Wardrick scammed me out of $110

[Quickseller]

Ok, you're probably right about the automation Quickseller, but if the cards are cancelled they should have a zero balance right?

I noticed card 0933 only spent $99.67 as shown in OP's screenshot and sure enough it still has $0.33 on it

I do see that. I don't have an explanation for the $0.33, although I also don't know how exactly the loading of balances works. It looks like there were 4 $25 transactions to load the funds onto the card. If Starbucks only allows for one payment method for each "reload" then this is defiantly suspicious. However if they allow customers to split the payment (e.g. paying $20 in cash and $5 with their credit card.....or $24.67 on their credit card and $0.33 in cash - or $20 on one credit card and $5 on another, or $20 with their credit card and $5 from a refund), then it is possible that the $0.33 is simply the only portion that is not stolen funds.

Just shut up and stop licking his butthole lol

If cards has been flagged for fraudulent activities then all the cards should have been closed out and invalid but in fact they are all active and open.(Just checked all of them and all of them are active). Starbucks wouldn't keep the cards open if it has been flagged for fraud.

Your personal attacks make me think that you both knew the cards would have their balance reversed and are trying to scam.

I am not sure why you are trying to pass something off as fact when you do not provide any evidence to back up your claims. Do you have any evidence of this? Do you work for starbucks?

I would think they would allow the cards to remain open myself, as why would they close the cards if only some of the funds were put onto the cards fraudulently? If a card has a $500 balance but only $25 were put onto the card via a stolen credit card, wouldn't it be stealing if they took the entire $500 balance (assuming the $475 was put on via legit means)?

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[Wardrick]

Every PM you sent me:
http://imgur.com/UmFtHdN
http://imgur.com/l7sW7gY
http://imgur.com/RN0gmkh

Response:
http://imgur.com/zquVVp8
http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w
http://imgur.com/Fg9qT1h
http://imgur.com/3kdmOWY
http://imgur.com/gsVhvwK
http://imgur.com/2zzPz5a


As quickseller said, the order cancellation is automated and you receive an automated email upon cancellation. Starbucks doesn't have a wide variety of automated emails probably, and it fell into this one. It could be that when the cards were used and found out to be stolen they were cancelled and the balances erased, which would lead to an email like this.

It's pretty plain and simple what happened, and frankly I'm tired of repeating myself.

What happened:
1) I messaged James showing interest in $500 Starbucks Gift Cards
2) James sent me the codes without talking to me and refused to take them back and demanded payment in 12 hours
3) I agreed to take them if you're trading on my terms or gave him the option of taking them back, which he could of easily done and just transferred the balance to a different card if he was so worried
4) I use the cards, they didn't work. They turn out to be stolen. End of story.

[Quickseller]

I don't have an explanation for the $0.33, although I also don't know how exactly the loading of balances works. It looks like there were 4 $25 transactions to load the funds onto the card. If Starbucks only allows for one payment method for each "reload" then this is defiantly suspicious. However if they allow customers to split the payment (e.g. paying $20 in cash and $5 with their credit card.....or $24.67 on their credit card and $0.33 in cash - or $20 on one credit card and $5 on another, or $20 with their credit card and $5 from a refund), then it is possible that the $0.33 is simply the only portion that is not stolen funds.

Here's a link to a forum where someone bought a gift card from ebay, added it to their existing card that they've used for a while and say StarBucks cancelled the entire card and all funds. When they spoke with a manager about getting their legitimate balance back they said only if a receipt could be provided for every balance added. Seems StarBucks cancels everything if one bad cards slips in.


http://forum.purseblog.com/ebay-forum/bought-a-starbucks-giftcard-from-ebay-and-starbucks-863611.html

Interesting, however I don't think this is a very good practice on Starbuck's part. (maybe they have since changed their policy?). I don't see any reason why they would close/cancel an entire balance on a gift card if only a portion were reversed.

Another thing to note is that we don't know for a fact why either the funds were canceled in that story/blog post, nor why they were canceled in this case (assuming they were in fact canceled). It has been speculated that the cards in this case were purchased with stolen credit cards, however there are a number of other reasons why they could have been canceled (the gift cards themselves were reported stolen by someone else, whoever purchased them did so with a check that was returned for NSF - or the check bounced for some other reason). I bolded the returned check theory because this would not necessarily be fraud on the buyer's part, so if this was the case then SB would not necessarily close the cards for fraud.

