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January 17, 2015, 04:00:45 PM
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Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.


It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.
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January 17, 2015, 07:28:50 PM
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He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him Tongue

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Well, in 2013 one of his original accounts woke up to state that he wasn't Dorian Nakamoto.

It was not signed, so it was not him.

And I didn't say otherwise. Nevertheless he didn't sign every single message he ever posted.

Slightly off-topic, his GPG key.
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January 17, 2015, 08:34:16 PM
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Who the fuck cares wo he/them was /where. I just give a shit about it...
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January 17, 2015, 08:45:00 PM
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i wonder how satoshi plans to sell his btc.

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January 17, 2015, 10:03:41 PM
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Just watched minority-report (2002) again, the fake identity of Anderton is Yakamoto, might be the inspiration for Nakamoto

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January 17, 2015, 10:23:57 PM
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Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.


It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.

except he left well before that happened lol

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January 17, 2015, 10:35:37 PM
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It's the same as somebody inventing perpetual motion machine. The inventor would be killed by oil companies or either oil companies sharehoDlers. Somebody invented this kind of thing he better not to present it himself or be associated with it on any kind of way.

Or if somebody invented general theory of everything that might be the case too.

the first letters (crossed) of satoshi nakamoto form NSA so that might be the source or just missleading.

I wonder if breaking general relativity would offer different computational methods and aid to break sha256.

Every law of physics have been rewritten in the past, how would future be different.

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January 18, 2015, 12:41:41 AM
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Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.


It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.

except he left well before that happened lol
He left right around the time that gavin was going to meet with the CIA to discuss Bitcoin. He probably did not want this kind of attention from a government agency

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January 18, 2015, 07:39:22 AM
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Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.


It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.

except he left well before that happened lol
He left right around the time that gavin was going to meet with the CIA to discuss Bitcoin.

Exactly.
The main question is: Why he refused to spend any of his wealth after hiding, like he doesn't know to use a mixer?

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January 18, 2015, 07:52:32 AM
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I am sure this question keeps bugging lot of folks like me. My guesses

1 SN (I will use SN because I don't know if it is a he/she or they) foresaw what we have seen happening with BTC (and copies/improvements) in the last seven years and didn't want to be known as the originator of such a course of events

2 SN was a government agent; which government should be easy to guess. After finishing the mandate such a person/group will obviously need to stay away from claiming it.

Thanks for your wise inputs.

Only he/she knows. EVeryone else is just assuming.

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January 21, 2015, 01:10:34 AM
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Bitcoin and Satoshi is generated by AI Skynet.

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January 21, 2015, 01:12:55 AM
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he has a huge amount of bitcoins and he is the creator of a disruptive technology.

look what happened when people thought that dorian nakamoto was satoshi, it was really stressful situation for him
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January 21, 2015, 01:47:14 AM
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Bitcoin and Satoshi is generated by AI Skynet.

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1) Bitcoin is only general AI for now.

2) Smart contracts are single-minded even for (AI)'s; while some may have very advanced pattern recognition or legal thinking modules the "only" thing they care about is performing their contractual function. They might know major secrets, but if they are written to be quiet about them they will remain quiet no matter what.

3) It can reach the point where your own pc, house, car or phone might be hired by a contract to check certain information. A high tech "wire tap" investigation of sorts built into the agreement of the contract. This would occur when the contract has started to think one of the parts is doing advanced cheating that it cannot detect online.

4) With respect to strong AI, Nick Szabo(as you can read in his blogs) is very close to the problem, and that's the issue. Like any good engineer/scientist, he sees problems everywhere. Yes, there are many problems before we get to strong AI. That's not news. There were many problems to resolve before people could pay a small sum of money and let a giant metal tube take them through the air to a destination halfway round the world without killing them - but those problems got resolved, one by one. Many problems do not amount to an impossibility, only a damn hard problem (which we knew strong AI was anyway).

5) You do see a lot of it in books and movies, some very well thought. Referring back to Nicks blogs, his other assertion, that the concept of the singularity is a fantasy, Nick's main argument is that the singularity will only last "for a time", and that it will turn into a classic S-curve. He waves Feynman's name around as supporting evidence, but does not address the fact that intelligence (and artificial intelligence in particular) is not subject to the Malthusian laws which have caused other phenomena to follow S-curves. Yes, we only have access to so many particles, but the whole point of exponential AI is figuring out better ways to use the same number of particles. There may be a theoretical limit to how efficiently we can use those particles, but even so there are a lot of particles, and if we can manufacture even just human-equivalent computing matter in factories, that's already enough to achieve a singularity.

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6) Tim May quote: “Anyone contemplating building such a system, or entity, or cybercorporation, should think long and hard about the wisdom of ever having an identifiable nexus of attack. Money must be collected in untraceable ways. This is what I meant about it being time to rethink the theory of the corporation.”

