Why Satoshi Nakamoto Remains Anonymous

[stellar1]

I am sure this question keeps bugging lot of folks like me. My guesses

1 SN (I will use SN because I don't know if it is a he/she or they) foresaw what we have seen happening with BTC (and copies/improvements) in the last seven years and didn't want to be known as the originator of such a course of events

2 SN was a government agent; which government should be easy to guess. After finishing the mandate such a person/group will obviously need to stay away from claiming it.

Thanks for your wise inputs.

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[Q7]

Maybe he just wants to avoid all the attention. Or the accusation, whatever it is. Thus, I don't believe satoshi is gone forever. He might still be around working behind the scene, thinking on how to improve bitcoin.

[tokeweed]

SN is a group of people that started an experiment. they feared what the fed might do to them so they remained anonymous.

[Madness]

I guess he knew Bitcoin was gonna be Popular at the him Bitcoin was invented so he remained anonymous from the very beginning.
I heard somewhere that someone warned him  his Tor Ip was leaked and if satoshi didn't pay some bitcoins to the person, The Person was gonna sell his real ip in an Auction in the Dark Web! Some Possible Reasons For him to Be anonymous are:
1) Maybe He Isn't Alive!
2) Maybe He Doesn't want to Take Credits!
3) Maybe He is not a human (I don't mean he is a dog or a donkey..Maybe "Satoshi" the alien went to his own planet!)
 
I don't know about 1) and 2) But I think 3) is more scientific and True Lol

I disagree on some points there mate , I'am pretty sure that even Satoshi him self didn't knew that bitcoin will be popular at least not to that much . He probably got other reasons to stay annonymus one of them that he is dead maybe ... or he simply don't wanna get issues with goverment (accusations for silk road and other illegal stuff that is happening with Bitcoin) or he simply don't want to be famous ... I mean he already have his coins , I'am pretty sure he can spend them whenever he wants to 

[mkc]

I think he probably quite active in bitcoin community, with another name, or even maybe he is owner of this forum ...
see,
we all know him as (______), but secretly, he is actually SN

[arloseb]

Satoshi nakamoto is the dev of nakamotodark
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896354

[twister]

He stays anonymous because he wants to be safe from the government, terrorists and paparazzis.

[Sarthak]

Satoshi nakamoto is the dev of nakamotodark
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896354

Who told you so?

[QuestionAuthority]

3. He never existed in the first place. He was a necessary construct to add mystery and credence to the project. A project from a missing visionary is 100x more valuable than one from an available average Joe. The way to instantly discount someone's brillance is to let them open their mouth. He has no mouth to open. People spend their time deciphering the few writings we have from him like they were the Dead Sea scrolls. 

[twister]

3. He never existed in the first place. He was a necessary construct to add mystery and credence to the project. A project from a missing visionary is 100x more valuable than one from an available average Joe. The way to instantly discount someone's brillance is to let them open their mouth. He has no mouth to open. People spend their time deciphering the few writings we have from him like they were the Dead Sea scrolls. 

Wow, never thought of it this way but this might be the truth. Send people off to a wild goose chase like in that movie "usual suspects" where they kept looking for "Keyser Soze - the guy behind the guy behind the guy"

[stellar1]

3. He never existed in the first place. He was a necessary construct to add mystery and credence to the project. A project from a missing visionary is 100x more valuable than one from an available average Joe. The way to instantly discount someone's brillance is to let them open their mouth. He has no mouth to open. People spend their time deciphering the few writings we have from him like they were the Dead Sea scrolls. 

First thanks for adding a valuable guess.

Ref : A project from a missing visionary is 100x more valuable than one from an available average Joe. I am probably not capable of judging this. But it makes me wonder about the millions of patents and IP generating I can't estimate how much value....a trillion dollars maybe ?

[LiteCoinGuy]

because he is smart and would be dead today.

[AGD]

He is dead

[oyasumi]

Why not?
Is stellar1 your real name?
This is internet,keeping anonymous is most people's choice.

[haploid23]

Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.

[AGD]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

[stellar1]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Which validates that SN was a government agent. Secondly, which group is the single largest beneficiary of BTC through the past 6 or 7 years ?

[Lethn]

He did exactly the sort of thing I'd do if I ever discovered something as big as Bitcoin, release it open source across the net and get the fuck out of there, if he had kept working on the code, even working on it after releasing it, he'd immediately become a target, supposedly even Amir Taaki has been chased up by government recruiters before.

The people who make up shit about Satoshi either don't realise how serious an impact cryptocurrencies are going to have on finance and they don't appreciate the kind of enemies people who go up against the finance sector face.

[stellar1]

Absolutely agree with the impact altcoins already have had on the financial sector and how blockchain technology is further rewiring some financial tradeable products as I type.
 

[mewhoyou]

JE SUIS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO

We are what we make of BTC

sounds like some movie tagline ...

[newflesh]

Really doubt Satoshi was a government agent though he/she/they could have worked for a certain 3 letter agency. What would be the point of remaining anonymous if Bitcoin was sanctioned by the govmint?

[stellar1]

Anonymity removes the traceback > mandate completed!!

[tokeweed]

Satoshi nakamoto is the dev of nakamotodark
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=896354

Who told you so?

satoshi. go buy it.

