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April 05, 2015, 03:28:58 AM
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You have to be careful, take your meds.

Just because you think the NSA is on to you doesn't mean they suddenly are.

Not sure i understand what you are trying to get at. I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort.

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April 05, 2015, 03:32:26 AM
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Lots of them on 4chan, get payed to derail threads and post lies when people say stuff they don't like..

Turn off the news and read. Watch Psywar, learn something important about our society and PR, why and how it got started and how it brainwashes you.
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April 05, 2015, 02:02:08 PM
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Lots of them on 4chan, get payed to derail threads and post lies when people say stuff they don't like..

are there dissidents on 4chan? what section?

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April 05, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
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Lots of them on 4chan, get payed to derail threads and post lies when people say stuff they don't like..

Sad to hear this. Sound strange this coming from the same 4chan whose people orchestrated the Justin Bieber to North Korea prank; however, disruption agents can hide everywhere.

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April 05, 2015, 08:15:08 PM
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The creation of this thread was prompted by this comment https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12156.msg10307877#msg10307877

A good read.  Here's a simplified version of consensus cracking looks like.  Our subject seems well versed in counterintelligence tactics, although using them for profit and coin promotion.  Check out the thread 'Dooglus and his Pawn Arrogant' for more:

How do you work that out? How can someone steal or con you out of money on JD? I am actually interested to here, because it isn't p2p and unlike say MCX, there is no market to pump and or dump.

I think this is how the scam he is describing works:

1. dooglus buys a bunch of cheap unknown crypto (doge, clam, etc.)
2. dooglus launches dice site, bringing publicity to the unknown crypto, pumping its price
3. suckers buy the unknown crypto at inflated prices from dooglus
4. price collapses
5. dooglus ends up with suckers' valuable coins, suckers end up with worthless currency

Seems like an awful lot of work for relatively little gain. And if this was my goal I don't think I would have picked a coin that has 96% of its supply unaccounted for. A large part of it could turn up at any point and collapse the price. It would make much more sense to pump and dump a coin that JD could truly corner the market in.

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13:09:28 INFO: 288,790 CLAM were dug up and 220,268 CLAM were staked for a total of 509,057 CLAM
13:09:28 INFO: Just-Dice's onsite bankroll of 356,036 CLAM represents 69.94% of that amount
13:09:28 INFO: if all the distributed CLAMs were dug up, the total money supply would be 14,994,669 CLAM

It is a concern that relatively few large players hold so much of the CLAM supply. I was talking to somone on JD last night who was being bullish on the price. I warned him that if a few of the big holders decided they want out, the price could fall, triggering panic sells by others. He seemed confident that there are plenty of people looking to buy cheap that a big sell-off would be a good thing. I guess we'll see what happens. Looking at the poloniex market, he's right: there are currently only 2657 CLAM available to buy at any price, and 152 BTC trying to buy them. And I'm still trying to replace the coins that I recently sold:


In addition if we read the whole thread we see the 'honest' Dooglus and his gang of pawns/tools/puppets? go through a hell of a lot of trouble trying to defend himself and discredit anyone criticizing him.


"Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'"
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April 05, 2015, 08:46:23 PM
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The creation of this thread was prompted by this comment https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12156.msg10307877#msg10307877

A good read.  Here's a simplified version of consensus cracking looks like.  Our subject seems well versed in counterintelligence tactics, although using them for profit and coin promotion.  Check out the thread 'Dooglus and his Pawn Arrogant' for more:

I'm in that thread also.   Recently had to report Dooglus and friends for spam in the Goldpieces announcement thread.  He's in their bashing one of our coin users.  Then 'Arrogantx' and 'Cloverme' show up and start doing the same.  Some of the posts are still there.  I look into Arrogantx and Cloverme, they're both heavy posters/supporters of Clam in their backpost content.  I believe Arrogantx is the Arrogant mentioned in the thread.  At any rate, if you're going to invade some thread, and post off topic bullshit, why would you  have your puppets also follow you around and joining in? It's stupid obvious.  Farking WEIRDOS...
But yes, some of the tactics are commonly used by coin pump'n'dumpers, greed is a powerful motivator.

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April 06, 2015, 11:34:39 PM
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Lots of them on 4chan, get payed to derail threads and post lies when people say stuff they don't like..

are there dissidents on 4chan? what section?
Pol mainly, check any anti semite related thread and you will find a ton of them.

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April 07, 2015, 05:50:17 PM
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Here's a simplified version of consensus cracking looks like.  Our subject seems well versed in counterintelligence tactics, although using them for profit and coin promotion.  Check out the thread 'Dooglus and his Pawn Arrogant' for more:

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In addition if we read the whole thread we see the 'honest' Dooglus and his gang of pawns/tools/puppets? go through a hell of a lot of trouble trying to defend himself and discredit anyone criticizing him.

So you think I'm an intelligence operative? I've not heard that one before.

I defended myself because someone was attacking me. Much as I'm doing here, now.

"Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'"

Oh, so I was playing both sides? I came up with a weak attack on myself just so that I could easily defeat it to make myself look better?

That's not what happened. Yes the attack was weak but that's because the attacker was dumb. What would you have done? Allow it to stand uncontested?

