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NONE of these 1.0 copycat Cryptos will be used by the average person for real practical purposes. Only Bitcoin and some Crypto 2.0 technologies. Forget about 1.0 bitcoin copies.
I used a pretty basic standard for including coins in this list. What coins would you like me to look at? NXT is in the list, it's not exactly "1.0". |
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Joe200 (OP)
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January 27, 2015, 08:20:37 PM |
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I'll grab data for these coins the next time I make the list. Is ethereum even tradable yet? Where?
Both MAID and XCP are on my longer list (age 200+ days). But their volume is too low, so they didn't make the final cut.
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happygeorge
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January 27, 2015, 10:53:30 PM |
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Thank you for this analysis. I'm afraid this analysis is flawed on so many levels. Here's the most up-to-date information: https://www.coingecko.com/^^^ It's not perfect, but it's a good up-to-date overview that would take a lot of work to improve on. My "category A" alt-coin shortlist is: - Ripple - NXT - Stellar That's it. LTC is dead. There are about 10 "category B" (no money, few developers, no influence, no experience) alt-coins vying with each other. Then there's "category C" - a waste of time. dude, the site you suggest, coingecko, lists LTC as number 2... where do you see it "dead" ? Just wondering... I am really heavy into LTC. |
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Eamorr
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January 28, 2015, 01:48:24 AM |
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Thank you for this analysis. I'm afraid this analysis is flawed on so many levels. Here's the most up-to-date information: https://www.coingecko.com/^^^ It's not perfect, but it's a good up-to-date overview that would take a lot of work to improve on. My "category A" alt-coin shortlist is: - Ripple - NXT - Stellar That's it. LTC is dead. There are about 10 "category B" (no money, few developers, no influence, no experience) alt-coins vying with each other. Then there's "category C" - a waste of time. dude, the site you suggest, coingecko, lists LTC as number 2... where do you see it "dead" ? Just wondering... I am really heavy into LTC. Litecoin??? Whatever floats your boat. Some folks fly 747s and get well paid for it. Others save up for months to buy hobby remote controlled drones. LTC hobbyists are in the latter category. coingecko's analysis isn't perfect, but it's pretty good. For example, Ripple's community rating is very heavily suppressed because xrptalk gets all the chat, with forum.ripple.com only getting official chat and technical chat. |
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Joe200 (OP)
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January 29, 2015, 02:55:48 PM |
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* A more thorough discussion of the coins on this list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=939072* BTS should also be on the list. To construct the list, I considered the volume of Alt/BTC and converted it into USD. With BTS, the bulk of the volume is in BTS/CNY. Recent BTS/CNY volume is on the order of $50k+, much higher than my cutoff of $10k. I will attempt to address this in future versions of this list. |
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January 30, 2015, 03:02:37 PM |
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you forget to add stellar(str) stellar.org
stellar is also a good altcoin, with a real company behind them
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Eamorr
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January 30, 2015, 07:22:14 PM |
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you forget to add stellar(str) stellar.org
stellar is also a good altcoin, with a real company behind them
As the days go by, they're becoming less and less relevant. |
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Joe200 (OP)
