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January 14, 2015, 04:19:46 PM
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The president wants to overturn state laws that restrict cities from building their own Internet networks.


January 13, 2015 President Obama will travel to Cedar Falls, Iowa, on Wednesday to tout the ability of local governments to provide high-speed Internet to their residents.

And he will urge the Federal Communications Commission to strike down state laws around the country that restrict the ability of cities to build their own broadband networks. The move is likely to draw fire from Republicans, who argue that states should be free to set their own policies—including restrictions on local governments.


"Laws in 19 states—some specifically written by special interests trying to stifle new competitors—have held back broadband access and, with it, economic opportunity," the White House wrote in a fact sheet. "Today, President Obama is announcing a new effort to support local choice in broadband, formally opposing measures that limit the range of options available to communities to spur expanded local broadband infrastructure, including ownership of networks."

Telecom and cable companies have been lobbying for the state laws, arguing that it's not fair for them to have to compete with government-owned Internet providers. The companies claim the city projects discourage private investment and are often expensive failures. House Republicans passed legislation last year to protect the state laws from FCC action.

But the White House argues that many Americans lack any option for fast, affordable Internet service from private providers. Some cities have built their own networks offering speeds 100 times faster than the national average.

In a video released Tuesday, Obama explains that Cedar Falls, a city of just 40,000 people, provides broadband speeds that rival what is available in Seoul, Hong Kong, and Paris.

"The reason they can compete with these other cities is citizens got together and made the investment to bring competition in and make sure Internet speeds were just as fast there as anywhere else," Obama said. "That gives them a huge competitive advantage. It means a business can come in and locate there knowing that they can hook into world markets, products, services, anywhere around the globe."

Chattanooga, Tenn., and Wilson, N.C., filed petitions last year asking the FCC to nullify their states' laws limiting municipal broadband projects. The Obama administration plans to file a letter urging the FCC to side with the local governments.

FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler has already indicated he is likely to strike down the state limitations. "I believe that it is in the best interests of consumers and competition that the FCC exercises its power to preempt state laws that ban or restrict competition from community broadband," he said last year.

It's not the first time that Obama has waded into a debate at the FCC, an independent agency that is not bound to comply with his wishes. In November, he urged the agency to enact the "strongest possible" net-neutrality regulations to ensure users can access whatever online content they choose.

In addition to asking the FCC to strike down the state limits, the White House plans to host a summit of mayors and county commissioners who want to build their own broadband projects. And the Commerce Department will provide resources and tools to help local officials get the projects off the ground.

The White House also plans to create a Broadband Opportunity Council to examine government regulations that may be holding back broadband deployment. The Agriculture Department plans to relaunch a program to provide loans to rural broadband providers.


http://www.nationaljournal.com/tech/obama-backs-government-run-internet-20150113




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January 14, 2015, 04:30:22 PM
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While being top economy the US sure has a shit Internet infrastructure, maybe with some competition from the government providers start providing a better service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

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January 14, 2015, 04:35:07 PM
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While being top economy the US sure has a shit Internet infrastructure, maybe with some competition from the government providers start providing a better service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds



Just like with 0bamacare does?


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January 14, 2015, 04:46:38 PM
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While being top economy the US sure has a shit Internet infrastructure, maybe with some competition from the government providers start providing a better service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

Just like with 0bamacare does?


Don't know how that works.

In my country there are lots of villages or places in big towns with free Internet access, and we rank pretty good on that wikipedia list.

I don't live in one of those places, but where I live we have connections up to 400 mbps and they are very stable.

The Net is more than a luxury, it will become a right. Smiley

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January 14, 2015, 05:21:31 PM
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While being top economy the US sure has a shit Internet infrastructure, maybe with some competition from the government providers start providing a better service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

Just like with 0bamacare does?


Don't know how that works.

In my country there are lots of villages or places in big towns with free Internet access, and we rank pretty good on that wikipedia list.

I don't live in one of those places, but where I live we have connections up to 400 mbps and they are very stable.

The Net is more than a luxury, it will become a right. Smiley

So you mean you need a government body of unelected shadowy bureaucrats to give you that right, until some other unelected shadowy bureaucrats will negotiate the fine tuning of that right in the future, for your own good?

You've heard of project loon from google and other similar project from facebook: free internet for the whole globe via flying drones or balloons. Those are US companies. Now would you need to give up your (wherever you live) rights to the US government so you could be monitored online for your own good because you will be using a US utility service?

That is why I included that giant trojan horse image. We may not agree on much but... Look at the big picture. What cameron is pushing for, for example. Nothing is done in a vacuum at that level.