[tokeweed]

Anonymity removes the traceback > mandate completed!!

 yes exactly.

[okae]

i think is obvious why he remains anonymous, , just think about it, you would like to be known if you were him? ofc no.

He did very well from my point of view, he bring us a really good idea and leave us to enjoy it, beleive me, to be satoshi is a big risk.

If everything goes well, we will see the real impact of cryptocurrencies soon, very very soon, and we will see how the finance world will  start to care ( more than now ) about this and after that just ask to yourselft if you would like to be known if you were him...

[AGD]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Which validates that SN was a government agent. Secondly, which group is the single largest beneficiary of BTC through the past 6 or 7 years ?

If the gov had access to 1 Mio Bitcoins they would have sold them a long time ago.

[turvarya]

From what I read about SN, he had some mental issues(like most geniuses) and couldn't really handle all the attention, he would get, if his true identity would be known.

[stellar1]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Which validates that SN was a government agent. Secondly, which group is the single largest beneficiary of BTC through the past 6 or 7 years ?

If the gov had access to 1 Mio Bitcoins they would have sold them a long time ago.

Possible the wallets known to belong to SN are kept unchanged to carry forward the mystery or truth; while so many others actually controlled by SN are emptied. One can also use the publicly known wallets as collateral.

[AGD]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Which validates that SN was a government agent. Secondly, which group is the single largest beneficiary of BTC through the past 6 or 7 years ?

If the gov had access to 1 Mio Bitcoins they would have sold them a long time ago.

Possible the wallets known to belong to SN are kept unchanged to carry forward the mystery or truth; while so many others actually controlled by SN are emptied. One can also use the publicly known wallets as collateral.

There is no proof, about other wallets belonging to SN which were moved after his disapearance, but there is this proof for 1/13 of the currently existing Bitcoins belonging to SN. 

[tokeweed]

i wonder how satoshi plans to sell his btc.

[Kluge]

Satoshi is a homosexual and was worried about Gawker releasing an article labeling Bitcoin as Faggotcoin. Gavin and Satoshi talked over the benefits and drawbacks of being open with the world's intelligence agencies and, in the end, Satoshi decided it was valuable to everyone to try maintaining a "clean image" for Bitcoin by having Gavin go to the CIA, but decided his involvement absolutely had to end, or else the CIA would have started threatening to release images of Satoshi in compromising positions to Gawker. Satoshi left the project a martyr but is definitely still alive, scraping by through extorting old-timers with assassination, bitter over the failure of Gavin's "Bitcoin orientation" for the CIA with regard to purifying Bitcoin's public image.

[QuestionAuthority]

Satoshi is a homosexual and was worried about Gawker releasing an article labeling Bitcoin as Faggotcoin. Gavin and Satoshi talked over the benefits and drawbacks of being open with the world's intelligence agencies and, in the end, Satoshi decided it was valuable to everyone to try maintaining a "clean image" for Bitcoin by having Gavin go to the CIA, but decided his involvement absolutely had to end, or else the CIA would have started threatening to release images of Satoshi in compromising positions to Gawker. Satoshi left the project a martyr but is definitely still alive, scraping by through extorting old-timers with assassination, bitter over the failure of Gavin's "Bitcoin orientation" for the CIA with regard to purifying Bitcoin's public image.

That has to be it. I'm so glad we finally resolved this once and for all. OP please lock this thread because there's nothing left to discuss. lol

[Flashman]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

I would theorise that maybe his "day job" was research funded by DARPA, maybe making 70-100K a year, while his bitcoins, if dumped, were not worth that then, nor were quite valuable enough to start living off, precarious position.

[redsn0w]

I don't think satoshi nakamoto is dead , I only know he doesn't want to be famous ... and maybe one day he will come back online here in the forum and will post something.

[rax]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Well, in 2013 one of his original accounts woke up to state that he wasn't Dorian Nakamoto.

[b-stock]

i wonder how satoshi plans to sell his btc.

by adopting marketing approach.

[Daniel91]

I don't think satoshi nakamoto is dead , I only know he doesn't want to be famous ... and maybe one day he will come back online here in the forum and will post something.

We don't know anything for sure.
We can't even be sure that satoshi nakamoto represent just one person, not the organization, that he is Japanese or whatever...
But, we can be sure that he is genius, with brilliant ideas and that he started something really revolutionary.
BTC have some difficulties right now but I'm sure that soon we will see that price raise again.
Why he choose to remain Anonymous?
I think he don't like publicity and don't want to deal with the press or government.

[AGD]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Well, in 2013 one of his original accounts woke up to state that he wasn't Dorian Nakamoto.

It was not signed, so it was not him.

[arsenalfun]

It doesn't matter 

[siameze]

Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.

It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

[stellar1]

Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.

It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.

[rax]

He is dead

You are speaking so confidently as if you killed him

I am in favour of the "He is dead theory", because he left when the CIA starts to get involved and he never spent one satoshi of his known wealth of 1 Mio Bitcoins after his dissapearing.

Well, in 2013 one of his original accounts woke up to state that he wasn't Dorian Nakamoto.

It was not signed, so it was not him.

And I didn't say otherwise. Nevertheless he didn't sign every single message he ever posted.

Slightly off-topic, his GPG key.