This is all really speculation, however I should say that I do trust Wardrick and do not trust the OP (he clearly created his account for the sole purpose of selling these gift cards - which in itself should be a red flag)

[jamesphamm33]

Every PM you sent me:
http://imgur.com/UmFtHdN
http://imgur.com/l7sW7gY

Response:
http://imgur.com/zquVVp8
http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w
http://imgur.com/Fg9qT1h
http://imgur.com/3kdmOWY
http://imgur.com/gsVhvwK
http://imgur.com/2zzPz5a


As quickseller said, the order cancellation is automated and you receive an automated email upon cancellation. Starbucks doesn't have a wide variety of automated emails probably, and it fell into this one. It could be that when the cards were used and found out to be stolen they were cancelled and the balances erased, which would lead to an email like this.

It's pretty plain and simple what happened, and frankly I'm tired of repeating myself.

What happened:
1) I messaged James showing interest in $500 Starbucks Gift Cards
2) James sent me the codes without talking to me and refused to take them back and demanded payment in 12 hours
3) I agreed to take them if you're trading on my terms or gave him the option of taking them back, which he could of easily done and just transferred the balance to a different card if he was so worried
4) I use the cards, they didn't work. They turn out to be stolen. End of story.

1) Yes,I sent you cards first without discussing more
2) We came to term after arguing about payment that you will send me money after you use cards(look at screenshots on first page)
3) You use cards and I did not get my money
4) Why would I transfer the balance?(Again twisting story here to avoid paying me)
5) Your evidence that they are stolen? (Again twisting story here to avoid paying me)
6) I am at a loss of money and with 5 $0 cards

edit: I was worried because I wouldn't know when you were going to pay me. You would feel the same as I did if you sold something to a buyer and the buyer tells you I will pay you when I use them whether it takes 1 hour or 5 days. So was I suppose to be patient and in the loop hole of not knowing when I was going to get paid?

Yes it is pretty simple what happened. I sent you cards. You agreed to pay when you use them. You used them. You didn't pay me. Yes I know pretty plain simple. Now you are twisting up the story to remove yourself from paying $110.

[Wardrick]

1) Yes,I sent you cards first without discussing more
2) We came to term after arguing about payment that you will send me money after you use cards(look at screenshots on first page)
3) You use cards and I did not get my money
4) Why would I transfer the balance?(Again twisting story here to avoid paying me)
5) Your evidence that they are stolen? (Again twisting story here to avoid paying me)
6) I am at a loss of money and with 5 $0 cards

It's implied as Quickseller mentioned earlier that when you purchase $500 worth of gift cards, it's implied that it will have $500 of value, but just for the record - http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w

You would transfer the balance because I asked you to take the codes back because you sent them to me without discussing any details and then kept demanding an instant payment.

[bitspill]

Cancellation of This Agreement

We may suspend or terminate this agreement and revoke or limit any or all of the rights and privileges granted to you at any time without notice or liability. Termination may result from your fraudulent or unauthorized use of the Starbucks Card. If we terminate this agreement without cause, we will refund or issue store credits equal to the balance held in your Starbucks Card account less any amounts that you may owe us.

So in the case of cards being cancelled for fraud they would have cause and the entire balance is gone with no refunds.


There should not be $0.33 left we should be seeing a big 'ole $0.00


Although I've got no experience with Starbucks, Wardrick's story just doesn't sit right with me. I read his first PM about check my history decide if you want to send first as agreeing to the established price and expecting either james to actually send first or to object in which case it would likely progress to escrow. Wardrick then later adds the term that he wants to use then pay.

[Quickseller]

Cancellation of This Agreement

We may suspend or terminate this agreement and revoke or limit any or all of the rights and privileges granted to you at any time without notice or liability. Termination may result from your fraudulent or unauthorized use of the Starbucks Card. If we terminate this agreement without cause, we will refund or issue store credits equal to the balance held in your Starbucks Card account less any amounts that you may owe us.

So in the case of cards being cancelled for fraud they would have cause and the entire balance is gone with no refunds.


There should not be $0.33 left we should be seeing a big 'ole $0.00


Although I've got no experience with Starbucks, Wardrick's story just doesn't sit right with me. I read his first PM about check my history decide if you want to send first as agreeing to the established price and expecting either james to actually send first or to object in which case it would likely progress to escrow. Wardrick then later adds the term that he wants to use then pay.

Well Wardrick did offer for the OP to send back the gift cards early on if he did not agree to his terms. I don't think Wardrick's first PM to the OP would constitute an agreement.

So based on your quote of their terms, then if the balance was obtained via fraud then the entire balance should be removed and the remainder should be refunded (possibly via store credit - a gift card?).

As I mentioned above, I think it is possible that the funds were loaded onto the card via some other way then what SB considers "fraud" (e.g. like paying with a bad check)

[jamesphamm33]

Cancellation of This Agreement

We may suspend or terminate this agreement and revoke or limit any or all of the rights and privileges granted to you at any time without notice or liability. Termination may result from your fraudulent or unauthorized use of the Starbucks Card. If we terminate this agreement without cause, we will refund or issue store credits equal to the balance held in your Starbucks Card account less any amounts that you may owe us.