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January 14, 2015, 05:26:35 PM
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So you mean you need a government body of unelected shadowy bureaucrats to give you that right, until some other unelected shadowy bureaucrats will negotiate the fine tuning of that right in the future, for your own good?

You've heard of project loon from google and other similar project from facebook: free internet for the whole globe via flying drones or balloons. Those are US companies. Now would you need to give up your (wherever you live) rights to the US government so you could be monitored online for your own good because you will be using a US utility service?

That is why I included that giant trojan horse image. We may not agree on much but... Look at the big picture. What cameron is pushing for, for example. Nothing is done in a vacuum at that level.

Smiley


Dude, I'm not from US, I don't really care.

But I pay taxes, it's not just for some "shadowy bureaucrats" have nice vacations, we must have some good services in return...

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January 14, 2015, 05:45:57 PM
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You've heard of project loon from google and other similar project from facebook: free internet for the whole globe via flying drones or balloons. Those are US companies. Now would you need to give up your (wherever you live) rights to the US government so you could be monitored online for your own good because you will be using a US utility service?

How adorable you think you're not already being monitored! And you realize they're talking about local (city) networks, not some ISP run by the federal government, right? Because in your haste to make another anti-0b4m4 post, your representation of what is happening and what is actually happening are not the same.

Aren't r3publ1c4ns about local authority? Cuz you're actually arguing against local authority. The laws in question that have been enacted at the state level restrict the rights of people at an even more local level (city government) to band together and create their own network. How droll!

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January 14, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
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They already have a government run internet. It's called .gov.

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January 15, 2015, 01:19:07 AM
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So you mean you need a government body of unelected shadowy bureaucrats to give you that right, until some other unelected shadowy bureaucrats will negotiate the fine tuning of that right in the future, for your own good?

You've heard of project loon from google and other similar project from facebook: free internet for the whole globe via flying drones or balloons. Those are US companies. Now would you need to give up your (wherever you live) rights to the US government so you could be monitored online for your own good because you will be using a US utility service?

That is why I included that giant trojan horse image. We may not agree on much but... Look at the big picture. What cameron is pushing for, for example. Nothing is done in a vacuum at that level.

Smiley


Dude, I'm not from US, I don't really care.

But I pay taxes, it's not just for some "shadowy bureaucrats" have nice vacations, we must have some good services in return...

No questions asked. Not my problem. Vacations are good.

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January 15, 2015, 01:48:09 AM
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You've heard of project loon from google and other similar project from facebook: free internet for the whole globe via flying drones or balloons. Those are US companies. Now would you need to give up your (wherever you live) rights to the US government so you could be monitored online for your own good because you will be using a US utility service?

How adorable you think you're not already being monitored! And you realize they're talking about local (city) networks, not some ISP run by the federal government, right? Because in your haste to make another anti-0b4m4 post, your representation of what is happening and what is actually happening are not the same.

Aren't r3publ1c4ns about local authority? Cuz you're actually arguing against local authority. The laws in question that have been enacted at the state level restrict the rights of people at an even more local level (city government) to band together and create their own network. How droll!

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Zero x b x 4 x m x 4 = Zero. Yep. That sums him perfectly  Wink

You can freely go back in time and scan all my posts regarding the lack of freedom (total monitoring of the internet, security). I am not a C3PObl1c4ns.

Some people believe, maybe you, that everything needs to be heavily centralized for progress to flourish. Only a few chosen intellectuals should allow the mass to be creative, under strict supervision. That is the vision of that failed equation, also called 0b4m4. Nothing should be done without a heavy dose of a big gov magic dust.

I do not.

Decentralization and a bubbling of super creative minds is what push people forward. It is the same phenomenon that pushes Nature forward and adapt.

0b4m4 is by definition an evolution dead end. Zero.

On a personal level I think the dude looks charming and he is maybe a great dad. I am not a big fan of his socialistic egocentric narcissistic narrow minded vision, that is all...

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January 15, 2015, 06:35:41 AM
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Locally-run internet providers might provide better service and quality at lower prices then centralized corporations.

Obviously, that is evil and every freedom-loving citizen must rally to the support of laws that ban such horrible abominations.

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January 15, 2015, 08:34:48 AM
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While being top economy the US sure has a shit Internet infrastructure, maybe with some competition from the government providers start providing a better service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Internet_connection_speeds

It's worse in Canada we have a few companies and they monopolize it and charge premiums
Combined with cell phone service and you have a giant rip off.
However unlike the US some cities and municipalities do make their own lines and get fast internet O-Net etc.
Newmount in the USA
So this seems like a good enough idea (Subject name had me thinking of some sort of Skynet though)

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January 15, 2015, 05:00:58 PM
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You've heard of project loon from google and other similar project from facebook: free internet for the whole globe via flying drones or balloons. Those are US companies. Now would you need to give up your (wherever you live) rights to the US government so you could be monitored online for your own good because you will be using a US utility service?

