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January 26, 2015, 06:44:36 PM
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Hello, you all know me as the scammers "partner", and I am requesting for a removal of my negative feedback.
You may be thinking: "Whatever he helped him scam, he was running a ponzi and that is automatically a scam"
I would like to prove why this is not grounds for calling me scammer.
1.
Ponzi games aren't scams, its the same as gambling on a dice site but instead of relying on a random number generated, your relying on other people sending. Only money I was taking was from the fees, which dice sites do as well, called provably fair. I'd also like to add that the fees were taken from me as well and I had over 1 btc in fees in that wallet, so I have lost more than some of you guys on the site.
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I have already repaid 2.5 btc out of my OWN POCKET, meaning my total loss because of this was about 3.5 btc on top of the posts I wasn't paid for from the signature campaign as quickseller told marcotheminer to remove me because of the negative feedback.
Along with my account being completely trashed with this negative feedback. Previous customers and people I've dealed with still trust me because they know I am trustworthy and have handled large transactions before, and am still working with those on a regular basis. Having this negative trust makes it hard for me to make new sales and projects, and join signature campaigns which make my losses much higher than the actual amount of btc stole from me.
3.
I came out and told you that I was the secondary operator of this. I could've chosen to remain in the shadows and let this blow over but I am tightly knit in this community and people deserve to know this truth.
4.
All blame is placed on me even though I didn't take anything from anyone. Theres no reason in calling someone who hasn't scammed a scammer, and doing so is actually punishable by law:
http://www.armstronglegal.com.au/criminal-law/offences/false-statements/false-accusations
You don't have any proof that I stole any funds, and I have proof that the theif was not me, and all of us have established proof that moreia and his band of alts were involved in this, as well as his alt actually told us he stole the funds as well.
5.
Imagine this scenario. You work for Mt. Gox as the programmer. You developed this exchange, you handled any problems, you did what you were told and you were paid during fees. During the night when you were sleeping the CEO runs and takes all money the exchange held, including the employees salary. Should the programmer be held responsible, and have his resume ruined because of this?
^ Thats probably the most relative scenario I could've thought of. I was the programmer in this partnership and he was the guy who handled people and advertising with his ring of alts.
Please review the information above and rethink why you are falsely accusing me of scamming.

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January 26, 2015, 09:24:03 PM
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Feigning ignorance is a poor tactic to try to prove innocence. Ponzis are known to not be sustainable. You collaborated through Skype with your partner about how much you could squeeze out through this endeavor. You schemed to have friends that deposited first, be paid out first.

You were part of the scam. Sure you didn't run with the funds but you contributed and endorsed it. Just as liable in my opinion. The trust should always stand.
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January 26, 2015, 09:27:56 PM
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Feigning ignorance is a poor tactic to try to prove innocence. Ponzis are known to not be sustainable. You collaborated through Skype with your partner about how much you could squeeze out through this endeavor. You schemed to have friends that deposited first, be paid out first.

You were part of the scam. Sure you didn't run with the funds but you contributed and endorsed it. Just as liable in my opinion. The trust should always stand.
They are pretty sustainable if you ask me. Look at weeklyponzi and 24hourponzi (same guy), nothing unsustainable about it, unless the players finally get bored of it, but that's possible through any game.
I did not scheme to have any friend deposit first, and look at the timestamps of these games, they were all after the time released so even if I did scheme (which I didn't) it would be fair game.
Also about "how much we could squeeze", who doesn't want higher volume? Pretty sure primedice would rather have 1000 btc in bets than 1 btc. More volume = more fees for us, and its also lots of fun to watch.

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January 26, 2015, 09:44:52 PM
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Feigning ignorance is a poor tactic to try to prove innocence. Ponzis are known to not be sustainable. You collaborated through Skype with your partner about how much you could squeeze out through this endeavor. You schemed to have friends that deposited first, be paid out first.

You were part of the scam. Sure you didn't run with the funds but you contributed and endorsed it. Just as liable in my opinion. The trust should always stand.
They are pretty sustainable if you ask me. Look at weeklyponzi and 24hourponzi (same guy), nothing unsustainable about it, unless the players finally get bored of it, but that's possible through any game.
I did not scheme to have any friend deposit first, and look at the timestamps of these games, they were all after the time released so even if I did scheme (which I didn't) it would be fair game.
Also about "how much we could squeeze", who doesn't want higher volume? Pretty sure primedice would rather have 1000 btc in bets than 1 btc. More volume = more fees for us, and its also lots of fun to watch.


I'm not going to argue ponzi semantics again. Those ponzis are almost dead. Less and less people deposit each day or week and more are complaining about not getting paid. There is no way to use the provably fair system for them. No way to prove manipulation doesnt exist. You should have realized this before supporting a known scamming platform. There are plenty of provably fair gambling games you could have contributed your time to but you chose the get rich quick scam.

You'll have a tough time finding sympathy here

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January 28, 2015, 12:53:35 AM
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he was honest and he is right... many people are playing in HYIPs even they know that there is a huge risk.

the HYIPs won't exist without clients. I don't think there are new and new clients...I think there are the same people who like play...

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January 28, 2015, 09:08:20 AM
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You should change the title of the thread. At the moment it looks like you are requesting negative feedback  Cheesy.

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January 29, 2015, 02:41:36 PM
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You should change the title of the thread. At the moment it looks like you are requesting negative feedback  Cheesy.


good remark   heheheh
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January 29, 2015, 02:45:05 PM
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after i see your feedback i see they are given because you are involved in scam ponzi and they given it with reference link to proofs for their feedbacks
also it can be recovered only when those users feels that you didn't scammed peoples, no one else can do anyting about them
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January 29, 2015, 02:47:36 PM
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after i see your feedback i see they are given because you are involved in scam ponzi and they given it with reference link to proofs for their feedbacks
also it can be recovered only when those users feels that you didn't scammed peoples, no one else can do anyting about them

It seems to me that he had no reason to come out as the cohort or the scammer... Is it wrong to say that nice guys finish last on this forum too?

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