[minerman147]

Who the fuck cares wo he/them was /where. I just give a shit about it...

[cakebet]

i wonder how satoshi plans to sell his btc.

One Satoshi at a time

[johnyj]

Just watched minority-report (2002) again, the fake identity of Anderton is Yakamoto, might be the inspiration for Nakamoto

[defaced]

Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.

It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.

except he left well before that happened lol

[Totenkofen]

It's the same as somebody inventing perpetual motion machine. The inventor would be killed by oil companies or either oil companies sharehoDlers. Somebody invented this kind of thing he better not to present it himself or be associated with it on any kind of way.

Or if somebody invented general theory of everything that might be the case too.

the first letters (crossed) of satoshi nakamoto form NSA so that might be the source or just missleading.

I wonder if breaking general relativity would offer different computational methods and aid to break sha256.

Every law of physics have been rewritten in the past, how would future be different.

be prepared 

[Rum152]

Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.

It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.

except he left well before that happened lol

He left right around the time that gavin was going to meet with the CIA to discuss Bitcoin. He probably did not want this kind of attention from a government agency

[AGD]

Another one of these threads? Seriously if you were him, would you want all this unwanted attention? Sure you want have some fame, but you almost might get insta-murdered. Not everyone chases the fame.

It is obvious he committed suicide after seeing his brilliant code cloned into numerous altcoins used to perpetuate scams.

This seems more probable. Or he kind of foresaw what we have witnessed with BTC in last 6 years and having foreseen it, decided to avoid being called its originator. So anonymity.

except he left well before that happened lol

He left right around the time that gavin was going to meet with the CIA to discuss Bitcoin.

Exactly.
The main question is: Why he refused to spend any of his wealth after hiding, like he doesn't know to use a mixer?

[sgk]

I am sure this question keeps bugging lot of folks like me. My guesses

1 SN (I will use SN because I don't know if it is a he/she or they) foresaw what we have seen happening with BTC (and copies/improvements) in the last seven years and didn't want to be known as the originator of such a course of events

2 SN was a government agent; which government should be easy to guess. After finishing the mandate such a person/group will obviously need to stay away from claiming it.

Thanks for your wise inputs.

Only he/she knows. EVeryone else is just assuming.

[mewhoyou]

Bitcoin and Satoshi is generated by AI Skynet.

[ticoti]

he has a huge amount of bitcoins and he is the creator of a disruptive technology.

look what happened when people thought that dorian nakamoto was satoshi, it was really stressful situation for him

[S.Boxx]

Bitcoin and Satoshi is generated by AI Skynet.

(BitCoin)

1) Bitcoin is only general AI for now.

2) Smart contracts are single-minded even for (AI)'s; while some may have very advanced pattern recognition or legal thinking modules the "only" thing they care about is performing their contractual function. They might know major secrets, but if they are written to be quiet about them they will remain quiet no matter what.

3) It can reach the point where your own pc, house, car or phone might be hired by a contract to check certain information. A high tech "wire tap" investigation of sorts built into the agreement of the contract. This would occur when the contract has started to think one of the parts is doing advanced cheating that it cannot detect online.

4) With respect to strong AI, Nick Szabo(as you can read in his blogs) is very close to the problem, and that's the issue. Like any good engineer/scientist, he sees problems everywhere. Yes, there are many problems before we get to strong AI. That's not news. There were many problems to resolve before people could pay a small sum of money and let a giant metal tube take them through the air to a destination halfway round the world without killing them - but those problems got resolved, one by one. Many problems do not amount to an impossibility, only a damn hard problem (which we knew strong AI was anyway).

5) You do see a lot of it in books and movies, some very well thought. Referring back to Nicks blogs, his other assertion, that the concept of the singularity is a fantasy, Nick's main argument is that the singularity will only last "for a time", and that it will turn into a classic S-curve. He waves Feynman's name around as supporting evidence, but does not address the fact that intelligence (and artificial intelligence in particular) is not subject to the Malthusian laws which have caused other phenomena to follow S-curves. Yes, we only have access to so many particles, but the whole point of exponential AI is figuring out better ways to use the same number of particles. There may be a theoretical limit to how efficiently we can use those particles, but even so there are a lot of particles, and if we can manufacture even just human-equivalent computing matter in factories, that's already enough to achieve a singularity.

(Satoshi)

6) Tim May quote: “Anyone contemplating building such a system, or entity, or cybercorporation, should think long and hard about the wisdom of ever having an identifiable nexus of attack. Money must be collected in untraceable ways. This is what I meant about it being time to rethink the theory of the corporation.”

"Where once a corporation existed to both protect the rights of shareholders (against lawsuits and partners having to pay for losses) and to enable the group participation of many workers, corporations for the things Cypherpunks think are interesting is just a bad idea. And given the growing trend toward trying to prosecute the V.P of Yahoo-Europe because some bit of Nazi history was sold to some German citizen, etc., corporations are becoming a liability in cyberspace”.

"The answer is to vanish into cyberspace. Not an easy task, maybe, given the state of today’s tools, but the long term trend".

7) Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.

