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February 04, 2015, 10:05:22 PM
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Silk Road Mastermind Ross Ulbricht Convicted of All 7 Charges

A jury has spoken, and the mask is off: Ross Ulbricht has been convicted of being the Dread Pirate Roberts, secret mastermind of the Silk Road online narcotics empire.

On Wednesday, less than a month after his trial began in a downtown Manhattan courtroom, 30-year-old Ulbricht was convicted of all seven crimes he was charged with, including narcotics and money laundering conspiracies and a “kingpin” charge usually reserved for mafia dons and drug cartel leaders. It took the jury only 3.5 hours to return a verdict. Ulbricht faces a minimum of 30 years in prison; the maximum is life. But Ulbricht’s legal team has said it will appeal the decision, and cited its frequent calls for a mistrial and protests against the judge’s decisions throughout the case.

Full article available: http://www.wired.com/2015/02/silk-road-ross-ulbricht-verdict/

From Popehat (https://www.popehat.com/2013/10/02/the-silk-road-to-federal-prosecution-the-charges-against-ross-ulbricht/), here is the list of charges against Ulbricht.

The New York complaint charges Ulbricht with three crimes:

1. A conspiracy to traffic in narcotics in violation of Title 21, United States Code, section 846. That charge requires proof that (1) that two or more persons agreed to distribute drugs in violation of federal law, and (2) the defendant knew of the agreement, and (3) the defendant intentionally joined the agreement.

2. A "computer hacking conspiracy" in violation of Title 18, United States Code, section 1030(a)(2).2 That charge requires proof that (1) there was an agreement intentionally to access a "protected computer"3 without authorization or in excess of authorization and get information from the "protected computer," (2) the defendant knew about the agreement, (3) the defendant intentionally joined the agreement, (4) somebody committed an "overt act" — some affirmative step — in support of the agreement.4

3. A conspiracy to launder money in violation of Title 18, United States Code, sections 1956(a)(1)(A)(i) and (a)(1)(B)(i). That charge requires proof that (1) the defendant conducted a transaction with money, (2) the money was the proceeds of an unlawful activity specified in the statute (including, for instance, drug trafficking), (3) the defendant knew that the money was the proceeds of that specified unlawful activity, and (4) the defendant intended that the transaction promote the activity or conceal the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the money.

The Maryland indictment charges Ulrich with three crimes:

1. A narcotics trafficking conspiracy, under the same statute discussed above.

2. Attempted murder of a federal witness in violation of Title 18, United States Code, section 1512. That charge requires proof that the defendant (1) attempted to kill a person (2) intending to prevent the person (3) from communicating to federal law enforcement or a federal judge (4) about the commission of a federal crime. The indictment charges Ulbricht as someone who aided and abetted this crime under Title 18, United States Code, section 2; under that theory, if another person commits a federal crime, the defendant is equally guilty if the defendant intentionally "aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures" the commission of the crime.

3. Use of interstate commerce facilities to procure murder-for-hire, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, section 1958. That charge requires proof that the defendant(1) used or caused another to use any facility of interstate or foreign commerce (like the internet); (2) with the intent that a murder be committed; (3) in exchange for something of value.

I believe the seventh charge is the kingpin charge, though I can't find reference to it.

With the murder charge, so much for subscribing to idea of force as illegitimate... The rest of this might have been defensible as victimless crimes if not for attempting to contract the murder of his former partners to keep them from talking to police.

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February 04, 2015, 10:11:40 PM
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The judge had stacked the rules against him from the get-go so it was inevitable in my mind that he'd get convicted of something, if not the whole bag. If my back was against the wall like this and knew how things were going, I'd definitely take a chance and hop on the stand to defend myself. Can't do any worse at that point.
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February 04, 2015, 10:48:03 PM
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The judge had stacked the rules against him from the get-go so it was inevitable in my mind that he'd get convicted of something, if not the whole bag. If my back was against the wall like this and knew how things were going, I'd definitely take a chance and hop on the stand to defend myself. Can't do any worse at that point.

What do you mean by the judge stacking the deck against him? I only marginally followed the court case, it was obvious he was guilty so there was no need to follow it closely. Are you referring to the judge disallowing his "expert" witnesses, or was there other conduct?

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February 04, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
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I am surprised that Andreas Antonopoulos was not even allowed to speak !!!

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February 04, 2015, 11:33:57 PM
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It's awful that in a system where everyone is innocent until proven guilty a judge can ban evidence that helps support the accused's innocence.