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Hundreds of coins out there. Which ones should be on your radar? Here is the list. I am not saying that these coins will go up or down. I am saying that they can at least be considered. They have been trading long enough (200+ days) that they are probably not scamcoins. Their recent daily volume is large enough ($10k+) that it's not a complete waste of your time to trade them. The list. BTC, DOGE, LTC, DRK, PPC, XRP, NXT, NMC, XMR. Read below for details. Last updated: 2015-01-27. What do you guys think? Good list? Which of these coins do you like? If you want me to consider adding another coin to this list, comment below. If the coin has actively traded on an exchange different than where it is actively trading now, let me know too. Update (2015-01-29): * A more thorough discussion of the coins on this list: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=939072* BTS should also be on the list. To construct the list, I considered the volume of Alt/BTC and converted it into USD. With BTS, the bulk of the volume is in BTS/CNY. Recent BTS/CNY volume is on the order of $50k+, much higher than my cutoff of $10k. I will attempt to address this in future versions of this list. Tables. Here is what I show in the tables below: * age: the number of days since the coin started trading on an exchange. I think that if the coin has been trading for 200+ days, it's probably not a scamcoin. Could it still be a scamcoin? Sure. Are there some gems in the pile of shit that's been trading for less than 200 days? Possibly, but good luck finding them. * volume.usd: recent daily volume of Alt/BTC, as measured in USD. (For BTC, it's the volume of BTC/USD.) Websites like coinmarketcap only give you today's volume. This is worthless just because a coin could have one hot day and then show up on their list. I am using the last month of data for determining current volume. I think that if a coin's daily volume is $10k or more, then it's not a complete waste of your time to try to trade it. * n.exch: the number of exchanges from which I used data to construct a price series for this coin. I actually had to poll many more exchanges, to see if they had anything useful. And I had to clean all this data. Surprise, surprise -- lots of exchanges give you lots of shitty data. Probably not a scamcoin. It's possible that these coins are not complete scams / shit. They've been trading on an exchange for at least 200 days. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 btc 1,660 4,500,000 4
2 ltc 927 282,000 5
3 ppc 873 22,400 4
4 nmc 860 12,700 4
5 dvc 841 79.9 4
6 ixc 841 83.6 3
7 trc 718 323 4
8 nvc 715 2,110 2
9 frc 643 22.7 5
10 ftc 638 1,740 4
11 wdc 618 1,660 4
12 dgc 612 109 4
13 mec 586 607 2
14 ifc 569 6.63 2
15 xpm 566 2,030 4
16 anc 556 302 2
17 qrk 552 615 3
18 ybc 548 849 2
19 zet 513 362 3
20 nxt 426 15,600 5
21 pts 425 248 4
22 doge 406 880,000 3
23 msc 406 273 3
24 max 355 351 4
25 xrp 347 17,900 6
26 drk 345 180,000 4
27 xcp 345 7,250 2
28 cha 293 9.02 3
29 bits 282 29.1 2
30 vrc 260 1,010 3
31 bbr 241 432 2
32 xmr 238 11,500 2
33 bts 205 5,780 5
34 maid 203 5,590 2
35 xst 203 1,320 2
BTC plus 34 other coins. I think I was pretty liberal with the 200 day cutoff. But, I figured, why not. Most of the coins near the bottom drop off in the next step anyway, so might as well show the data for them. Probably not a scamcoin and possibly not a waste of your time. In addition to trading for at least 200 days, these coins have a recent daily volume of at least $10k. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 btc 1,660 4,500,000 4
2 doge 406 880,000 3
3 ltc 927 282,000 5
4 drk 345 180,000 4
5 ppc 873 22,400 4
6 xrp 347 17,900 6
7 nxt 426 15,600 5
8 nmc 860 12,700 4
9 xmr 238 11,500 2
Only 9 coins in all. Ignore the rest, focus on these. Yes, I had to go to 6 different exchanges to get the data on Ripple. Mainly Kraken and Cryptsy, plus the Rock, Poloniex, BTC38, and even Allcoin. Others. People have asked me about these coins. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 nxt 426 15,600 5
2 max 355 351 4
3 excl 122 307 2
NXT is on the list. MAX's volume is tiny. EXCL has a tiny volume and hasn't really been around long enough. |
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Joe200 (OP)
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March 17, 2015, 06:16:24 PM |
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Just updated the list. See the first post in this thread.
