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January 26, 2015, 02:48:49 PM
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This is probably the announcement:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/first-u-s-bitcoin-exchange-set-to-open-1422221641


By GREG BENSINGER
Jan. 25, 2015 4:34 p.m. ET
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The virtual currency bitcoin is getting a very real boost on Monday, with the opening of the first licensed U.S. exchange.

Coinbase Inc., a startup backed by $106 million from the New York Stock Exchange, banks and venture-capital firms, said its exchange will offer greater security for individuals and institutions to trade bitcoin and monitor real-time pricing of the cryptocurrency.

The exchange could bring needed legitimacy to the currency, which isn’t backed by a central government and is traded over virtual exchanges, primarily overseas. Coinbase said it has insurance, offering traders some assurance that their money won’t disappear.

Bitcoin enthusiasts have been buffeted by the collapse of Japan-based exchange Mt. Gox last year—taking with it around half a billion dollars of investors’ money—and a security breach earlier this month at Slovenia-based exchange Bitstamp. The value of a bitcoin itself, determined by trading on existing exchanges, has fallen to about $240, from a peak in late 2013 of more than $1,200.

“To have an organized exchange that has the backing of thoughtful venture capitalists and investors addresses one of the main problems with bitcoin: its extreme volatility,” said Campbell R. Harvey, a Duke University finance professor who has studied cryptocurrencies. “Bitcoin has been sorely in need of something like this.”

Coinbase’s founders say they have been working for five months to win licenses from state financial regulators. They have regulatory approval in half of U.S. states, including large population centers like New York and California. For now, Coinbase can do business with account holders only in states where it has approval.

Coinbase will take a small percentage—likely less than 1%—of most transactions, said Fred Ehrsam, 26 years old, a co-founder. The exchange will initially be limited to users in the U.S., but Chief Executive Brian Armstrong, 32, said he plans to expand overseas.

Mr. Armstrong said he expected to attract both individuals and businesses looking to trade bitcoin. “Our goal is to become the world’s largest exchange,” he said.

Others are looking to open U.S.-based bitcoin exchanges, including Tyler and Cameron Winklevoss, the twin brothers known for their early feuds with Facebook Inc. founder Mark Zuckerberg .

Financial regulators, including the U.S. Federal Reserve, have been scrutinizing bitcoin recently. Benjamin Lawsky , the superintendent of the New York State Department of Financial Services, is working on a so-called BitLicense for firms looking to offer digital-currency services in the state; Coinbase is operating under earlier regulations. Mr. Lawsky’s plan is seen as a template for legislation in other jurisdictions, and it may give outsiders more confidence in the currency.

Bitcoins are created using high-powered computers that “mine” for the currency by solving complex mathematical equations. They are exchanged digitally either for currency, or goods and services. Ownership and transactions are recorded, anonymously, in a so-called blockchain, which backers say reduces the risk of fraud.

Bitcoin grew to prominence in recent years in part because of the ease with which it can be transferred.

Coindesk, which tracks the price of bitcoins, says 82,000 businesses accept the currency, double that of a year earlier, including e-commerce site Overstock.com Inc. and Expedia Inc., as well as many small retailers. The value of all bitcoin is $3.2 billion, according to Coindesk’s price index.

The NYSE invested in Coinbase during a $75 million round of fundraising that closed this month. Other investors include USAA Bank, the venture arm of Spain’s Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA, former Citigroup Inc. CEO Vikram Pandit and former Thomson Reuters Corp. CEO Tom Glocer. Venture backers include Draper Fisher Jurvetson, Andreessen Horowitz and Union Square Ventures.

The NYSE’s investment was intended in part to “keep an eye on bitcoin as it matures as a legitimate currency,” President Tom Farley said. “Any currency relies on its acceptance.” The Coinbase exchange “is an important step for the currency to become socially acceptable.”

