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February 03, 2015, 12:27:35 AM
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The chart measures total public debt, instead of per-capita debt or debt/GDP.
This is why the large economies (US, CHina, Japan, India, Brazil) are shown in red.
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February 03, 2015, 08:46:38 AM
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The chart measures total public debt, instead of per-capita debt or debt/GDP.
This is why the large economies (US, CHina, Japan, India, Brazil) are shown in red.

List of countries ranked by debt/GDP (hey, at least we're not in the top 10).

 Japan    237.918%    
 Greece    158.546%    
 Jamaica    146.591%       
 Lebanon    139.527%    
 Italy    126.978%    
 Eritrea    125.785%       
 Portugal    111.556%    
 Ireland    117.122%    
 Grenada    112.567%    
 Singapore    111.017%       
 United States    106.525%    

(data from 2012)

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February 03, 2015, 09:25:06 AM
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The chart measures total public debt, instead of per-capita debt or debt/GDP.
This is why the large economies (US, CHina, Japan, India, Brazil) are shown in red.

List of countries ranked by debt/GDP (hey, at least we're not in the top 10).

 Japan    237.918%    
 Greece    158.546%    
 Jamaica    146.591%       
 Lebanon    139.527%    
 Italy    126.978%    
 Eritrea    125.785%       
 Portugal    111.556%    
 Ireland    117.122%    
 Grenada    112.567%    
 Singapore    111.017%       
 United States    106.525%    

(data from 2012)

53% of total foreign investment in thailand is from japan
1.2 Trillion dollars of US debt is owed to japan

how can japan be lending out so much money if they are in such deep shit themselves ?
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February 03, 2015, 10:13:06 AM
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All loans could in theory be paid back, extinguishing all debt. If the loaners are not able or willing to pay back, the loans could be written off as a loss, same result in the aggregate.

Defaulting is not paying back, so that first sentence is incorrect. Due to interest on debit being higher overall than interest on credit, there is always more debit than credit in the system, and debit will always grow faster. If everyone would pay their debts or otherwise default and lose any collateral, the banks would end up with most of the world's property. That by itself shows the banks being parasites, since they never created anything of value themselves, they only moved and manipulated money, yet they'd own almost everything.

Exactly, there is an ownership shift problem in the current monetary system, it should be the one who own the assets get the ownership of both assets and issued money, but banks took ownership of the assets during the money creation process and this caused the biggest robbery in human history

For example, I'm government and I issue 100 billion dollar based on my asset (bond), I should have the ownership of both 100 billion dollar and the asset. However in today's system, if government issue 100 billion dollar based on their asset, the ownership of those bond will belong to FED, which is not owned by the government. So the banks get the ownership of large amount of assets by simply creating money

Similarly, a house manufacturer can issue 1 million dollar based on his asset (house), he should have the ownership of both 1 million dollar and the house. After he spent 1 million dollar, those dollar might come back to him to redeem the house, but until that, he still own the house. In today's system, bank took his house and give him 1 million dollar, and those 1 million dollar is created by the back of that house, this is equal to bank creating money out of nothing and buy his house

Under a gold standard, where money creation can only be backed by gold, banks can not do this, they must first get gold and then issue money, or to say, their money creation is limited by the amount of gold produced, so they can't steal at grand scale like today


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February 03, 2015, 10:55:18 AM
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The chart measures total public debt, instead of per-capita debt or debt/GDP.
This is why the large economies (US, CHina, Japan, India, Brazil) are shown in red.

List of countries ranked by debt/GDP (hey, at least we're not in the top 10).

 Japan    237.918%    
 Greece    158.546%    
 Jamaica    146.591%       
 Lebanon    139.527%    
 Italy    126.978%    
 Eritrea    125.785%       
 Portugal    111.556%    
 Ireland    117.122%    
 Grenada    112.567%    
 Singapore    111.017%       
 United States    106.525%    

(data from 2012)

53% of total foreign investment in thailand is from japan
1.2 Trillion dollars of US debt is owed to japan

how can japan be lending out so much money if they are in such deep shit themselves ?


That's a good question. I have not been able to find whether the source of Japan and China lending is the government or foreign investors in those countries.  Japan's economy is so screwed up though who knows what they're doing.

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February 03, 2015, 11:26:53 AM
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List of countries ranked by debt/GDP (hey, at least we're not in the top 10).

 Japan    237.918%   



WTF Japan? Ever heard of Bitcoin? Oh yeah, mtgox... nevermind.

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February 03, 2015, 11:58:12 AM
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February 03, 2015, 12:51:29 PM
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The chart measures total public debt, instead of per-capita debt or debt/GDP.
This is why the large economies (US, CHina, Japan, India, Brazil) are shown in red.

List of countries ranked by debt/GDP (hey, at least we're not in the top 10).

 Japan    237.918%    
 Greece    158.546%    
 Jamaica    146.591%       
 Lebanon    139.527%    
 Italy    126.978%    
 Eritrea    125.785%       
 Portugal    111.556%    
 Ireland    117.122%    
 Grenada    112.567%    
 Singapore    111.017%       
 United States    106.525%    

(data from 2012)

53% of total foreign investment in thailand is from japan
1.2 Trillion dollars of US debt is owed to japan

how can japan be lending out so much money if they are in such deep shit themselves ?


That's a good question. I have not been able to find whether the source of Japan and China lending is the government or foreign investors in those countries.  Japan's economy is so screwed up though who knows what they're doing.

The Japan economy was fine until they started the abenomics, don't believe the media or the economists.
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