I mean, the guy isn't completely innocent, but he's not guilty of all the charges. Hopefully there's some good that can come out of this (like the good that has come out of Snowden's work.)

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February 05, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
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Poor guy is gonna spend the rest of his life with rapists and murderers.. He's gonna get so destroyed in there =(

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February 05, 2015, 01:02:22 AM
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Poor Ross. He should have admitted right from the start that he easily could be guilty of all that, long before it went to a jury trial. And he still can do this.

Why would he want to admit guilt? Because he also would admit that he doesn't understand the codes and laws. The codes and the laws are written in legal language, a language that he doesn't understand, and so he can't be damaged by them.

He still can require as a man to face his human accuser. If nobody comes forward to show harm or damage done by Ross, the conviction doesn't apply to Ross. But he has to step forward and say it, not being represented, not representing himself, but present... maybe fire his attorneys first.

If he doesn't do this, he is self convicting of harm and damage that he never did. He is essentially stating that he knows and understands that the codes and laws apply to him and that he knows what they mean, and that he willfully disobeyed them, even if he says it differently under the representation of attorneys.

On the other hand, government might pay him a big bundle to stay guilty. It makes their codes and laws look stronger in the face of people. After all, it doesn't have anything to do with controlling the Internet and Bitcoin. It has to do with enslaving the people.

http://recordings.talkshoe.com/TC-127469/TS-939473.mp3

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February 05, 2015, 01:51:08 AM
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The judge had stacked the rules against him from the get-go so it was inevitable in my mind that he'd get convicted of something, if not the whole bag. If my back was against the wall like this and knew how things were going, I'd definitely take a chance and hop on the stand to defend myself. Can't do any worse at that point.

What do you mean by the judge stacking the deck against him? I only marginally followed the court case, it was obvious he was guilty so there was no need to follow it closely. Are you referring to the judge disallowing his "expert" witnesses, or was there other conduct?
Yeah, pretty much things like that. Normally, the judge curbs what the prosecution can bring to the table as some of it could be irrelevant to the particular charges against the defendant yet allows some leeway for the defense to make a better case for someone who's freedom is on the line, especially here when he's facing 20 yrs to life when he's sentenced on May 30th. I don't have a timeline of what was allowed or not but numerous times the judge blocked evidence and testimony that would've helped Ross' cause so undoubtedly there'll be an appeal filed because of how one-sided things were for the defense. Imagine how vulnerable one would feel seeing how the tables were being stacked against you turning this ultimately into a kangaroo court.
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February 05, 2015, 10:32:39 AM
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So like most of Wired, I was rooting for Ulbricht, and thought him innocent. But I think with the exception of a few of us on the fringes, we can all admit he's probably guilty, the evidence is truly overwhelming. That being said.....

The judge's refusal to at least create a fair trial is an embarrassment, and just exposes the governments true agenda. You could tell that the defense realized quickly that they weren't going to get a fair shot, because they stopped fighting the injustices. I mean what judge in their right mind, lets the prosecution read a chat log about a murder for hire when the defendant isn't even being tried for that in this case? Yet claims that an official interview with DPR was only heresay and was inadmissible?

It was injustice after injustice, all for the sake of scaring the TOR community. A real shame, a fair trial may have yielded different results, or at least would have avoided this blatant violation of our civil justice system.
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February 05, 2015, 11:50:11 AM
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The judge had stacked the rules against him from the get-go so it was inevitable in my mind that he'd get convicted of something, if not the whole bag. If my back was against the wall like this and knew how things were going, I'd definitely take a chance and hop on the stand to defend myself. Can't do any worse at that point.

Let's be honest there's no way he or anyone else could have got himself out of this unless they could sting the feds on a technicality or where they broke the law. He'll appeal whatever he gets but its not looking good for him. He was very silly and niave though.
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February 06, 2015, 03:02:34 PM
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In America, Canada and the U.K., the law is, let your accuser get on the stand and validate that you did wrong through oath or affirmation, speaking it into the record. Wrong doing doesn't include breaking some Law Code of the government except if you have a signed contract to obey that Law Code. Wrongdoing only includes harming a person with actual harm, damaging a person's property with actual damage, or breaking a signed contract where you have explicitly agreed to the terms of the contract.

