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Question: Should we replace the trust system with something more fair?
Yes - 4 (33.3%)
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January 16, 2015, 03:28:53 AM
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Hi All,

As you see I am a fairly new user at bitcointalk, Althought I have been mining bitcoin since 2010.

I think the bitcointalk trust system is rediculous and allows high post users to abuse the system. Even if that "high post" user is wrong or doesnt have any evidence.

I am currently watching a thread, the operator seems nice and genuine, The service has yet to do anything wrong at all but still the user has minus trust because 3 high post users have left the operator bad trust without evidence. What happened with "innocent until proven guilty"? the bitcointalk trust system is a system that uses morals from the 1800's.

Just because a user is able to post 600+ posts does not mean they are not a raving idiot. As I have seen many times. especially the users who left bad trust to the operator, I seen them posting PONZI and SCAM in size 40 font red letter and then they wonder why their post gets deleted and then complain and leave bad trust.....

I agree we need to let newbies know if someone is "suspicious" but ruining the trust rating of someone that could be genuine is going to effect their business. Is that the way the Bitcoin community want to be seen?

To be honest I am a very good PHP dev. But as much as I want to help the community and write some good software.. I know as soon as I post it (open source) I will be called a scammer, its just a joke a complete f...ing joke.

The trust system needs to be replaced before genuine people like me stop developing software and stop opening services because they are too afraid of what might happen to their reputation.

Not everyone is a scammer, maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt to most people and deal with the scammers seperately.

There must be a better system than this.
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January 16, 2015, 04:35:44 AM
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There's already a thread on DefaultTrust:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.0

And you are asking people to remove trust from ponzi operators in particular. You won't get sympathy on this board for those who start ponzis. They have a terrible track record and also been proven unsustainable. The negative trust for any member engaging in these activities is completely justified.
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January 16, 2015, 04:37:35 AM
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High post count doesn't have anything to do with trust. You can have a 100 posts and be able to visibly influence trust.

The majority will tell you to think of a better system, because although this one is not perfect there's no substitute at the moment.

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January 16, 2015, 04:58:55 AM
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You are going to have to be much more specific. What user gave the trust and what user received the negative trust.

We just had massive drama about the trust system not even a week ago. There were probably at least 10 threads open about the trust system that were all active and at least 3 about one particular user

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January 16, 2015, 10:43:07 AM
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Hi All,

As you see I am a fairly new user at bitcointalk, Althought I have been mining bitcoin since 2010.

I think the bitcointalk trust system is rediculous and allows high post users to abuse the system. Even if that "high post" user is wrong or doesnt have any evidence.

Thats not how it works.

I am currently watching a thread, the operator seems nice and genuine, The service has yet to do anything wrong at all but still the user has minus trust because 3 high post users have left the operator bad trust without evidence. What happened with "innocent until proven guilty"? the bitcointalk trust system is a system that uses morals from the 1800's.

It is easy to give a negative rating once it is clear that someone is scammer. The idea is that mor experienced users of the board give a warning. The rating does not and can not prevent anyone from useing the service. E.g. i left several users a negative feedback because they run ponzis. The text to the feedback say: "runs a ponzi". IF you came to play a ponzi, how would that rating stop you?

This is a very basic concept and its called: make up your own mind. If you can think for yourself the negative ratings without any usefull information and reference links should not matter to you. A rating is - just like a post - a personal opinion. The opinions of some are given more weight than others because of the way the trust system work, but it does not make it universally true.

Just because a user is able to post 600+ posts does not mean they are not a raving idiot.

I agree.

As I have seen many times. especially the users who left bad trust to the operator, I seen them posting PONZI and SCAM in size 40 font red letter and then they wonder why their post gets deleted and then complain and leave bad trust.....

I dont see the problem. Well spam is a problem, but the rating is not. Its an opinion and if the eyes of the person that gives the rating the operator of a ponzi is considered a scammer the rating is justified. If you think the operator is trustworthy leave own rating accordingly.

I agree we need to let newbies know if someone is "suspicious" but ruining the trust rating of someone that could be genuine is going to effect their business. Is that the way the Bitcoin community want to be seen?

There are plenty of threads[1] discussing whether a ponzi can be legitimate or not. Feel free to read them and comment there, I dont want to repeat myself.

To be honest I am a very good PHP dev. But as much as I want to help the community and write some good software.. I know as soon as I post it (open source) I will be called a scammer, its just a joke a complete f...ing joke.

I doubt that this is true, well unless you are posting a fraudulent service or one that has a very high chance of beeing fraudulent.

The trust system needs to be replaced before genuine people like me stop developing software and stop opening services because they are too afraid of what might happen to their reputation.

Not everyone is a scammer, maybe we should give the benefit of the doubt to most people and deal with the scammers seperately.

There must be a better system than this.

Theymos recently made a suggestion to improve it. It was not accepted by the community. Maybe you can contribute in that thread[2] with your ideas on how to improve it.

Edit: let me just quote this from the above thread[2] because I think it is a very good summary of how the DefaultTrust system should be used.

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The important thing that MANY people seem not to realize is that the "Trust List" should NOT be a list of trusted individuals.  If your trust list is a list of individuals that you trust, then you are DOING IT WRONG.

Your "Trust List" SHOULD BE a list of individuals whose OPINIONS YOU VALUE.  By adding someone to your "Trust List" you are effectively saying: "If this person has expressed an opinion about another individual, I value that opinion far more than I value the opinions of the rest of the users on bitcointalk.

You can value the opinions that someone expresses about others even if you wouldn't trust them to hold on to a single satoshi for you.  You can also trust someone to hold on to 10,000 BTC, and still not value the things they have to say about other users.


[1] e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=923461.0
[2] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=914641.0

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