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March 18, 2015, 02:10:42 AM |
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useless thread.  |
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Joe200 (OP)
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July 23, 2015, 05:30:42 PM |
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Hundreds of coins out there. Which ones should be on your radar? Here is the list. I am not saying that these coins will go up or down. I am saying that they can at least be considered. They have been trading long enough (200+ days) that they are probably not scamcoins. Their recent daily volume is large enough ($10k+) that it's not a complete waste of your time to trade them. The list. BTC, LTC, DRK, DOGE, BTS, XMR. Read below for details. Last updated: 2015-03-17. What do you guys think? Good list? Which of these coins do you like? If you want me to consider adding another coin to this list, comment below. If the coin has actively traded on an exchange different than where it is actively trading now, let me know too. Tables. Here is what I show in the tables below: * age: the number of days since the coin started trading on an exchange. I think that if the coin has been trading for 200+ days, it's probably not a scamcoin. Could it still be a scamcoin? Sure. Are there some gems in the pile of shit that's been trading for less than 200 days? Possibly, but good luck finding them. * volume.usd: recent daily volume of Alt/BTC, as measured in USD. (For BTC, it's the volume of BTC/USD.) Websites like coinmarketcap only give you today's volume. This is worthless just because a coin could have one hot day and then show up on their list. I am using the last month of data for determining current volume. I think that if a coin's daily volume is $10k or more, then it's not a complete waste of your time to try to trade it. Fot BTS, most volume is in BTS/CNY, not BTS/BTC. (Anyone know why that is?) I merge BTS(X)/CNY to BTS(X)/BTC. * n.exch: the number of exchanges from which I used data to construct a price series for this coin. I actually had to poll many more exchanges, to see if they had anything useful. And I had to clean all this data. Surprise, surprise -- lots of exchanges give you lots of shitty data. (This number is not accurate for BTS(X).) Probably not a scamcoin. It's possible that these coins are not complete scams / shit. They've been trading on an exchange for at least 200 days. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 btc 1,700 4,820,000 5
2 ltc 976 154,000 2
3 dvc 890 3.15 2
4 nmc 883 2,800 2
5 nvc 764 941 1
6 trc 711 66.2 2
7 ppc 711 4,740 3
8 frc 692 0.308 2
9 ftc 687 50.5 4
10 wdc 667 36.3 3
11 dgc 661 55.9 2
12 ixc 655 16.7 1
13 mec 635 0.303 2
14 ifc 618 22.9 1
15 anc 605 2 2
16 xpm 601 76.8 3
17 qrk 601 6.05 2
18 ybc 597 78.2 2
19 zet 562 23.6 3
20 nxt 475 7,750 4
21 pts 474 10 3
22 doge 455 76,300 4
23 vtc 407 80.4 2
24 max 404 159 3
25 xrp 396 3,690 4
26 drk 396 79,500 4
27 xcp 394 2,470 2
28 aur 391 1.12 3
29 myr 385 51.8 3
30 bc 382 6.15 6
31 mzc 376 30.2 2
32 pot 371 278 2
33 rdd 369 375 2
34 dgb 369 909 2
35 bits 331 9.79 2
36 vrc 312 762 4
37 bcn 302 2,140 2
38 cha 296 0 2
39 hyper 291 354 1
40 bbr 290 345 2
41 xmr 287 27,100 2
42 msc 259 22.5 2
43 bts 254 40,400 2
44 maid 252 2,550 2
45 xst 252 267 1
46 btcd 247 811 2
47 via 243 1,140 1
48 str 220 6,490 3
49 sjcx 211 1,600 1
A bunch of new coins on the list. Last time we did this, it was BTC plus 34 alts. Now, it's BTC plus 48 other coins. I think I was pretty liberal with the 200 day cutoff. But, I figured, why not. Most of the coins near the bottom drop off in the next step anyway, so might as well show the data for them. Probably not a scamcoin and possibly not a waste of your time. In addition to trading for at least 200 days, these coins have a recent daily volume of at least $10k. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 btc 1,700 4,820,000 5
2 ltc 976 154,000 2
3 drk 396 79,500 4
4 doge 455 76,300 4
5 bts 254 40,400 2
6 xmr 287 27,100 2
Last time, we had 9 coins on the list. We are now down to 6. Ignore the rest, focus on these. I pull and merge data from lots of different exchanges. For a couple of coins (they didn't make the final list), I had to go to 6 different exchanges. Others. People have asked me about these coins. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 nxt 475 7,750 4
2 str 220 6,490 3
3 maid 252 2,550 2
4 xcp 394 2,470 2
5 opal 189 325 3
6 excl 171 233 2
7 max 404 159 3
None of them have a decent enough volume. Sorry. NXT has dropped off the list. Both NXT and STR are close to the $10k cutoff though. Next time, they might get on the list. Previous versions.* 2015-01-27: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927144.msg10803514#msg10803514 |
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Joe200 (OP)
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July 23, 2015, 05:41:37 PM |
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Check the OP for an update.