Millions of Americans are in jail in America simply because they unwittingly and unknowingly made a contract with government when, at their court trial, they affirmed that they were being represented by someone else (usually an attorney) or when they represented themselves. They did no wrong. They harmed nobody. They damaged no property. Nobody got up and accused them on the stand. They simply, accidentally, unknowingly, made a contract. They didn't even know that they made a contract. How can you see that they made a contract by being represented? You can see it in the question, "Why do I need representation? I am present!"

It's a trick, folks. It's a big trick perpetrated by government. When the courts try you under the representation contract, they find you guilty according to their rules, not according to any harm or damage that you may have done. Then they throw you into prison for smoking a joint, or for multitudes of kinds of petty little things that HARMED OR DAMAGED NOBODY.

Government people are way more your common crooks than Ross could ever imagine being even if he happened to be evil incarnate. Why? Because they constantly deny people their rights through ignorance of the law. And then they rob and jail and even murder their victims. And now Ross is one of their victims by this same methodology.

Consider. An attorney is first and foremost an officer of the court. The attorney doesn't owe you anything except that the court tells him he does. When he represents you, this is CONFLICT OF INTEREST. It is the way government is criminally acting against all the people of the land.


The one important word that is destroying our freedom in the courts is REPRESENTATION. If we weren't represented in the courts by an attorney or by ourselves, but rather, if we were present as a man or woman, most of the codes and laws wouldn't apply. Only harm, damage, or breaking a contract (which is harm or damage) would apply to us.

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February 07, 2015, 08:46:55 AM
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Poor guy is gonna spend the rest of his life with rapists and murderers.. He's gonna get so destroyed in there =(

He did try to get people bumped off. So spending time with murderers is something he shouldn't be complaining about.
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February 07, 2015, 11:53:09 AM
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Poor guy is gonna spend the rest of his life with rapists and murderers.. He's gonna get so destroyed in there =(

He did try to get people bumped off. So spending time with murderers is something he shouldn't be complaining about.

Was that the worst crime he commited ?

I think generally murder or the attempt of is considered the worst crime there is, however he has not yet been charged of that. That's for another trial I believe.
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February 09, 2015, 04:12:47 PM
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The judge had stacked the rules against him from the get-go so it was inevitable in my mind that he'd get convicted of something, if not the whole bag. If my back was against the wall like this and knew how things were going, I'd definitely take a chance and hop on the stand to defend myself. Can't do any worse at that point.

What do you mean by the judge stacking the deck against him? I only marginally followed the court case, it was obvious he was guilty so there was no need to follow it closely. Are you referring to the judge disallowing his "expert" witnesses, or was there other conduct?
Yeah, pretty much things like that. Normally, the judge curbs what the prosecution can bring to the table as some of it could be irrelevant to the particular charges against the defendant yet allows some leeway for the defense to make a better case for someone who's freedom is on the line, especially here when he's facing 20 yrs to life when he's sentenced on May 30th. I don't have a timeline of what was allowed or not but numerous times the judge blocked evidence and testimony that would've helped Ross' cause so undoubtedly there'll be an appeal filed because of how one-sided things were for the defense. Imagine how vulnerable one would feel seeing how the tables were being stacked against you turning this ultimately into a kangaroo court.

My understanding is his "expert witnesses" were disallowed because they didn't have credentials that would establish them as experts. I myself don't find this a compelling reason. It's your defense, if you want to put every Tom, Dick, and Harry you can find on the stand as your experts, you should be allowed to. It would be easy for the prosecution to discredit them if they didn't have the credentials anyway. So I don't see the justice in prejudging who can testify. I agree with you completely on this point.

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February 09, 2015, 04:19:02 PM
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In America, Canada and the U.K., the law is, let your accuser get on the stand and validate that you did wrong through oath or affirmation, speaking it into the record. Wrong doing doesn't include breaking some Law Code of the government except if you have a signed contract to obey that Law Code. Wrongdoing only includes harming a person with actual harm, damaging a person's property with actual damage, or breaking a signed contract where you have explicitly agreed to the terms of the contract.



You say some variation of this in every almost every thread I see you comment in about court cases. There's no magic code for beating prosecution: some magic trick of demanding to face your accuser, or making your accuser speak in court, or claiming you didn't agree to a contract not to break the law. This grave misunderstanding of how the court system works makes you look like a simpleton. Stop peddling fantasies!

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February 09, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
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Poor guy is gonna spend the rest of his life with rapists and murderers.. He's gonna get so destroyed in there =(

He did try to get people bumped off. So spending time with murderers is something he shouldn't be complaining about.

Was that the worst crime he commited ?