So in the case of cards being cancelled for fraud they would have cause and the entire balance is gone with no refunds.


There should not be $0.33 left we should be seeing a big 'ole $0.00


Although I've got no experience with Starbucks, Wardrick's story just doesn't sit right with me. I read his first PM about check my history decide if you want to send first as agreeing to the established price and expecting either james to actually send first or to object in which case it would likely progress to escrow. Wardrick then later adds the term that he wants to use then pay.

I've never, in years of trading, had someone send me something for this amount without discussing any details. It's either because he wanted to get rid of them quickly, or he's extremely stupid. Honestly why would I choose to scam $110 when I've done trades of $1500+ with new members without Escrow.

Stop twisting the story you scumbag lying piece of shit

Why do you think I got frustrated and impatient with you after you didnt send me payment after I sent you cards?

Here is my PM showing frustration which you forgot to include

"how am i suppose to know when that will be? It can be 1 day 1 month 1 year??? I am not waiting for you to buy yourself a $5 cup of coffee for the next 100 days. Send me money in 12 hours; that is enough to verify them. It takes not even a minute to verify the codes work. It doesn't take 5 days to verify that the codes work. And I dont take codes back for obvious reasons."

Also, I didnt ask for payment instantly. I asked for payment on the spot after 1 hour of sending you cards. Which is enough time for you to punch in the number and code on the website to check the balance.

Then we argued about payment for a long time and came to terms that you would pay me after you use them up. YOU USED THEM UP AND DIDN'T PAY ME.
Its not that hard. This is very clear with all the PMs out in public that you scammed me out of $110. Now you are twisting the situation up so you can get out of paying me.


Edit: Also, I'm extremely stupid? You told me to send you cards first after checking your reputation. So I checked your reputation and decided to send you cards and assumed you would pay me and not make things complicated.

[bitspill]

Conspiracy mode.

Wardrick is using his classic SB card until he gets down to $0.33 and needs to load up again
Wardrick acquires 5 $100 cards from james
Wardrick transfers $499.67 to his primary card
SB cards have a max value of $500 so he couldn't move it all
4 cards are now $0.00
1 card is now $0.33
Wardrick claims SB zeroed them
Wardrick has a reputation
james is the new guy
ergo james is the bad guy
Wardrick laughs his way home while drinking starbucks

You told me to send you cards first after checking your reputation. So I checked your reputation and decided to send you cards and assumed you would pay me and not make things complicated.

This is how I see the situation also, james did what was asked of him

[Wardrick]

Edit: Also, I'm extremely stupid? You told me to send you cards first after checking your reputation. So I checked your reputation and decided to send you cards and assumed you would pay me and not make things complicated.

You stated in your thread that you don't send the codes first. I messaged you showing interest in them, completely different than saying "Hey send me $500 of codes and I will pay you within 12 hours of receiving them, and guess what? I'll even pay you if the gift cards are completely useless and have no value whatsoever!". Either way if you send me something and don't discuss the trade details you're basically agreeing to my terms unless they are ridiculous.

You're dishonest and continue to lie. Do you just ignore facts and continue to make up your own story? I told you to take the cards back and I told you that I'm not sending the payment until I use them and know they work. What part are you having trouble understanding? - http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w - If the order was cancelled and there's no other activity on the cards can you conclude what happened here?


You also seemed to show concern that I was using the gift cards online for some reason.


@Bitspill, that's my facebook pic atm.

[bitspill]

You stated in your thread that you don't send the codes first. I messaged you showing interest in them, completely different than saying "Hey send me $500 of codes and I will pay you within 12 hours of receiving them, and guess what? I'll even pay you if the gift cards are completely useless and have no value whatsoever!". Either way if you send me something and don't discuss the trade details you're basically agreeing to my terms unless they are ridiculous.

If you know his thread says he won't send first why even bring it up? You wanted him to look at your reputation, deem you trustworthy, then send the codes to you.

[jamesphamm33]

Edit: Also, I'm extremely stupid? You told me to send you cards first after checking your reputation. So I checked your reputation and decided to send you cards and assumed you would pay me and not make things complicated.

You stated in your thread that you don't send the codes first. I messaged you showing interest in them, completely different than saying "Hey send me $500 of codes and I will pay you within 12 hours of receiving them, and guess what? I'll even pay you if the gift cards are completely useless and have no value whatsoever!". Either way if you send me something and don't discuss the trade details you're basically agreeing to my terms unless they are ridiculous.

You're dishonest and continue to lie. Do you just ignore facts and continue to make up your own story? I told you to take the cards back and I told you that I'm not sending the payment until I use them and know they work. What part are you having trouble understanding? - http://imgur.com/cNXZB2w - If the order was cancelled and there's no other activity on the cards can you conclude what happened here?