[Flashman]

Reasons for him to stay anon ...

http://www.businessinsider.com/people-are-mad-at-linus-torvalds-again-2015-1

[pornpony]

Cuz he'll get killed if show up.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/KSYDYr5eDadJsFGpORH9sQ2zrKd_aISNtqrC4vztXMVx-6OtOSrSHxXA9UIOxDzkUNVpIU0K_UACngxvt4_cd8jn6E3wUQx3VMmZmiXOCPmlqLBMR2IsYXlh?width=164

[grendel25]

I'd prefer not to ever know who started btc.  That way, I don't have anyone to blame.  Maybe that's why he's still anonymous.  In my opinion, this is how it should always be.  What if any major currency went belly up.  You'd have to point back hundreds of years to blame someone who's already dead.

[AGD]

Bitcoin and Satoshi is generated by AI Skynet.

(BitCoin)

1) Bitcoin is only general AI for now.

2) Smart contracts are single-minded even for (AI)'s; while some may have very advanced pattern recognition or legal thinking modules the "only" thing they care about is performing their contractual function. They might know major secrets, but if they are written to be quiet about them they will remain quiet no matter what.

3) It can reach the point where your own pc, house, car or phone might be hired by a contract to check certain information. A high tech "wire tap" investigation of sorts built into the agreement of the contract. This would occur when the contract has started to think one of the parts is doing advanced cheating that it cannot detect online.

4) With respect to strong AI, Nick Szabo(as you can read in his blogs) is very close to the problem, and that's the issue. Like any good engineer/scientist, he sees problems everywhere. Yes, there are many problems before we get to strong AI. That's not news. There were many problems to resolve before people could pay a small sum of money and let a giant metal tube take them through the air to a destination halfway round the world without killing them - but those problems got resolved, one by one. Many problems do not amount to an impossibility, only a damn hard problem (which we knew strong AI was anyway).

5) You do see a lot of it in books and movies, some very well thought. Referring back to Nicks blogs, his other assertion, that the concept of the singularity is a fantasy, Nick's main argument is that the singularity will only last "for a time", and that it will turn into a classic S-curve. He waves Feynman's name around as supporting evidence, but does not address the fact that intelligence (and artificial intelligence in particular) is not subject to the Malthusian laws which have caused other phenomena to follow S-curves. Yes, we only have access to so many particles, but the whole point of exponential AI is figuring out better ways to use the same number of particles. There may be a theoretical limit to how efficiently we can use those particles, but even so there are a lot of particles, and if we can manufacture even just human-equivalent computing matter in factories, that's already enough to achieve a singularity.

(Satoshi)

6) Tim May quote: “Anyone contemplating building such a system, or entity, or cybercorporation, should think long and hard about the wisdom of ever having an identifiable nexus of attack. Money must be collected in untraceable ways. This is what I meant about it being time to rethink the theory of the corporation.”

"Where once a corporation existed to both protect the rights of shareholders (against lawsuits and partners having to pay for losses) and to enable the group participation of many workers, corporations for the things Cypherpunks think are interesting is just a bad idea. And given the growing trend toward trying to prosecute the V.P of Yahoo-Europe because some bit of Nazi history was sold to some German citizen, etc., corporations are becoming a liability in cyberspace”.

"The answer is to vanish into cyberspace. Not an easy task, maybe, given the state of today’s tools, but the long term trend".

7) Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.

... and 1 Mio Bitcoins will be untouched and nobody cares if they some day in the future will be used to crash the market in seconds or even for much more evil things. I guess the story will restart on that very day.

[cellard]

Just watched minority-report (2002) again, the fake identity of Anderton is Yakamoto, might be the inspiration for Nakamoto

In this post-privacy enviornment we are heading towards a minority report future, he would gain literally nothing by being famous, specially as the creator of Bitcoin.

[herzmeister]

as soon as there was an official public Bitcoin entity, namely the Bitcoin Foundation, they received a cease and desist letter from the agencies, ordered to stop the Bitcoin system (of course they couldn't)

go figure

[AtheistAKASaneBrain]

Just watched minority-report (2002) again, the fake identity of Anderton is Yakamoto, might be the inspiration for Nakamoto

In this post-privacy enviornment we are heading towards a minority report future, he would gain literally nothing by being famous, specially as the creator of Bitcoin.

Literally the only reason to be famous is if you would benefit from it profesionally like being an actor or whatnot. Other than that, its better to be rich and anonymous and Satoshi knows this.

[gkv9]

Satoshi seems to have made this to bring anonymity to the world, and also, there may be threats for this to be taken down by Higher Authorities to him if they were knowing him, then it's just fine for everyone and especially, for him to remain anonymous only...
Who knows whether he's Satoshi only who made it or he just gave this name to himself?

[Billbags]

Bitcoin and Satoshi is generated by AI Skynet.

(BitCoin)

1) Bitcoin is only general AI for now.

2) Smart contracts are single-minded even for (AI)'s; while some may have very advanced pattern recognition or legal thinking modules the "only" thing they care about is performing their contractual function. They might know major secrets, but if they are written to be quiet about them they will remain quiet no matter what.

3) It can reach the point where your own pc, house, car or phone might be hired by a contract to check certain information. A high tech "wire tap" investigation of sorts built into the agreement of the contract. This would occur when the contract has started to think one of the parts is doing advanced cheating that it cannot detect online.