I think generally murder or the attempt of is considered the worst crime there is, however he has not yet been charged of that. That's for another trial I believe.

I think he was charged with attempted murder in this trial. The Maryland indictment against him includes two charges related to attempted murder: one charge for attempted murder of a federal witness, and another charge for use of interstate commerce to facilitate murder-for-hire.


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Poor guy is gonna spend the rest of his life with rapists and murderers.. He's gonna get so destroyed in there =(

He did try to get people bumped off. So spending time with murderers is something he shouldn't be complaining about.

Was that the worst crime he commited ?

I think generally murder or the attempt of is considered the worst crime there is, however he has not yet been charged of that. That's for another trial I believe.

I think he was charged with attempted murder in this trial. The Maryland indictment against him includes two charges related to attempted murder: one charge for attempted murder of a federal witness, and another charge for use of interstate commerce to facilitate murder-for-hire.



If no human being comes forward with the claim, "Ross threatened me. I want protection and retribution," and verifies it on the stand in open court, it's all hearsay. Ross can get out of it by requiring someone to come forward with a claim of attempted murder, and verify it on the stand.

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February 10, 2015, 06:04:21 PM
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Poor guy is gonna spend the rest of his life with rapists and murderers.. He's gonna get so destroyed in there =(

He did try to get people bumped off. So spending time with murderers is something he shouldn't be complaining about.

Was that the worst crime he commited ?

I think generally murder or the attempt of is considered the worst crime there is, however he has not yet been charged of that. That's for another trial I believe.

I think he was charged with attempted murder in this trial. The Maryland indictment against him includes two charges related to attempted murder: one charge for attempted murder of a federal witness, and another charge for use of interstate commerce to facilitate murder-for-hire.



If no human being comes forward with the claim, "Ross threatened me. I want protection and retribution," and verifies it on the stand in open court, it's all hearsay. Ross can get out of it by requiring someone to come forward with a claim of attempted murder, and verify it on the stand.

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Wow, if only his defense lawyers would have thought of that!  Roll Eyes

They don't need someone to say Ross threatened him when they have all the evidence of him trying to hire a hitman. That's the opposite of hearsay, that's direct evidence. What you're describing is a defense for assault. He wasn't charged with assault, he was charged with attempted murder, and a murder-for-hire plot. Your legal ideas continue to be simplistic.

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Poor guy is gonna spend the rest of his life with rapists and murderers.. He's gonna get so destroyed in there =(

He did try to get people bumped off. So spending time with murderers is something he shouldn't be complaining about.

Was that the worst crime he commited ?

I think generally murder or the attempt of is considered the worst crime there is, however he has not yet been charged of that. That's for another trial I believe.

I think he was charged with attempted murder in this trial. The Maryland indictment against him includes two charges related to attempted murder: one charge for attempted murder of a federal witness, and another charge for use of interstate commerce to facilitate murder-for-hire.



If no human being comes forward with the claim, "Ross threatened me. I want protection and retribution," and verifies it on the stand in open court, it's all hearsay. Ross can get out of it by requiring someone to come forward with a claim of attempted murder, and verify it on the stand.

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Wow, if only his defense lawyers would have thought of that!  Roll Eyes

They don't need someone to say Ross threatened him when they have all the evidence of him trying to hire a hitman. That's the opposite of hearsay, that's direct evidence. What you're describing is a defense for assault. He wasn't charged with assault, he was charged with attempted murder, and a murder-for-hire plot. Your legal ideas continue to be simplistic.

Some of the defense attorneys may have thought of that. But they are disallowed from defending that way by their position as officers of the court and by the judge.

There are several different kinds of courts. Ross is in a civil court hearing. If he fires his attorneys, and stands present as a man, not represented by himself or anyone else, the law is that he needs to be answered by a man/woman who was harmed or damaged.

You and I and the world may know in our hearts that he is guilty of the worst kinds of sins and crimes, but if he stands as a man, drawing the court over into the common law side rather than letting it remain in the civil side, there are a whole different set of rules.

This is standard law in America. He would probably need a friend passing him notes under the table, to be able to stand as a man, present, in a common law court of record.

As I have said many times, start by reading the court cases that "The Secret is most judgments are Void on their face and not merely voidable," at http://voidjudgments.com/. Then you can start to learn how to get all your buddies who are in prison for virtually nothing, out of prison, because it was a void judgment that put them there. They simply didn't know how to swing the court over into the common law.

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The question is how long will he be jailed for it . It looks like he will be put behind bars for life.

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