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[CounterEntropy]

Unless THIS thread is the hacker trolling and testing!  

LOL I wish, my theory is he had to sell them to some people and this guy was just a screw up who didn't know enough. Theymos needs to get his email and do some digging. It could be a test from the hacker though, I just don't know what to think of it yet.

Your finding is a typical BitMixer transaction. It is now evident that Bitstamp coins were mixed through BitMixer. But, the top and bottom addresses has no link after mixing is done.

Similar example, where BurtW found the same for Klee's stolen coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686275.msg7804434#msg7804434

I don't know exactly how mixers work but the story is sketch as well, the guys says he bought them locally from someone who sells them for lower than market and it the coins were there by the end of the day.

I dont know where did u get the info that the guy bought it locally at lower than market rate, but if he had said so (or if we believe him at all) then it makes sense. First think, why someone will give you coins at lower than the market rate ? There must be something fishy that he wants to offload fast and does not want to keep a trace. So that guy will take his money and send his coins to a mixing service. The output address of the mixing service will be the buyer's address. So, the guy in the middle gets his fund mixed and as well as get money against it. The buyer on the other hand gets new stolen fund, with which the seller has no relation. That is why 1Af9nUCxKYRuXeHRDS6v14eV1JXxvUFUqc has no relation with 1NbBW1XJ81ZtgPp8LL952vVJSf54N5SjK9 apart from they are address of the same mixer.

[Wendigo]

That is WAY too many hops to make any kind of deduction! You can link pretty much anyone to any coins using that many hops.

There used to be a website where you entered a bitcoin address and it would tell you if the address had any coins from the famous 10,000BTC pizza trade and show you the path. IIRC approximately 20% of bitcoin address on the blockchain contained some amount of BTC from that single trade back in 2010.

I wonder if that site still exists. Anyone remember it?

Speaking of senses tingling, my jedi senses are tingling right now.

Does that site follow the coins around sent from the original address? How does it know which fraction of the coins went to which address?

[CounterEntropy]

That is WAY too many hops to make any kind of deduction! You can link pretty much anyone to any coins using that many hops.

There used to be a website where you entered a bitcoin address and it would tell you if the address had any coins from the famous 10,000BTC pizza trade and show you the path. IIRC approximately 20% of bitcoin address on the blockchain contained some amount of BTC from that single trade back in 2010.

I wonder if that site still exists. Anyone remember it?

Speaking of senses tingling, my jedi senses are tingling right now.

Calm down. Use this: https://bitiodine.net

[Blazr]

Calm down. Use this: https://bitiodine.net

That is an awesome site if it does what I think it does, though it looks like it's broken right now.

I've been thinking about the pizza thing again, and I was mixing up two different things.

Dooglus did an analysis in 2012 to see how many address contained "pizza coins", there was over 1 million addresses:
https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/450/is-there-any-way-to-track-an-individual-bitcoin-or-satoshi/2900#2900

Conducting taint analysis the way the OP did it (the "follow-the-coins" method) isn't the right way to do it. It's a good way for finding potential suspects, but not for finding proof. For example, see this quote from dooglus regarding the Bitcoins that were stolen from allinvain in one of the first Bitcoin hacks:

I don't mean to imply that the allinvain coins haven't been thoroughly looted. They have touched 755,796 different addresses since being stolen and are currently sitting in 109,235 different addresses, including 8 from my own personal wallet. The exact same 8 as have pizza coins in them, it turns out.

[CounterEntropy]

Calm down. Use this: https://bitiodine.net

That is an awesome site if it does what I think it does, though it looks like it's broken right now.

Yep. It is now updating the blockchain to its DB. It works the way you are expecting... But, even this can not unwind the mixing made by bitmixer. Because BitMixer mixing takes place off the blockchain.

[RealKruncha]

I hope you're wrong, but good work on trying to find out - a bit of investigation is a good thing.

K.

[waterpile]

So, what is the point of this thread? I thought its about helping the guy getting back his lost 20btc

[AgentofCoin]

So, what is the point of this thread? I thought its about helping the guy getting back his lost 20btc

Wrong thread. Thats the other one.

In this one, we are accusing him of participating (directly or indirectly) in the bitstamp hack. 

[gogxmagog]

I get the feeling that drunken 20 btc guy is related to this--->https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938476.0 guy. It is why I think this is a criminal gang who sees bitcoin muny, but has no clue how to 'puter. Or just retards trying random doors to see if one is unlocked.

Ahhh, to be in Romania in the springtime...

[MrGreenHat]

cloudmining.website (http://www.cloudmining.website/) is a fairly new entity: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=843417.0

And, who the hell is C. Demiris?

See 'dem IRS?

[tss]

this is getting interesting.  is there an underground network of buying and selling "hacked" btc? 

where is it?  and i want some!

[AgentofCoin]

I get the feeling that drunken 20 btc guy is related to this--->https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938476.0 guy. It is why I think this is a criminal gang who sees bitcoin muny, but has no clue how to 'puter. Or just retards trying random doors to see if one is unlocked.