4) With respect to strong AI, Nick Szabo(as you can read in his blogs) is very close to the problem, and that's the issue. Like any good engineer/scientist, he sees problems everywhere. Yes, there are many problems before we get to strong AI. That's not news. There were many problems to resolve before people could pay a small sum of money and let a giant metal tube take them through the air to a destination halfway round the world without killing them - but those problems got resolved, one by one. Many problems do not amount to an impossibility, only a damn hard problem (which we knew strong AI was anyway).

5) You do see a lot of it in books and movies, some very well thought. Referring back to Nicks blogs, his other assertion, that the concept of the singularity is a fantasy, Nick's main argument is that the singularity will only last "for a time", and that it will turn into a classic S-curve. He waves Feynman's name around as supporting evidence, but does not address the fact that intelligence (and artificial intelligence in particular) is not subject to the Malthusian laws which have caused other phenomena to follow S-curves. Yes, we only have access to so many particles, but the whole point of exponential AI is figuring out better ways to use the same number of particles. There may be a theoretical limit to how efficiently we can use those particles, but even so there are a lot of particles, and if we can manufacture even just human-equivalent computing matter in factories, that's already enough to achieve a singularity.

(Satoshi)

6) Tim May quote: “Anyone contemplating building such a system, or entity, or cybercorporation, should think long and hard about the wisdom of ever having an identifiable nexus of attack. Money must be collected in untraceable ways. This is what I meant about it being time to rethink the theory of the corporation.”

"Where once a corporation existed to both protect the rights of shareholders (against lawsuits and partners having to pay for losses) and to enable the group participation of many workers, corporations for the things Cypherpunks think are interesting is just a bad idea. And given the growing trend toward trying to prosecute the V.P of Yahoo-Europe because some bit of Nazi history was sold to some German citizen, etc., corporations are becoming a liability in cyberspace”.

"The answer is to vanish into cyberspace. Not an easy task, maybe, given the state of today’s tools, but the long term trend".

7) Ray Dillenger (Bear) quote: “Look, (Satoshi) was a construction made explicitly for the purpose of launching Bitcoin……That purpose is fulfilled.  The person who created (Satoshi) has no further need for him.  Thus ends the story”.

... and 1 Mio Bitcoins will be untouched and nobody cares if they some day in the future will be used to crash the market in seconds or even for much more evil things. I guess the story will restart on that very day.

Judgement Day.......refers to the day that the artificial intelligence Skynet becomes self-aware and starts a nuclear strike on America, Russia, and other regions, killing three billion people.

Sarah Connor first learned about Judgment Day in 1984 from Kyle Reese, a soldier sent from the future to protect her from an assassination by a Terminator. The exact date has changed due to terminators being sent back in time on several occations.

[S.Boxx]

Any arguments that "it's impossible to build such a device" are refuted by our very existence.

Today Bitcoin is "unaware" but everything is being put in place for the next step in the plan "Bitcoin 2.0" with Smart Contracts.

Bitcoin already has become an autonomous agent which utilizes humans to build itself and issues autonomous payments for improvement work done.

Read these two links. This is where the planning of Bitcoin AI started:

Tim May email: (Crypto + Economics + AI = Digital Money Economies)
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg00964.html

Nick Szabo reply:
http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1995/09/msg01303.html

The next phase of enlightenment:

Smart contracts are contracts that are not just legal documents but actually active AI code. In the beginning smart contracts are just computer programs that facilitate, verify or enforce the performance of a contract. A simple example would be “digital repo”, where access to certain information or a machine would be granted or not depending on whether one party had paid the other. More advanced digital repo contracts can recognize if the seller went absent or bankrupt, and then allow access with no constraints. Over time the intelligence could increase, allowing contracts to actually gather information, check that they are obeyed and even take action.

http://firstmonday.org/ojs/index.php/fm/article/view/548/469

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=502359.0

When based on the same evidence, the predictions of AI "statistical prediction rules" are as reliable as, and are typically more reliable than, the predictions of human experts for problems of social prediction.

Disclaimer: (AI) does not always mean (Singularity).
http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2011/01/singularity.html?m=1

[ipoop2much]

@ S.Boxx

You forgot #8 on your list......

8. Nick Szabo likes his privacy........ although he IS the guy in the far right hand side of this picture linked below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890233.msg10025492#msg10025492

[Billbags]

Who the fuck cares wo he/them was /where. I just give a shit about it...

"He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past."

That quote is not just from an X-Man movie.....

Its from a dystopian novel Titled "1984" by George Orwell published in 1949.

The statement is saying that history is written by the victors. Basically, we are taught by powers of the present how to view the past, and our views of the past affect how we endeavor to build the future.

It is the victor who writes the history books, controls the press, frames your point of view and offers things to you that you do not need or want.

So with the "who the fuck cares" attitude we give the victor of the present total control of all messages from the past which will influence the people to build the future of the victors desire..... instead of one with freedom, equality and safety that we all deserve and could strive to achieve through unaltered history and knowledge.

The Concept of Bitcoin:

The Internet and Bitcoin were created to allow people to solve social problems in a novel way: Instead of the ancient formula of “the strongest wins and then beats the crap out of the loser” we all can achieve a peaceful society where both rich and poor, strong and weak can protect their property and freedom on more equal grounds without relying on violent institutions like governments.