The list. BTC, LTC, DASH, DOGE, POT, NMC, BTS, ANC, XMR, XRP.
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July 23, 2015, 07:11:57 PM |
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A bunch of new coins on the list. First time I did this, it was BTC plus 34 alts. Then, BTC plus 48 other coins. Now, BTC plus 60 coins. The more we do this, the more coins can pass the 200 day cutoff.
I think I was pretty liberal with the 200 day cutoff. But, I figured, why not. Most of the coins near the bottom drop off in the next step anyway, so might as well show the data for them.
So why not raise the cut-off point instead of adding more and more coins to the list? I would think as time goes on and Bitcoin and the alts mature, we should be raising the bar, not lowering it. It's been about 6 months since you first posted this, why not re-run the calculations at 365 days as a cutoff point? |
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Joe200 (OP)
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July 23, 2015, 07:51:19 PM |
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So why not raise the cut-off point instead of adding more and more coins to the list? I would think as time goes on and Bitcoin and the alts mature, we should be raising the bar, not lowering it. It's been about 6 months since you first posted this, why not re-run the calculations at 365 days as a cutoff point?
I have two criteria -- age and volume. When I use both of these criteria, the youngest coin on the list is actually BTS, at 382 days of age. |
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August 12, 2015, 02:42:13 PM |
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How often do you update the list?
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Joe200 (OP)
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August 12, 2015, 03:39:48 PM |
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Whenever I feel like it and have the spare time.
I've written a program to do most of the work. But it still takes time to download data on all the coins from all the exchanges, merge it, and then write up the post.
I might have some time in the coming days to do an update, though no guarantees.
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August 12, 2015, 06:37:33 PM |
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Whenever I feel like it and have the spare time.
I've written a program to do most of the work. But it still takes time to download data on all the coins from all the exchanges, merge it, and then write up the post.
I might have some time in the coming days to do an update, though no guarantees.
I will PM you soon... |
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Hundreds of coins out there. Which ones should be on your radar? Here is the list. I am not saying that these coins will go up or down. I am saying that they can at least be considered. They have been trading long enough (200+ days) that they are probably not scamcoins. Their recent daily volume is large enough ($10k+) that it's not a complete waste of your time to trade them. The list. BTC, LTC, DASH, DOGE, POT, NMC, BTS, ANC, XMR, XRP. Read below for details. Last updated: 2015-07-23. What do you guys think? Good list? Which of these coins do you like? If you want me to consider adding another coin to this list, comment below. If the coin has actively traded on an exchange different than where it is actively trading now, let me know too. Tables. Here is what I show in the tables below: * age: the number of days since the coin started trading on an exchange. I think that if the coin has been trading