Vaccines vs Bitcoin

[Whtwabbit]

If the pro-vaccinators wish the anti-vaxxors to take the vaccines to keep the herd safe from disease (herd theory)
Do Bitcoiners have the same argument - everybody should use Bitcoin to keep (the herds money) safe.

What I mean is, do Bitcoiners have the right to abuse non-Bitcoiners because of their choice of money?

(of course I would never do it)

[NeuroticFish]

Abusing anyone for any reason is not nice and not OK. But there's freedom of speech and some think that it give them the right to do so...


...and there's the freedom of choice. For vaccines, for currency....

[coinz19]

Once again it wouldn't be the Bitcoiners themselves who would punish non-Bitcoin users.

It would be the regulations or lack of, which could allow Bitcoiners to punish non-Bitcoin users.

[Lethn]

To ignore hard mathematics in my opinion is the very definition of stupid, the same goes for science, we all know vaccinations actually help people and immunise them so as I've said the people who are going against this stuff are taking pride in being complete morons.

It would be the regulations or lack of, which could allow Bitcoiners to punish non-Bitcoin users.

And where did you pull this blatant assumption out of? Your arse? Also I don't think anyone has a right to abuse anybody, doesn't mean I won't say they're stupid for not at least putting a percentage of their income into Bitcoin though to protect themselves.

[Whtwabbit]

Relying on mathematics works for both sides of the argument eg. % of side effects, ( if you believe the statistics are accurate)

"Look at all those stupid people not supporting Bitcoin, they are morons for not knowing the money system is a fraud"

[Possum577]

i don't think the vaccine analogy applies to bitcoin. My neighbors use of bitcoin doesn't ensure my safety with bitcoin nor prevent against my harm using bitcoin.

Make sure you get your vaccine...

[koshgel]

If the pro-vaccinators wish the anti-vaxxors to take the vaccines to keep the herd safe from disease (herd theory)
Do Bitcoiners have the same argument - everybody should use Bitcoin to keep (the herds money) safe.

What I mean is, do Bitcoiners have the right to abuse non-Bitcoiners because of their choice of money?

(of course I would never do it)

Don't feel like this is a good comparison unless you don't think vaccines actually help eliminate diseases for the masses.

[BitMos]

If the pro-vaccinators wish the anti-vaxxors to take the vaccines to keep the herd safe from disease (herd theory)
Do Bitcoiners have the same argument - everybody should use Bitcoin to keep (the herds money) safe.

What I mean is, do Bitcoiners have the right to abuse non-Bitcoiners because of their choice of money?

(of course I would never do it)

biggest commercial bullshit on earth. I have no problem for the commercial corporation to flash everyone with their product forcibily, but not market participant... why? because we know. What do we know?

we know that if YOU are vaccinated, I don't have a risk of getting the virus you are vaccinated against, HOWEVER I still can get one of the TRILLIONS that YOU aren't vaccinated. YOU are causing A RISK to ME. the best safe solution is YOU dead. NO RISK. wanna play hc, u will live&die hc mofs.

[NeuroticFish]

If the pro-vaccinators wish the anti-vaxxors to take the vaccines to keep the herd safe from disease (herd theory)
Do Bitcoiners have the same argument - everybody should use Bitcoin to keep (the herds money) safe.

What I mean is, do Bitcoiners have the right to abuse non-Bitcoiners because of their choice of money?

(of course I would never do it)

biggest commercial bullshit on earth. I have no problem for the commercial corporation to flash everyone with their product forcibily, but not market participant... why? because we know. What do we know?

we know that if YOU are vaccinated, I don't have a risk of getting the virus you are vaccinated against, HOWEVER I still can get one of the TRILLIONS that YOU aren't vaccinated. YOU are causing A RISK to ME. the best safe solution is YOU dead. NO RISK. wanna play hc, u will live&die hc mofs.

Actually dead people can still spread diseases, flies will surely help with that.
So even safer is that .. the other guy is sent to outer space, or frozen under 10km of ice or on the other side of the world
Outer space would be expensive, but less risky imho.