[Billbags]

Why would this guy NOT want to be anonymous?
There are alot more reasons why it's in his best interest to stay unknown then for him to some known figure.

He will remain anonymous. It was designed that way a long time ago. Read #6 & #7 from the S.Boxx post above.....it's just when you research where he could have came from, you find the hidden information that really explains The Bitcoin Revolution.........

Those that are familiar with Satoshi’s work already know Bitcoin was not a whim. It was decades of contemplation, study and waiting on the advancements of systems needed for modern implementation. Satoshi could foresee future technology and change occurring in the world because of the solution he knew existed (HyperMoney), and because he could see so far into our past. Satoshi seems to have surpassed Adam Smith by learning much more from the history of the Indians than anyone could have known.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Smith.html
http://www.adamsmith.org/research/reports/cryptocurrency-gets-real/
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

Take into account the level of genius thinking and preparation that was involved in creating and launching Bitcoin anonymously. No one will ever find any solid proof to reveal Sotoshi Nakamoto's true name. He designed it that way........

Remember, Bitcoin is an example of equilibrium game theory that has been rethought to include a slight deviation for it to work. Assume that every aspect about Bitcoin was very well thought out from the very beginning and that is what allows Satoshi to always stay several steps ahead of us and them.

[AGD]

Why would this guy NOT want to be anonymous?
There are alot more reasons why it's in his best interest to stay unknown then for him to some known figure.

He will remain anonymous. It was designed that way a long time ago. Read #6 & #7 from the S.Boxx post above.....it's just when you research where he could have came from, you find the hidden information that really explains The Bitcoin Revolution.........

Those that are familiar with Satoshi’s work already know Bitcoin was not a whim. It was decades of contemplation, study and waiting on the advancements of systems needed for modern implementation. Satoshi could foresee future technology and change occurring in the world because of the solution he knew existed (HyperMoney), and because he could see so far into our past. Satoshi seems to have surpassed Adam Smith by learning much more from the history of the Indians than anyone could have known.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/bios/Smith.html
http://www.adamsmith.org/research/reports/cryptocurrency-gets-real/
http://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

Take into account the level of genius thinking and preparation that was involved in creating and launching Bitcoin anonymously. No one will ever find any solid proof to reveal Sotoshi Nakamoto's true name. He designed it that way........

Remember, Bitcoin is an example of equilibrium game theory that has been rethought to include a slight deviation for it to work. Assume that every aspect about Bitcoin was very well thought out from the very beginning and that is what allows Satoshi to always stay several steps ahead of us and them.

If this is true and he is still alive, it would be interesting to know, why he is sitting on 1 Mio. BTC like Uncle $crooge. He wants to rule the world, when a BTC is 100000$ or maybe he want's to avoid someone else having more coins in the future than himself?
Any plausible cause anyone?

[cheekychap]

I am sure this question keeps bugging lot of folks like me. My guesses

1 SN (I will use SN because I don't know if it is a he/she or they) foresaw what we have seen happening with BTC (and copies/improvements) in the last seven years and didn't want to be known as the originator of such a course of events

2 SN was a government agent; which government should be easy to guess. After finishing the mandate such a person/group will obviously need to stay away from claiming it.

Thanks for your wise inputs.

The recent case with Aaron Swartz shows how he could have got into shit load of trouble if he hadn't remained anonymous. The Government would have files stupid cases against him.
Probably he foresaw something like this.

[HarmonLi]

I am sure this question keeps bugging lot of folks like me. My guesses

1 SN (I will use SN because I don't know if it is a he/she or they) foresaw what we have seen happening with BTC (and copies/improvements) in the last seven years and didn't want to be known as the originator of such a course of events

2 SN was a government agent; which government should be easy to guess. After finishing the mandate such a person/group will obviously need to stay away from claiming it.

Thanks for your wise inputs.

The recent case with Aaron Swartz shows how he could have got into shit load of trouble if he hadn't remained anonymous. The Government would have files stupid cases against him.
Probably he foresaw something like this.

Yeah, he's just the biggest single entity there is when it comes to Bitcoin. People could even just decide to believe he's still in possession of his old private keys to the first coins and try to threaten him. It's better to remain anonymous, I believe!

[cheekychap]

I am sure this question keeps bugging lot of folks like me. My guesses

1 SN (I will use SN because I don't know if it is a he/she or they) foresaw what we have seen happening with BTC (and copies/improvements) in the last seven years and didn't want to be known as the originator of such a course of events

2 SN was a government agent; which government should be easy to guess. After finishing the mandate such a person/group will obviously need to stay away from claiming it.

Thanks for your wise inputs.

The recent case with Aaron Swartz shows how he could have got into shit load of trouble if he hadn't remained anonymous. The Government would have files stupid cases against him.
Probably he foresaw something like this.

Yeah, he's just the biggest single entity there is when it comes to Bitcoin. People could even just decide to believe he's still in possession of his old private keys to the first coins and try to threaten him. It's better to remain anonymous, I believe!

I see a lot of people complaining about him still having private keys with over a million coins, but he hasn't actually ever used them. If you wanted to be a billionaire, he could have sold them at over 1000$(ofcourse which would have driven the pricer back to less than 100,but could have been done slowly.) But he didn't, and I don't see why they would threaten him.