"Where once a corporation existed to both protect the rights of shareholders (against lawsuits and partners having to pay for losses) and to enable the group participation of many workers, corporations for the things Cypherpunks think are interesting is just a bad idea. And given the growing trend toward trying to prosecute the V.P of Yahoo-Europe because some bit of Nazi history was sold to some German citizen, etc., corporations are becoming a liability in cyberspace”.

"The answer is to vanish into cyberspace. Not an easy task, maybe, given the state of today’s tools, but the long term trend".

7) Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.
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January 21, 2015, 03:01:51 AM
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January 21, 2015, 03:07:28 AM
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Cuz he'll get killed if show up.
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January 21, 2015, 03:41:21 AM
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I'd prefer not to ever know who started btc.  That way, I don't have anyone to blame.  Maybe that's why he's still anonymous.  In my opinion, this is how it should always be.  What if any major currency went belly up.  You'd have to point back hundreds of years to blame someone who's already dead.


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January 21, 2015, 09:40:37 AM
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Bitcoin and Satoshi is generated by AI Skynet.

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1) Bitcoin is only general AI for now.

2) Smart contracts are single-minded even for (AI)'s; while some may have very advanced pattern recognition or legal thinking modules the "only" thing they care about is performing their contractual function. They might know major secrets, but if they are written to be quiet about them they will remain quiet no matter what.

3) It can reach the point where your own pc, house, car or phone might be hired by a contract to check certain information. A high tech "wire tap" investigation of sorts built into the agreement of the contract. This would occur when the contract has started to think one of the parts is doing advanced cheating that it cannot detect online.

4) With respect to strong AI, Nick Szabo(as you can read in his blogs) is very close to the problem, and that's the issue. Like any good engineer/scientist, he sees problems everywhere. Yes, there are many problems before we get to strong AI. That's not news. There were many problems to resolve before people could pay a small sum of money and let a giant metal tube take them through the air to a destination halfway round the world without killing them - but those problems got resolved, one by one. Many problems do not amount to an impossibility, only a damn hard problem (which we knew strong AI was anyway).

5) You do see a lot of it in books and movies, some very well thought. Referring back to Nicks blogs, his other assertion, that the concept of the singularity is a fantasy, Nick's main argument is that the singularity will only last "for a time", and that it will turn into a classic S-curve. He waves Feynman's name around as supporting evidence, but does not address the fact that intelligence (and artificial intelligence in particular) is not subject to the Malthusian laws which have caused other phenomena to follow S-curves. Yes, we only have access to so many particles, but the whole point of exponential AI is figuring out better ways to use the same number of particles. There may be a theoretical limit to how efficiently we can use those particles, but even so there are a lot of particles, and if we can manufacture even just human-equivalent computing matter in factories, that's already enough to achieve a singularity.

(Satoshi)

6) Tim May quote: “Anyone contemplating building such a system, or entity, or cybercorporation, should think long and hard about the wisdom of ever having an identifiable nexus of attack. Money must be collected in untraceable ways. This is what I meant about it being time to rethink the theory of the corporation.”

"Where once a corporation existed to both protect the rights of shareholders (against lawsuits and partners having to pay for losses) and to enable the group participation of many workers, corporations for the things Cypherpunks think are interesting is just a bad idea. And given the growing trend toward trying to prosecute the V.P of Yahoo-Europe because some bit of Nazi history was sold to some German citizen, etc., corporations are becoming a liability in cyberspace”.

"The answer is to vanish into cyberspace. Not an easy task, maybe, given the state of today’s tools, but the long term trend".

7) Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.

... and 1 Mio Bitcoins will be untouched and nobody cares if they some day in the future will be used to crash the market in seconds or even for much more evil things. I guess the story will restart on that very day.

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January 21, 2015, 12:06:32 PM
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Just watched minority-report (2002) again, the fake identity of Anderton is Yakamoto, might be the inspiration for Nakamoto
In this post-privacy enviornment we are heading towards a minority report future, he would gain literally nothing by being famous, specially as the creator of Bitcoin.

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January 21, 2015, 12:22:52 PM
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as soon as there was an official public Bitcoin entity, namely the Bitcoin Foundation, they received a cease and desist letter from the agencies, ordered to stop the Bitcoin system (of course they couldn't)

go figure

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January 21, 2015, 12:32:13 PM
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Just watched minority-report (2002) again, the fake identity of Anderton is Yakamoto, might be the inspiration for Nakamoto
In this post-privacy enviornment we are heading towards a minority report future, he would gain literally nothing by being famous, specially as the creator of Bitcoin.

Literally the only reason to be famous is if you would benefit from it profesionally like being an actor or whatnot. Other than that, its better to be rich and anonymous and Satoshi knows this.

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