[hashman]

If the pro-vaccinators wish the anti-vaxxors to take the vaccines to keep the herd safe from disease (herd theory)
Do Bitcoiners have the same argument - everybody should use Bitcoin to keep (the herds money) safe.

What I mean is, do Bitcoiners have the right to abuse non-Bitcoiners because of their choice of money?

(of course I would never do it)

Nice try   I think you may have got the (admittedly a stretch in any direction) analogy reversed. 

Vaccines and fiat:  pushed by private corporations to make a profit off the backs of the less educated. 

[Elwar]

Bitcoin does not fill your body with poison and weaken your immune system making you more susceptible to disease.

Though, just like with vaccines, if you do not use Bitcoin, you are not harming someone who does use Bitcoin.

http://ow.ly/HXaRt

[manselr]

If the pro-vaccinators wish the anti-vaxxors to take the vaccines to keep the herd safe from disease (herd theory)
Do Bitcoiners have the same argument - everybody should use Bitcoin to keep (the herds money) safe.

What I mean is, do Bitcoiners have the right to abuse non-Bitcoiners because of their choice of money?

(of course I would never do it)

Nice try   I think you may have got the (admittedly a stretch in any direction) analogy reversed. 

Vaccines and fiat:  pushed by private corporations to make a profit off the backs of the less educated. 

Well, the diference with fiat is, some vaccines are actually legit and crucial to be taken as soon as possible. Lives are saved thanks to vaccines.. not all are legit tho.

[Whtwabbit]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-06/guest-post-how-vaccine-hysteria-could-spark-totalitarian-nightmare

[BitMos]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-06/guest-post-how-vaccine-hysteria-could-spark-totalitarian-nightmare

It's a work of art.

[TECSHARE]

Here is an except of a very interesting article I found on this issue:
http://www.naturalnews.com/048467_vaccine_industry_intelligent_questions_scientific_principles.html

Question #1) If measles vaccines confer measles immunity, then why do already-vaccinated children have anything to fear from a measles outbreak?


Question #2) If vaccines work so well, then why did Merck virologists file a False Claims Act with the U.S. government, describing the astonishing scientific fraud of how Merck faked its vaccine results to trick the FDA?


Question #3) If vaccines don't have any links to autism, then why did a top CDC scientist openly confess to the CDC committing scientific fraud by selectively omitting clinical trial data after the fact in order to obscure an existing link between vaccines and autism?
His exact statement, published on the website of his legal counsel:
My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.


Question #4) If mercury is a neurotoxic chemical (which it is), then why is it still being injected into children and pregnant women via vaccines? Why does the vaccine industry refuse to remove all the mercury from vaccines in the interests of protecting children from mercury? The U.S. government tells us that lead in water is BAD, but mercury in vaccines is GOOD!


Question #5) If vaccines are so incredibly safe, then why does the vaccine industry need absolute legal immunity from all harm caused by its products?


Question #6) If vaccines work so well to prevent disease, then why do some vaccines (like the chickenpox vaccine) openly admit that they can cause the spread of chickenpox?


Question #7) If vaccines are so great for public health, then why do these historical public health charts show nearly all the declines in infectious disease taking place BEFORE vaccines arrived on the scene?

Read more at GetHolisticHealth.com:
http://www.getholistichealth.com/39215/vacci...
And watch this must-see interview with Dr. Suzanne Humphries who reveals the truth about vaccines:
http://vaccineliberationarmy.com/2014/03/20/...


Question #8) If vaccines are perfectly safe, then why did at least 13 people recently die in Italy after being vaccinated?


Question #9) If vaccines are so trustworthy, then why did a pro-vaccine group in Africa recently discover -- to its shock and horror -- that vaccines being given to young African women were secretly laced with abortion chemicals?


Question #10) If vaccines are backed by solid science, then why do some vaccine inserts openly admit they are backed by no clinical trials?
...there have been no controlled trials adequately demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with FLULAVAL.