You also seemed to show concern that I was using the gift cards online for some reason.


@Bitspill, that's my facebook pic atm.

Oh so now you're trying to cover this up and blame it on me? Show me where I'm dishonest and continue to lie. Show me where I show concern about you ordering online. I asked if you ordered online and because there's nothing you can purchase in store that is worth $500 at once and left it at that.The facts are all presented here with everything public. Now you are going around in circles to twist things up even more.

Here let me just copy and paste my previous post again since you don't know how to read.

"Stop twisting the story you scumbag lying piece of shit

Why do you think I got frustrated and impatient with you after you didnt send me payment after I sent you cards?

Here is my PM showing frustration which you forgot to include

"how am i suppose to know when that will be? It can be 1 day 1 month 1 year??? I am not waiting for you to buy yourself a $5 cup of coffee for the next 100 days. Send me money in 12 hours; that is enough to verify them. It takes not even a minute to verify the codes work. It doesn't take 5 days to verify that the codes work. And I dont take codes back for obvious reasons."

Also, I didnt ask for payment instantly. I asked for payment on the spot after 1 hour of sending you cards. Which is enough time for you to punch in the number and code on the website to check the balance.

Then we argued about payment for a long time and came to terms that you would pay me after you use them up. YOU USED THEM UP AND DIDN'T PAY ME.
Its not that hard. This is very clear with all the PMs out in public that you scammed me out of $110. Now you are twisting the situation up so you can get out of paying me."

[Wardrick]

The order was cancelled, the cards you sold to me did not work and the order was cancelled. I can provide proof of all this, all you are saying is that you sent me Starbucks gift cards and you want the payment.

All the evidence points to the cards being used only once, as there's no other activity on them except that the cards were applied to the order and it being cancelled, and the reason it was cancelled remains unknown, but I think it's obvious. If you have any further proof or evidence you want to provide instead of just posting saying I'm lying go ahead.

I'm also open to someone team viewing my screen to verify all of this so to see that there's no confusion.

[jamesphamm33]

The order was cancelled, the cards you sold to me did not work and the order was cancelled. I can provide proof of all this, all you are saying is that you sent me Starbucks gift cards and you want the payment.

All the evidence points to the cards being used only once, as there's no other activity on them except that the cards were applied to the order and it being cancelled, and the reason it was cancelled remains unknown, but I think it's obvious. If you have any further proof or evidence you want to provide instead of just posting saying I'm lying go ahead.

I'm also open to someone team viewing my screen to verify all of this so to see that there's no confusion.

The card I sold to you did work otherwise you wouldn't be able to redeem the cards.
I provided all the evidence on here to prove that you didn't pay for using my cards.
In the end you scammed me out my money and  5 $100 cards.

[homeless hacker]

If the cards were cancelled, there would be a $0.00 balance across the board. To whoever provided that image, thank you. The person given the gcs used them to transfer the balance on the original card. That has now become a fact seeing as to how we see there is a remaining small balance on one of the gcs. Wardrick said he can provide proof that they were cancelled. Wardrick, may we take a peak?

[SellingHBOGo]

If the cards were zeroed out by Starbucks, they would say balance merge not redeem. Wardrick scammed the OP plain and simple

[funtotry]

If the cards were zeroed out by Starbucks, they would say balance merge not redeem. Wardrick scammed the OP plain and simple

This is true I have dealt with lots of starbucks cards before, but I wouldn't make the accusation that Wardrick is a scammer, I think its a misunderstanding.

[applesRyummy]

I have a question, is someone with the card number and PIN able to cancel an order? For example would it have been possible for the OP to cancel the order then quickly place another order since he knew the card number?

[Wardrick]

I have a question, is someone with the card number and PIN able to cancel an order? For example would it have been possible for the OP to cancel the order then quickly place another order since he knew the card number?

It would probably be possible if they called into customer service. The activity on the codes shows that they were used once and the order was cancelled, and the balances were not credited back. At this point it's just rail birds commenting on the situation that haven't fully read the thread or know the situation.

[stanozlolz]

I have a question, is someone with the card number and PIN able to cancel an order? For example would it have been possible for the OP to cancel the order then quickly place another order since he knew the card number?

It would probably be possible if they called into customer service. The activity on the codes shows that they were used once and the order was cancelled, and the balances were not credited back. At this point it's just rail birds commenting on the situation that haven't fully read the thread or know the situation.

Wardrick is a piece of shit scammer who deserves to be banned.
His password was recently changed --- is it the real him or the new purchaser of the account?

HA, scammed someone for money...whether it be $1, $500, $5000, or $50k, you sir are a piece of shit.

James is doing something to get funds...
Just because they are fraudulent (which you knew beforehand), you want to rob him...

Wow, you are a piece of shit.