Ahhh, to be in Romania in the springtime...

That guy in the thread you found....   Where are they coming from?!? LOL.
I'm sure these users are all connected in some way.
Pretty bizarre that total noobs (like complete ignorant noobs) are showing up with somewhat large sums of btc. (Or at least claim to have).

[Blazr]

this is getting interesting.  is there an underground network of buying and selling "hacked" btc?  

where is it?  and i want some!

Of course not. It is too easy to mix BTC. There would be no point selling it cheap.

OP is just being dumb and does not understand how far BTC spreads. It's likely some of us in this thread have a small amount of funds in our addresses from the Bitstamp hack too. Bitcoins spread around really fast. Check out the post I linked earlier:

https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/450/is-there-any-way-to-track-an-individual-bitcoin-or-satoshi/2900#2900

[koelen3]

 This doesn't really means that he have bought from the Scammer or he himself is ! though there are chances that he might be
But bitcoin spreads pretty fast and why would someone just use bitmixer and then post here , to show us that yes i might have got them from Bitstamp hack. Might just be a purchase or Fast spreading coins

[xhomerx10]

Unfortunately, it is not possible to revert Bitcoin transaction. Mind to explain what "mistake" did you do last night? Missclick? The 20 BTC was sent to another address just 7 second after receiving it. https://blockchain.info/address/19wN6jYvQSkW2acaSZXBavYAfde31YJrYJ

I was a bit drunk yesterday. I was trying to purchase 20 Giga Hash (2x10Ghs) hash power. By mistake I selected 20 Tera Hash (2x10Ths) from the drop down and clicked the link and it was gone. My friends told me this is the biggest bitcoin support forum. So if I tell my problem here, they can return my transaction.

Apologize for just getting up to speed, but I think I uncovered a clever way to wash nefariously obtained coins: Purchase from a third-party, or one you own, hashing power. Genius!

A third-party entity probably won't take the time to see where the coins stemmed from because they're happy to just receive a purchase. Hell, even BitPay didn't take the time to see that the coins they sent to BFL were only a hop away from being deposited into BFL's 1QAHV BTW, then used from that address under the guise that it stemmed from HashTrade. BitPay was extremely happy for the PR.

EDIT: After a few hops backwards, I find this: http://www.walletexplorer.com/address/1GNN1Lboxaak3YLafN6o5rUwByYtBBdWht

This is the second time I've come across NitrogenSports.eu. Yesterday, I saw it for the first time doing forensics on BFL's coins after they were returned to them from the FTC. What's noteworthy is that both Sonny Vleisides and Jeff Ownby are well-versed in setting up, maintaining, and scamming millions via online gambling sites, their partnership going back to Sonny's Laissez Faire City days.

 It's neither clever nor genius; it's simply criminal.  Creativex did this in May of last year with the coins he stole from Basic Mining investors.  It's actually the opposite of clever because it was a sure-fire way to lose probably half of the value of the coins if not more.  He could have simply given half of the coins back to the shareholders and said the rest were closing costs.  I could say a lot of things about Creativex but the word "genius" does not come to mind.

[Lethn]

Nice detective work, I tend to agree with the others, I have a very hard time believing someone would have that much money in Bitcoin without doing prior research first, either it means he's galactically stupid or he's lying, anyone with that kind of money who had any sense would be keeping a very close eye on things.

[Q7]

But wait....if he successfully gets a refund, this will mean he'll be getting new coins which are not from the hack. Something is really fishy here.

[Madness]

But wait....if he successfully gets a refund, this will mean he'll be getting new coins which are not from the hack. Something is really fishy here.

The guy who got screwed looks a Newbie for real & seem like he don't know a lot about BTC there is no way he hacked bitsmap, I don't think he have anything to do with Bitsmap hack at all but maybe he just bought them from the Hacker or someone related to him with cheap price. .

[arvindr]

more popcorn.

[CounterEntropy]

But wait....if he successfully gets a refund, this will mean he'll be getting new coins which are not from the hack. Something is really fishy here.

The guy who got screwed looks a Newbie for real & seem like he don't know a lot about BTC there is no way he hacked bitsmap, I don't think he have anything to do with Bitsmap hack at all but maybe he just bought them from the Hacker or someone related to him with cheap price. .

This is simply mixed coins and has no connection with Bitstamp hack. Please read this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=939199.msg10292903#msg10292903

Following is a better explnation...

this is getting interesting.  is there an underground network of buying and selling "hacked" btc?  

where is it?  and i want some!

Of course not. It is too easy to mix BTC. There would be no point selling it cheap.

OP is just being dumb and does not understand how far BTC spreads. It's likely some of us in this thread have a small amount of funds in our addresses from the Bitstamp hack too. Bitcoins spread around really fast. Check out the post I linked earlier:

https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/450/is-there-any-way-to-track-an-individual-bitcoin-or-satoshi/2900#2900

OP needs to update the thread title, or else more people will be confused.