for 200+ days, it's probably not a scamcoin. Could it still be a scamcoin? Sure. Are there some gems in the pile of shit that's been trading for less than 200 days? Possibly, but good luck finding them. * volume.usd: recent daily volume of Alt/BTC, as measured in USD. (For BTC, it's the volume of BTC/USD.) Websites like coinmarketcap only give you today's volume. This is worthless just because a coin could have one hot day and then show up on their list. I am using the last month of data for determining current volume. I think that if a coin's daily volume is $10k or more, then it's not a complete waste of your time to try to trade it. For BTS, most volume is in BTS/CNY, not BTS/BTC. (Anyone know why that is?) I merge BTS(X)/CNY to BTS(X)/BTC. * n.exch: the number of exchanges from which I used data to construct a price series for this coin. I actually had to poll many more exchanges, to see if they had anything useful. And I had to clean all this data. Surprise, surprise -- lots of exchanges give you lots of shitty data. (This number is not accurate for BTS(X).) Probably not a scamcoin. It's possible that these coins are not complete scams / shit. They've been trading on an exchange for at least 200 days. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 btc 1,830 4,520,000 5
2 ltc 1,100 1,010,000 3
3 dvc 1,020 10.4 2
4 nmc 1,010 36,800 3
5 ppc 980 603 5
6 nvc 867 1,110 2
7 frc 819 0.506 3
8 ftc 815 257 4
9 trc 814 137 2
10 wdc 795 158 4
11 dgc 789 137 2
12 ixc 782 45.5 2
13 mec 763 957 4
14 anc 733 23,700 3
15 xpm 729 222 3
16 qrk 729 0.634 3
17 ifc 721 337 1
18 ybc 712 0 2
19 zet 690 0.303 4
20 nxt 603 6,380 4
21 pts 601 7.28 3
22 doge 583 89,900 4
23 vtc 535 510 3
24 max 532 538 3
25 xrp 524 10,700 5
26 dash 524 373,000 5
27 xcp 522 1,660 2
28 aur 519 268 4
29 myr 513 41.1 4
30 bc 510 14.7 6
31 mzc 504 123 2
32 pot 499 49,900 3
33 rdd 497 107 3
34 dgb 497 1,150 3
35 bits 459 73.5 2
36 vrc 440 794 4
37 cha 430 0 2
38 bcn 430 5,000 2
39 hyper 419 862 1
40 bbr 418 171 2
41 xmr 415 15,000 2
42 msc 387 36.2 2
43 bts 382 32,100 2
44 maid 380 8,420 1
45 xst 380 104 1
46 btcd 375 881 2
47 via 371 408 1
48 str 348 4,120 3
49 sjcx 339 362 1
50 pnd 334 0 3
51 ltcd 317 1.45 3
52 opal 316 92.8 4
53 nbt 304 6,600 3
54 unity 302 18.5 2
55 excl 299 11.8 2
56 fimk 294 8.38 1
57 nsr 276 558 3
58 util 273 0 2
59 vpn 250 498 2
60 xpy 221 526 3
61 blk 207 2,790 6
A bunch of new coins on the list. First time I did this, it was BTC plus 34 alts. Then, BTC plus 48 other coins. Now, BTC plus 60 coins. The more we do this, the more coins can pass the 200 day cutoff. I think I was pretty liberal with the 200 day cutoff. But, I figured, why not. Most of the coins near the bottom drop off in the next step anyway, so might as well show the data for them. Probably not a scamcoin and possibly not a waste of your time. In addition to trading for at least 200 days, these coins have a recent daily volume of at least $10k. coin age volume.usd n.exch
1 btc 1,830 4,520,000 5
2 ltc 1,100 1,010,000 3
3 dash 524 373,000 5
4 doge 583 89,900 4
5 pot 499 49,900 3
6 nmc 1,010 36,800 3
7 bts 382 32,100 2
8 anc 733 23,700 3
9 xmr 415 15,000 2
10 xrp 524 10,700 5
Only 10 coins. Ignore the rest, focus on these. I pull and merge data from lots of different exchanges. For a couple of coins (they didn't make the final list), I had to go to 6 different exchanges. Previous versions.* 2015-01-27: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927144.msg10803514#msg10803514* 2015-03-17: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927144.msg11953682#msg11953682 |
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