[minerpumpkin]

Yeah, he should remain anonymous. I think the whole idea of him creating a decentralized system requiring no trust is very important for him. That's also why he gradually withdrew from mining. He sort of gave his project in the hands of the whole world. He didn't want to be a single authority.

[PaulPierce]

I guess he knew Bitcoin was gonna be Popular at the him Bitcoin was invented so he remained anonymous from the very beginning.
I heard somewhere that someone warned him  his Tor Ip was leaked and if satoshi didn't pay some bitcoins to the person, The Person was gonna sell his real ip in an Auction in the Dark Web! Some Possible Reasons For him to Be anonymous are:
1) Maybe He Isn't Alive!
2) Maybe He Doesn't want to Take Credits!
3) Maybe He is not a human (I don't mean he is a dog or a donkey..Maybe "Satoshi" the alien went to his own planet!)
 
I don't know about 1) and 2) But I think 3) is more scientific and True Lol

I think 2nd is most sensible at this point of time.!

[jaberwock]

why carry the burden of fame when you can remain anonymous and get only the benefits of it without the bad side?

[cheekychap]

why carry the burden of fame when you can remain anonymous and get only the benefits of it without the bad side?

The fame part is not always a burden. Specially not when you are something like a great scholar.

[oblivi]

why carry the burden of fame when you can remain anonymous and get only the benefits of it without the bad side?

The fame part is not always a burden. Specially not when you are something like a great scholar.

I dont see how you need recognition when you are a great scholar.
Unless you want to be a movie star like Tom Cruise, fame is not needed.

[therealwatcher]

I think the NSA created Bitcoin in order to create a more complicated playing field that they can ask for more funding to Control.

[el kaka22]

i do not know what kind SN
i did not know he was alive or not
i am not sure whether real or fake names SN
i actually do not really care; D
the important thing is I am grateful for bitcoin
and yahhh only that, thanks for bitcoin

[KonstantinosM]

It's easy to track him down.

We have a lot of what he has written, so we analyze it and find matches.

We may even find out that he is many people.

I will respect his wish for anonymity.



Perhaps he remains anonymous because he doesn't want his life to change.

[el kaka22]

It's easy to track him down.

We have a lot of what he has written, so we analyze it and find matches.

We may even find out that he is many people.

I will respect his wish for anonymity.



Perhaps he remains anonymous because he doesn't want his life to change.

its probably yes
i think he's the type of person who likes to be behind the screen

[therealwatcher]

It's easy to track him down.

We have a lot of what he has written, so we analyze it and find matches.

We may even find out that he is many people.

I will respect his wish for anonymity.



Perhaps he remains anonymous because he doesn't want his life to change.

It might also be that it's illegal to create new currencies in most countries. And that such a fortune in bitcoins would be a constant target.

[AGD]

If SN was alive, I am pretty scared about the financial power he already has. He can destroy many lives with just a few mouseclicks and nobody will ever know the real person behind it. Imagine, when the price climbs to 10000$, he has 10 Bio USD. That money already buys an entire country like Liechtenstein. Imagine ISIS were in possesion of that amount? Do we know that Satoshi didn't convert and is planning something evil?

[Daniel91]

I think that SN have very good reasons to remain Anonymous.
First, if bitcoin community will know his true identity, probably thousands people will try to reach him, ask for help, support etc.
Second, government agencies like IRS may become interested in his income, if he report and paid taxes...
Third, he now have freedom to do whatever he want, spend time with family, enjoy life, travel around the world...
I really ca<n understand why he choose this path.

[oblivi]

If SN was alive, I am pretty scared about the financial power he already has. He can destroy many lives with just a few mouseclicks and nobody will ever know the real person behind it. Imagine, when the price climbs to 10000$, he has 10 Bio USD. That money already buys an entire country like Liechtenstein. Imagine ISIS were in possesion of that amount? Do we know that Satoshi didn't convert and is planning something evil?

When Bitcoin goes 10K, I dont think the purchasing power of the dollar will be exactly the same as it is now, so these 10 billion USD may not be worth the current 10 billion. The question is, what is the purchasing power of 1 BTC if the USD goes to shit?

[AGD]

If SN was alive, I am pretty scared about the financial power he already has. He can destroy many lives with just a few mouseclicks and nobody will ever know the real person behind it. Imagine, when the price climbs to 10000$, he has 10 Bio USD. That money already buys an entire country like Liechtenstein. Imagine ISIS were in possesion of that amount? Do we know that Satoshi didn't convert and is planning something evil?

When Bitcoin goes 10K, I dont think the purchasing power of the dollar will be exactly the same as it is now, so these 10 billion USD may not be worth the current 10 billion. The question is, what is the purchasing power of 1 BTC if the USD goes to shit?

When BTC was 1200$ it had almost the same purchasing power as it has now. There is no need for the $ to fail for Bitcoin to raise in price.