Question #11) If vaccines are so safe, then why does this vaccine insert admit that the Gardasil vaccine causes "acute respiratory illness" in babies who consume the breast milk of mothers who have been vaccinated?


Question #12) If vaccines are so safe, then why does this Gardasil insert sheet admit that the vaccine causes "seizure-like activity, headache, fever, nausea and dizziness" and can even cause those injected with the vaccine to lose consciousness and fall, resulting in injury?


Question #13) If vaccines are totally safe, then why do vaccine insert sheets disclose a long list of frightening and bizarre side effects associated with their vaccines?


Question #14) If vaccines are backed by so much "science" then why do they frequently admit there really aren't any studies of the vaccine for the very groups of people who are often injected with it?


Question #15) If vaccines are so safe to give to pregnant women, then why do the vaccine insert sheets openly admit most of them have never been tested for safety in pregnant women? In fact, this vaccine admits "the effects of the vaccine in fetal development are unknown."


Question #16) If vaccines are so safe to be injected into the bodies of children and pregnant women, then why do their own insert sheets readily admit they are manufactured with a cocktail of toxic chemical ingredients including "fetal bovine serum?" (The blood serum of aborted baby cows.)


Question #17) If vaccines achieve absolute immunity, then why are as many as 97 percent of children struck by infectious disease already vaccinated against that disease?


Question #18) If vaccines are totally safe and effective, then why did this five-year-old girl recently die from the very strain of flu she was just vaccinated against?


Question #19) If the mainstream media claims to report honest, unbiased information about vaccines, then why was there a total nationwide blackout on the news of the CDC whistleblower admitting vaccines are linked to autism?
This was one of the most censored medical news stories of 2014, and the CDC's criminal cover-up stretches back more than 12 years...

Question #20) Why does the CDC falsely claim all vaccines are completely safe and effective when its own website still lists the toxic chemical ingredients used in vaccines?


Question #21) If the vaccine industry cares so much about children, then why does it call for the arrest of parents and the breaking up of families of unvaccinated children, begging for the state to seize custody of those children at gunpoint while incarcerating the parents in prison?

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/048467_vaccine_industry_intelligent_questions_scientific_principles.html

(source: http://www.naturalnews.com/048467_vaccine_industry_intelligent_questions_scientific_principles.html)


IMO the bottom line is forcing people to put themselves at risk in order to protect yourself from risk is wrong. Even if you accept the fact that vaccines work as stated, that doesn't exclude the possibility that there could be (and are clearly) toxic adulterants added that can cause serious side effects, up to and including death (death is by far not the worst side effect).

[Anon136]

We all know vaccinations actually help people and immunize them.

I'm quite skeptical myself actually. I think probably some of them do a better job immunizing than others. Probably all of them do work to some extent at their intended task. To the extent which they do immunize people i think all of them do so at a cost. I really don't think this black and white assessment is appropriate.

I understand that you are in favor of choice, so you probably will be in favor of the general premise, but seeing as how you represent the "pro-vaxer" position, the article linked below was quite good I think, I wonder if you would be interested in rebutting any the particulars. Here is link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-06/guest-post-how-vaccine-hysteria-could-spark-totalitarian-nightmare

[Lethn]

Don't get me wrong, as an Anarchist the thought has definitely crossed my mind that the government could be responsible for putting extra hidden things in the vaccinations without our knowledge and we all know how zombie apocolypses usually get started ( The government working on some biological weapon or highly illegal you know the usual stuff ) but I guess it all goes down to how much you trust the doctors you see. Problem is that Doctors are generally pretty nice people that don't necessarily give a shit about working for the government etc. and just want to help people so it could be either put in their without their knowledge and so on, just so many factors.