Coinbase counts about 2.2 million consumer wallets and nearly 40,000 merchants that use its services. The company has about 75 employees and plans to operate in 30 countries by year-end, up from 19 today.

I have been following this for months, if you look at the players and think about what and how they do things USAA Bank Citigroup ect ect and look at how Coinbase operates... you can pretty well kiss annonymity good bye if you use these services its a trade off and totally your decision.

Just the first step for centralization and "regulation" of Bitcoin, although not total regulation and centralization... YET.

This is what I worry about. I have been a long time Coinbase customer since its beginnings and over the years I have seen them slowly integrate more and more tracking with regards to tying your customer profile to addresses you send coins to or asking you about who you are transferring coins.

I suppose, the tax man wants his cut too, but the anonymity of olden days helped build trust between individuals. Regulation should never be a substitute for trust and that is what we have today in the banking world. We (as customers/users) pay companies and banks for "trust" and in return we get secure transactions. In return for giving "trust," banks and companies get unprecedented access and control over its customer base.

Its a done deal... if you know where to look and who is saying what, they are telegraphing the play. The thing is you have to be smart enough to read between the lines.

For instance "Fortune Magazine" is front running things.. as odd as that may seem. I will give you an example of what is really being said.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/22/qa-gavin-andresen-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=bitcoinweekly&utm_medium=email

In the last year, the regulation picture has gotten a lot clearer in the U.S. and most of Europe. And that’s fantastic. I think that’s why you’re seeing companies like Microsoft and Dell accepting Bitcoins. If people pay you in Bitcoins for products and services, it’s clearer now what taxes you owe, how you treat Bitcoins, and so on. In other parts of the world it’s still fuzzy. If I was living in a country where the regulators hadn’t said one way or another how these newfangled cryptocurrencies should be treated, I’d be more worried.

Like I said its a trade off.... Buy BTC on credit cards?Huh Ummmm you mean like a Citibank CC? We all know how much annonymity that will get someone LOLz
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January 26, 2015, 03:01:42 PM
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Its a done deal... if you know where to look and who is saying what, they are telegraphing the play. The thing is you have to be smart enough to read between the lines.

For instance "Fortune Magazine" is front running things.. as odd as that may seem. I will give you an example of what is really being said.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/22/qa-gavin-andresen-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=bitcoinweekly&utm_medium=email

In the last year, the regulation picture has gotten a lot clearer in the U.S. and most of Europe. And that’s fantastic. I think that’s why you’re seeing companies like Microsoft and Dell accepting Bitcoins. If people pay you in Bitcoins for products and services, it’s clearer now what taxes you owe, how you treat Bitcoins, and so on. In other parts of the world it’s still fuzzy. If I was living in a country where the regulators hadn’t said one way or another how these newfangled cryptocurrencies should be treated, I’d be more worried.

Like I said its a trade off.... Buy BTC on credit cards?Huh Ummmm you mean like a Citibank CC? We all know how much annonymity that will get someone LOLz

Yes sir. BTC with credit cards is a genius idea for creditors. What better way to lock customers into debt? You have existing fiat debt and new forms of credit/debt on the digital level. Best part is a lot of these companies are investing in the platforms surrounding derivatives (Citigroup, NYSE). Now they can trade BTC debt and gamble it in a semi-regulated exchange (to which they are investors of) to increase profits even more. I just wish I had millions to invest.

I almost see BTC as a way for companies/governments/world to shed their fiat debts in exchange for a new era of digital debts and commerce. It's like starting over version 2.0. New digital credit backed from fiat capital being spent to finance this digital currency foray. Use debt to create a new economy out of nothing backed by nothing (QE).
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January 26, 2015, 03:10:52 PM
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Its a done deal... if you know where to look and who is saying what, they are telegraphing the play. The thing is you have to be smart enough to read between the lines.

