here you go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

this thread is about john-connor copying code without honoring its license and lying about it

And this thread is dealing with a coin that has a single developer doing more work than any monero dev did with their bytecoin fork:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

[onemorexmr]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

"property rights", give me a break

here you go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

this thread is about john-connor copying code without honoring its license and lying about it

And this thread is dealing with a coin that has a single developer doing more work than any monero dev did with their bytecoin fork:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

ROFL you linked the same thread.
thanks for bumping this one though

[YarkoL]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

"property rights", give me a break

here you go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

I know that thread, I was hoping someone smarter
than me might review the new networking/consensus code and ascertain
if it is vulnerable to a double spend or some other type
of attack.

[pseudonymdude]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

"property rights", give me a break

here you go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

I know that thread, I was hoping someone smarter
than me might review the new networking/consensus code and ascertain
if it is vulnerable to a double spend or some other type
of attack.

Poloniex did review the code awhile ago.  It's the only coin other than Bitcoin that only requires 1 confirmation on Poloniex and has been that way for about 4 months.  You can test this by going here: https://poloniex.com/public?command=returnCurrencies and searching for minconf":1,

You'll get two results, which will be Vanillacoin and Bitcoin.

Some other things that are testable are:
- It's the only coin that has full, staking mobile wallets that allow you to move your wallet.dat to your PC from your Android and iOS wallets
- It's the only coin that gives you a random port if you have no config.dat.  All your ISP will see is normal SSL traffic while monitoring your ports, which is unlike what happens with all other coins

It's also the only coin to have near-instant 0 confirmation transactions without master nodes.  No one has been able to break Zerotime, but no exchanges accept Zerotime yet.

[LovSan]

I see now multiple threads about Vanillacoin, but
where is an intelligent discussion about whether the
coin actually delivers the distinctive new features it
claims to have?

"property rights", give me a break

here you go:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.new;topicseen#new

I know that thread, I was hoping someone smarter
than me might review the new networking/consensus code and ascertain
if it is vulnerable to a double spend or some other type
of attack.

Poloniex did review the code awhile ago.  It's the only coin other than Bitcoin that only requires 1 confirmation on Poloniex and has been that way for about 4 months.  You can test this by going here: https://poloniex.com/public?command=returnCurrencies and searching for minconf":1,

You'll get two results, which will be Vanillacoin and Bitcoin.

Some other things that are testable are:
- It's the only coin that has full, staking mobile wallets that allow you to move your wallet.dat to your PC from your Android and iOS wallets
- It's the only coin that gives you a random port if you have no config.dat.  All your ISP will see is normal SSL traffic while monitoring your ports, which is unlike what happens with all other coins

It's also the only coin to have near-instant 0 confirmation transactions without master nodes.  No one has been able to break Zerotime, but no exchanges accept Zerotime yet.

This is not quite accurate, Poloniex accepts ZT more than a month already.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=977245.msg12424677#msg12424677

[YarkoL]

Poloniex did review the code awhile ago.  

Did they? The code wasn't in the open at the time.

Also, while I respect Poloniex for their integrity (based on how they handled
the situation when they were hacked, ages ago) I'm not that convinced
of their aptitude when it comes to estimating code.

I have looked at the code, and it looks good to me, but I know
there are some people here who are better at spotting vulnerabilities
when it comes to this sort of thing.

[Furio]

No one even remembers this coin, I know I don't.  If he has shuffled a group of victims off elsewhere, not much to do about it unless they come back to BCT and see your warning.

Lately I saw an increase of people posting positively about Vanillacoin that its so underrated bladiebla:) Mostly newby accounts, but still it seems the guy wants one last dump and than is out

[traumschiff]

No one even remembers this coin, I know I don't.  If he has shuffled a group of victims off elsewhere, not much to do about it unless they come back to BCT and see your warning.

Lately I saw an increase of people posting positively about Vanillacoin that its so underrated bladiebla:) Mostly newby accounts, but still it seems the guy wants one last dump and than is out

You expect him to do one last dump with another few thousand lines code pushed in the last 2-3 weeks? It would be totally worth the time.

[pseudonymdude]

Poloniex did review the code awhile ago.  

Did they? The code wasn't in the open at the time.

Also, while I respect Poloniex for their integrity (based on how they handled
the situation when they were hacked, ages ago) I'm not that convinced
of their aptitude when it comes to estimating code.

I have looked at the code, and it looks good to me, but I know
there are some people here who are better at spotting vulnerabilities
when it comes to this sort of thing.

It was definitely open before Poloniex added it to their exchange in early March.  TF2honeybadger, the wallet manager at Polo at the time, was extremely impressed with the code and was on the Vanillacoin IRC channel frequently then.  Once John lowered the confirms to 1, TF2 said Busoni wanted a code review, but they would likely lower the confirms to 2.  TF2 didn't do the code review and I'm not sure who did, but they did eventually lower the confirms to 1 in early June.

Bittrex-richie, who was also on our IRC and added our coin a month later than Poloniex, had nothing but positive comments for TF2 btw.  Bittrex-richie was also somewhat impressed with the code, but wanted to see how another exchange fared with it for some time before adding it because it wasn't clone code.

[YarkoL]

Once John lowered the confirms to 1, TF2 said Busoni wanted a code review, but they would likely lower the confirms to 2.  TF2 didn't do the code review and I'm not sure who did, but they did eventually lower the confirms to 1 in early June.

Yep I remember that, because at the time
I asked j-c about it and he answered in the "official"
thread

The zero confirmation branch is private

But now that everythings in the open I'm waiting for
some intrepid explorer to dig in.

IMO john-connor is somewhat shady guy, but clearly
a very competent programmer, and therefore I'm still on the fence about
VNL.

[pseudonymdude]

Once John lowered the confirms to 1, TF2 said Busoni wanted a code review, but they would likely lower the confirms to 2.  TF2 didn't do the code review and I'm not sure who did, but they did eventually lower the confirms to 1 in early June.

Yep I remember that, because at the time
I asked j-c about it and he answered in the "official"
thread

The zero confirmation branch is private

But now that everythings in the open I'm waiting for
some intrepid explorer to dig in.

IMO john-connor is somewhat shady guy, but clearly
a very competent programmer, and therefore I'm still on the fence about
VNL.

As far as the altcoin world goes, he's about as least shady as they come.  The altcoin world is all salesmen trying to sell you their scam.  Over 99% of altcoins are all scams and promises with no results.

John is just sitting there, committing high quality code nobody has written before.  I believe he's actually trying to build something.

[groggin]

As far as the altcoin world goes, he's about as least shady as they come.  The altcoin world is all salesmen trying to sell you their scam.  Over 99% of altcoins are all scams and promises with no results.

John is just sitting there, committing high quality code nobody has written before.  I believe he's actually trying to build something.

 +1, in almost 2 years at bct, i've yet to meet a harder woking dev

his work speaks for itself

some quiet words of respect

tally ho!

[YarkoL]

Well maybe shady isn't the best word. What I meant
is a little bit mysterious and reticent when it comes to
exposition.

[Levole11]

Well maybe shady isn't the best word. What I meant
is a little bit mysterious and reticent when it comes to
exposition.

I can understand that 'image' for ppl who follow him only on bct, for ppl following him on irc its quite the contrary..