I'll tell you one thing that definitely fucking concerns me is the mental health industry and their casual use of 'psychiatric' ( I use the term loosely there ) drugs but that's been heavily scrutinised and we just need to take the same approach with vaccinations, no bullshit hysteria, no "zomg dem guvernment spies put weird stuff in arr vaccinations!" just smuggle a fucking syringe full out to an independent clinic and have it properly tested, that's how you do this sort of thing properly.

It reminds me of Niel De'grasse Tyson and what he said about aliens, all this stuff is so easy to fake but if you can get the real physical thing then bring it over to a lab and let them take a look at it, exact same situation here, I'm not saying that it couldn't be, I'm just not convinced, I can tell you however that flu vaccinations for cats seem to be a load of shit, they may not necesarily harm them but they don't seem to do anything either, that's probably why they try to sell them.

[riptide]

We all need to question our government more! Most of us just do what they are told. Buy why?
Because its the law they say. So what if its the law! Why is it the law, and who decided to make this law for me?
Too many sheep in this world!

[TECSHARE]

Don't get me wrong, as an Anarchist the thought has definitely crossed my mind that the government could be responsible for putting extra hidden things in the vaccinations without our knowledge and we all know how zombie apocolypses usually get started ( The government working on some biological weapon or highly illegal you know the usual stuff ) but I guess it all goes down to how much you trust the doctors you see. Problem is that Doctors are generally pretty nice people that don't necessarily give a shit about working for the government etc. and just want to help people so it could be either put in their without their knowledge and so on, just so many factors.

I'll tell you one thing that definitely fucking concerns me is the mental health industry and their casual use of 'psychiatric' ( I use the term loosely there ) drugs but that's been heavily scrutinised and we just need to take the same approach with vaccinations, no bullshit hysteria, no "zomg dem guvernment spies put weird stuff in arr vaccinations!" just smuggle a fucking syringe full out to an independent clinic and have it properly tested, that's how you do this sort of thing properly.

It reminds me of Niel De'grasse Tyson and what he said about aliens, all this stuff is so easy to fake but if you can get the real physical thing then bring it over to a lab and let them take a look at it, exact same situation here, I'm not saying that it couldn't be, I'm just not convinced, I can tell you however that flu vaccinations for cats seem to be a load of shit, they may not necesarily harm them but they don't seem to do anything either, that's probably why they try to sell them.

Doctors don't have to be evil to be ignorant or indoctrinated. Ask your doctor what the ingredients in your vaccine are. Watch the puzzled looks.

[hashman]

Don't get me wrong, as an Anarchist the thought has definitely crossed my mind that the government could be responsible for putting extra hidden things in the vaccinations without our knowledge and we all know how zombie apocolypses usually get started ( The government working on some biological weapon or highly illegal you know the usual stuff ) but I guess it all goes down to how much you trust the doctors you see. Problem is that Doctors are generally pretty nice people that don't necessarily give a shit about working for the government etc. and just want to help people so it could be either put in their without their knowledge and so on, just so many factors.

I'll tell you one thing that definitely fucking concerns me is the mental health industry and their casual use of 'psychiatric' ( I use the term loosely there ) drugs but that's been heavily scrutinised and we just need to take the same approach with vaccinations, no bullshit hysteria, no "zomg dem guvernment spies put weird stuff in arr vaccinations!" just smuggle a fucking syringe full out to an independent clinic and have it properly tested, that's how you do this sort of thing properly.

It reminds me of Niel De'grasse Tyson and what he said about aliens, all this stuff is so easy to fake but if you can get the real physical thing then bring it over to a lab and let them take a look at it, exact same situation here, I'm not saying that it couldn't be, I'm just not convinced, I can tell you however that flu vaccinations for cats seem to be a load of shit, they may not necesarily harm them but they don't seem to do anything either, that's probably why they try to sell them.

Doctors don't have to be evil to be ignorant or indoctrinated. Ask your doctor what the ingredients in your vaccine are. Watch the puzzled looks.

Ask for relevant papers on disease  prevention efficacy and also question security of injection materials en route to the office.  Then offer a generous payoff for the required paperwork up front.