[hikedoon]

                                           
Satoshi was walking in Bitcoinland one day when he spotted 12 Bitcoiners fishing.
As he was watching,1 of the Bitcoiners said "Let's make sure were all here,it would be a terrible shame if 1 of us has drowned!There was 12 of us left to go fishing so i'll count to make sure were all still here."So he points at them and starts counting " 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11? Oh no,1 of us has drowned,OH, NO!".
 Then another of the Bitcoiners starts counting"1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11!  Oh no 1 of us has drowned right enough"
 Soon all the Bitcoiners have counted the same way and ALL come to 11.
                                They were making a terrible noise wailing and whining.
  All the while Satoshi is watching and shaking his head in disgust at the stupidity of the Bitcoiners.Every 1 of them had forgotten to count themselves.
     So Satoshi walks down to them and asks "what's the problem Bitcoiners?Why are you making such a noise with your awful whining?"
    Oh sir they say" 12 of us went fishing,but we all count 11 of us now,1 of us must be drowned. So were wailing and whining as loud as we can,could you help us please?"
    So Satoshi say's "I'll help you.Walk past me 1 at a time."
    As Each Bitcoiner walked by Satoshi he slapped each 1 in the face."1" slap,"2" slap,"3" slap......He slapped and numbered all 12 of them.
    When he slapped the 12th Bitcoiner they all started cheering and thanking Satoshi furiously for saving 1 of them from drowning.
    "will you come to our homes and let us thank you for saving us" said the Bitcoiners.
                                           "No" said Satoshi.
 "i'm leaving Bitcoinland and i won't be back till i find 12 people in the world that are stupider than you"
 
     

[Billbags]

This video is kind of funny because as Gavin is explaining what really happened with Satoshi, there is a guy(Legendary Member) in full conspiracy mode talking right over what Gavins trying to tell us. This may be the point that Gavin and Satoshi decided to let the stories run wild, because this video shows the conspiracy theories are more fascinating than the truth that Gavin was trying to let us know.

Start @01:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDRwgbWkxFw

[Bit_Happy]

He doesn't want his life to be in danger. Also, the fact that "Satoshi" controls addresses for over 1 million BTC is an unresolved issue that could greatly damage Bitcoin in the future.

[Billbags]

i do not know what kind SN
i did not know he was alive or not
i am not sure whether real or fake names SN
i actually do not really care; D
the important thing is I am grateful for bitcoin
and yahhh only that, thanks for bitcoin

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927452.msg10232241#msg10232241

[wadili89]

probabely he dont want to get involved in goverment investigations and he want his family to be safe from kidnappers and terrorists

[oblivi]

probabely he dont want to get involved in goverment investigations and he want his family to be safe from kidnappers and terrorists

For some reason I dont see Satoshi as a classic family guy... guy's probably a lone wolf that enjoys being lonely investing amazing techy things.

[fatguyyyyy]

if you were worth $500 mil in untraceable currency would you tell anyone about it? no .. fucking .. way

[wadili89]

It's easy to track him down.

We have a lot of what he has written, so we analyze it and find matches.

We may even find out that he is many people.

I will respect his wish for anonymity.



Perhaps he remains anonymous because he doesn't want his life to change.

NO , you never know what he wrote was represent him in any way , i think he had this in mind from day 1 that one day he will hide himself

[Eastfist]

Maybe it was a high school assignment and he had to write it with a pseudonym. Doesn't mean he wants to be anonymous.

[AGD]

if you were worth $500 mil in untraceable currency would you tell anyone about it? no .. fucking .. way

Many people actually do that, when they made big money on a legal way.
Also it makes no sense to hide because of the money you have, when you don't even spend something of it - if it was as "untracable" as you imply.
Why not officially burning 1 Mio BTC then for the peace of mind?

[nikona]

probabely he dont want to get involved in goverment investigations and he want his family to be safe from kidnappers and terrorists

Probably yeah..that could be the case..!

[botany]

He doesn't want his life to be in danger. Also, the fact that "Satoshi" controls addresses for over 1 million BTC is an unresolved issue that could greatly damage Bitcoin in the future.

The day he decides to spend his BTC, his anonymity would come to an end. 

[BillyBobZorton]

Maybe it was a high school assignment and he had to write it with a pseudonym. Doesn't mean he wants to be anonymous.

You mean he created the entire Bitcoin protocol for a high school assignment and used a pseudonim to release it? lol, good one

[Eastfist]

Maybe it was a high school assignment and he had to write it with a pseudonym. Doesn't mean he wants to be anonymous.

You mean he created the entire Bitcoin protocol for a high school assignment and used a pseudonim to release it? lol, good one

Creating a pseudonym was part of the assignment. "Nick Szabo" and "Wei Dai" are also pseudonyms of his classmates. As far as it being "released", that was never his intention.

[polarhei]

It can be real name or acronym.

Perhaps it's a real name, there are at least 30 combinations based on Japanese while the surname is only one.

Perhaps it's an acronym of Samsung,Toshiba,Nakamichi and Motorola ,one of their secret projects due to the nature.

Nakamichi in company's detail, known as making high-quality CD players. However CD players can turn into an security system with properly modified.

while the remaining three, may be one of their divisions.

Motorola is good at mobility, also security is considered.
Toshiba and Samsung are good at storage.
Nakamichi is good at designing DSP.

With the view above, I am asking why it is very familiar with my study? Why the eagle allow this?

Perhaps the being fulfills the fast preparation with strong security.

[koelen3]

I don't know why! but who cares, he gave us THE BITCOIN and if he decides to not show himself , let it be!
It's his decision , i could care less