For instance "Fortune Magazine" is front running things.. as odd as that may seem. I will give you an example of what is really being said.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/22/qa-gavin-andresen-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=bitcoinweekly&utm_medium=email

In the last year, the regulation picture has gotten a lot clearer in the U.S. and most of Europe. And that’s fantastic. I think that’s why you’re seeing companies like Microsoft and Dell accepting Bitcoins. If people pay you in Bitcoins for products and services, it’s clearer now what taxes you owe, how you treat Bitcoins, and so on. In other parts of the world it’s still fuzzy. If I was living in a country where the regulators hadn’t said one way or another how these newfangled cryptocurrencies should be treated, I’d be more worried.

Like I said its a trade off.... Buy BTC on credit cards?Huh Ummmm you mean like a Citibank CC? We all know how much annonymity that will get someone LOLz

Yes sir. BTC with credit cards is a genius idea for creditors. What better way to lock customers into debt? You have existing fiat debt and new forms of credit/debt on the digital level. Best part is a lot of these companies are investing in the platforms surrounding derivatives (Citigroup, NYSE). Now they can trade BTC debt and gamble it in a semi-regulated exchange (to which they are investors of) to increase profits even more. I just wish I had millions to invest.

Smart man! Now you see what is being said to those that know how to get to the bottom of the Male Bovine Fecal pile... keep your eyes on the "leaders and devs" of BTC

BTW I do not want to go too deep into the "Hows and whats" But lets say if CB allows certain government agencies to spike the blockchain with a passive "Man in the Middle" MITM, MitM, MIM, MiM or MITMA on the "transaction" the end result is a done deal, kinda like the hackers do now... I am sure the "certain" governmental agencies will allow the sky to open up and rain gold on them.... meanwhile their customers are getting audit notices in the mail.

Ok I am done with my FUD rant/speculation/hysteria or whatever else you want to call it....
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January 26, 2015, 03:16:28 PM
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Its a done deal... if you know where to look and who is saying what, they are telegraphing the play. The thing is you have to be smart enough to read between the lines.

For instance "Fortune Magazine" is front running things.. as odd as that may seem. I will give you an example of what is really being said.

http://fortune.com/2015/01/22/qa-gavin-andresen-bitcoin-foundation/?utm_source=bitcoinweekly&utm_medium=email

In the last year, the regulation picture has gotten a lot clearer in the U.S. and most of Europe. And that’s fantastic. I think that’s why you’re seeing companies like Microsoft and Dell accepting Bitcoins. If people pay you in Bitcoins for products and services, it’s clearer now what taxes you owe, how you treat Bitcoins, and so on. In other parts of the world it’s still fuzzy. If I was living in a country where the regulators hadn’t said one way or another how these newfangled cryptocurrencies should be treated, I’d be more worried.

Like I said its a trade off.... Buy BTC on credit cards?Huh Ummmm you mean like a Citibank CC? We all know how much annonymity that will get someone LOLz

Yes sir. BTC with credit cards is a genius idea for creditors. What better way to lock customers into debt? You have existing fiat debt and new forms of credit/debt on the digital level. Best part is a lot of these companies are investing in the platforms surrounding derivatives (Citigroup, NYSE). Now they can trade BTC debt and gamble it in a semi-regulated exchange (to which they are investors of) to increase profits even more. I just wish I had millions to invest.

Smart man! Now you see what is being said to those that know how to get to the bottom of the Male Bovine Fecal pile... keep your eyes on the "leaders and devs" of BTC

BTW I do not want to go too deep into the "Hows and whats" But lets say if CB allows certain government agencies to spike the blockchain with a passive "Man in the Middle" MITM, MitM, MIM, MiM or MITMA on the "transaction" the end result is a done deal, kinda like the hackers do now... I am sure the "certain" governmental agencies will allow the sky to open up and rain gold on them.... meanwhile their customers are getting audit notices in the mail.

Ok I am done with my FUD rant/speculation/hysteria or whatever else you want to call it....

Haha, true that. It's good to see a few others (besides myself) in this forum with their heads/minds free of delusions of grandeur.
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