How adorable you think you're not already being monitored! And you realize they're talking about local (city) networks, not some ISP run by the federal government, right? Because in your haste to make another anti-0b4m4 post, your representation of what is happening and what is actually happening are not the same.

Aren't r3publ1c4ns about local authority? Cuz you're actually arguing against local authority. The laws in question that have been enacted at the state level restrict the rights of people at an even more local level (city government) to band together and create their own network. How droll!

0b4m4
Zero x b x 4 x m x 4 = Zero. Yep. That sums him perfectly  Wink

You can freely go back in time and scan all my posts regarding the lack of freedom (total monitoring of the internet, security). I am not a C3PObl1c4ns.

Some people believe, maybe you, that everything needs to be heavily centralized for progress to flourish. Only a few chosen intellectuals should allow the mass to be creative, under strict supervision. That is the vision of that failed equation, also called 0b4m4. Nothing should be done without a heavy dose of a big gov magic dust.

I do not.

Decentralization and a bubbling of super creative minds is what push people forward. It is the same phenomenon that pushes Nature forward and adapt.

0b4m4 is by definition an evolution dead end. Zero.

On a personal level I think the dude looks charming and he is maybe a great dad. I am not a big fan of his socialistic egocentric narcissistic narrow minded vision, that is all...

 Smiley




That's a great response to nothing I said. Let me simplify it for you so you don't get distracted by all the deprecating leet-speak. You're advocating for laws that restrict freedom by opposing the president on this one. That's quite contrary to conservative values, so you're selling out your self-proclaimed identity and values just to oppose the president.

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January 16, 2015, 05:05:35 AM
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I'm pretty libertarian, and I think this is a great idea...

This won't remove your ability to retain your current ISP, but it will open the door to allow private networks to be created...

I imagine what you're concerned about is the local government having the ability to inspect or record each packet of data you transmit as they would then be the "ISP." It's not quite like that, this will allow private companies to build new networks and the local government network won't be the only game in town...

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January 16, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
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I'm pretty libertarian, and I think this is a great idea...

This won't remove your ability to retain your current ISP, but it will open the door to allow private networks to be created...

I imagine what you're concerned about is the local government having the ability to inspect or record each packet of data you transmit as they would then be the "ISP." It's not quite like that, this will allow private companies to build new networks and the local government network won't be the only game in town...

Nah, he just doesn't like it cuz it came from Obama, even though it's an action in defense of the traditional conservative value of local autonomy.

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January 16, 2015, 04:26:21 PM
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I'm pretty libertarian, and I think this is a great idea...

This won't remove your ability to retain your current ISP, but it will open the door to allow private networks to be created...

I imagine what you're concerned about is the local government having the ability to inspect or record each packet of data you transmit as they would then be the "ISP." It's not quite like that, this will allow private companies to build new networks and the local government network won't be the only game in town...

Nah, he just doesn't like it cuz it came from Obama, even though it's an action in defense of the traditional conservative value of local autonomy.





Did the GOP cave on net neutrality?


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/16/did-the-gop-cave-on-net-neutrality/


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January 16, 2015, 05:43:20 PM
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I'm pretty libertarian, and I think this is a great idea...

This won't remove your ability to retain your current ISP, but it will open the door to allow private networks to be created...

I imagine what you're concerned about is the local government having the ability to inspect or record each packet of data you transmit as they would then be the "ISP." It's not quite like that, this will allow private companies to build new networks and the local government network won't be the only game in town...

Nah, he just doesn't like it cuz it came from Obama, even though it's an action in defense of the traditional conservative value of local autonomy.





Did the GOP cave on net neutrality?


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/16/did-the-gop-cave-on-net-neutrality/


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Naturally, 1 world, 1 government and 1 internet!
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January 16, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
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I'm pretty libertarian, and I think this is a great idea...

This won't remove your ability to retain your current ISP, but it will open the door to allow private networks to be created...

I imagine what you're concerned about is the local government having the ability to inspect or record each packet of data you transmit as they would then be the "ISP." It's not quite like that, this will allow private companies to build new networks and the local government network won't be the only game in town...

Nah, he just doesn't like it cuz it came from Obama, even though it's an action in defense of the traditional conservative value of local autonomy.





Did the GOP cave on net neutrality?


http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/16/did-the-gop-cave-on-net-neutrality/


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remember when liberals were pro freedom yeah I do
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