I don't use sock puppet accounts. I did make a second account a couple of years ago called "Just-Dice" or some such, but ended up not using it.

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Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

Military's 'sock puppet' software creates fake online identities to spread pro-American propaganda



The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.

A Californian corporation has been awarded a contract with United States Central Command (Centcom), which oversees US armed operations in the Middle East and Central Asia, to develop what is described as an "online persona management service" that will allow one US serviceman or woman to control up to 10 separate identities based all over the world.

The project has been likened by web experts to China's attempts to control and restrict free speech on the internet. Critics are likely to complain that it will allow the US military to create a false consensus in online conversations, crowd out unwelcome opinions and smother commentaries or reports that do not correspond with its own objectives.

The discovery that the US military is developing false online personalities – known to users of social media as "sock puppets" – could also encourage other governments, private companies and non-government organizations to do the same.

The Centcom contract stipulates that each fake online persona must have a convincing background, history and supporting details, and that up to 50 US-based controllers should be able to operate false identities from their workstations "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries".

Centcom spokesman Commander Bill Speaks said: "The technology supports classified blogging activities on foreign-language websites to enable Centcom to counter violent extremist and enemy propaganda outside the US."

He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.

Centcom said it was not targeting any US-based web sites, in English or any other language, and specifically said it was not targeting Facebook or Twitter.

Once developed, the software could allow US service personnel, working around the clock in one location, to respond to emerging online conversations with any number of co-ordinated messages, blogposts, chatroom posts and other interventions. Details of the contract suggest this location would be MacDill air force base near Tampa, Florida, home of US Special Operations Command.

Centcom's contract requires for each controller the provision of one "virtual private server" located in the United States and others appearing to be outside the US to give the impression the fake personas are real people located in different parts of the world.

It also calls for "traffic mixing", blending the persona controllers' internet usage with the usage of people outside Centcom in a manner that must offer "excellent cover and powerful deniability".

The multiple persona contract is thought to have been awarded as part of a programme called Operation Earnest Voice (OEV), which was first developed in Iraq as a psychological warfare weapon against the online presence of al-Qaida supporters and others ranged against coalition forces. Since then, OEV is reported to have expanded into a $200m programme and is thought to have been used against jihadists across Pakistan, Afghanistan and the Middle East.

OEV is seen by senior US commanders as a vital counter-terrorism and counter-radicalisation programme. In evidence to the US Senate's armed services committee last year, General David Petraeus, then commander of Centcom, described the operation as an effort to "counter extremist ideology and propaganda and to ensure that credible voices in the region are heard". He said the US military's objective was to be "first with the truth".

This month Petraeus's successor, General James Mattis, told the same committee that OEV "supports all activities associated with degrading the enemy narrative, including web engagement and web-based product distribution capabilities".

Centcom confirmed that the $2.76m contract was awarded to Ntrepid, a newly formed corporation registered in Los Angeles. It would not disclose whether the multiple persona project is already in operation or discuss any related contracts.

Nobody was available for comment at Ntrepid.

In his evidence to the Senate committee, Gen Mattis said: "OEV seeks to disrupt recruitment and training of suicide bombers; deny safe havens for our adversaries; and counter extremist ideology and propaganda." He added that Centcom was working with "our coalition partners" to develop new techniques and tactics the US could use "to counter the adversary in the cyber domain".

According to a report by the inspector general of the US defence department in Iraq, OEV was managed by the multinational forces rather than Centcom.

Asked whether any UK military personnel had been involved in OEV, Britain's Ministry of Defence said it could find "no evidence". The MoD refused to say whether it had been involved in the development of persona management programmes, saying: "We don't comment on cyber capability."

OEV was discussed last year at a gathering of electronic warfare specialists in Washington DC, where a senior Centcom officer told delegates that its purpose was to "communicate critical messages and to counter the propaganda of our adversaries".

Persona management by the US military would face legal challenges if it were turned against citizens of the US, where a number of people engaged in sock puppetry have faced prosecution.

Last year a New York lawyer who impersonated a scholar was sentenced to jail after being convicted of "criminal impersonation" and identity theft.

It is unclear whether a persona management programme would contravene UK law. Legal experts say it could fall foul of the Forgery and Counterfeiting Act 1981, which states that "a person is guilty of forgery if he makes a false instrument, with the intention that he or another shall use it to induce somebody to accept it as genuine, and by reason of so accepting it to do or not to do some act to his own or any other person's prejudice". However, this would apply only if a website or social network could be shown to have suffered "prejudice" as a result.

• This article was amended on 18 March 2011 to remove references to Facebook and Twitter, introduced during the editing process, and to add a comment from Centcom, received after publication, that it is not targeting those sites.

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From 2011:

Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media

He said none of the interventions would be in English, as it would be unlawful to "address US audiences" with such technology, and any English-language use of social media by Centcom was always clearly attributed. The languages in which the interventions are conducted include Arabic, Farsi, Urdu and Pashto.

Persona management by the US military would face legal challenges if it were turned against citizens of the US, where a number of people engaged in sock puppetry have faced prosecution.

From 2013:

In 2013, the American Congress repealed the formal ban against the deployment of propaganda against U.S. citizens living on American soil. So there’s even less to constrain propaganda than before.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-23/propagandists-use-automated-software-spread-disinformation

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