Isis burns Jordanian Pilot alive

you know there are no numbers. here is a list of wars the united states has been involved in since 1775. ISIS has only been around for a few years. you don't have to be genius to figure out who has killed more people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

and lets not forget about the native americans we killed. the death count is in the millions. they were given blankets infected with smallpox. those that survived with gunned down with machine guns. men women and children. bows and arrows vs heavy artillery.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Indian_Holocaust

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 05:03:40 PM

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 05:10:27 PM

Interesting, so in this case who is the terrorist ? USA or ISIS ?

both US and ISIS are terrorists. but the US is the original terrorist. we go in to other nations and take over land and resources just like the romans and nazis did. the people in the middle east would be content to stay in their own land without interference from the west. we have been invading the east for generations and it's only recently they have started coming to us. the US is the action ISIS is the reaction. and you can't blame them either. if your country was invaded would you bend over and allow it to happen or would you come together and fight to the death?

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 05:15:48 PM

You are fucking delusional. These insane ISIS idiots always wanted to go back the middle agest. They want alandalus back. They are lunatics. Stop the US hate shit. Someone has to keep them constricted.

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 05:15:48 PM

So islam NEVER invaded anyone since its birth? No tribes or cultures were decimated, raped, or turned into slaves? Ever? That is your position?

Let's see what basic 6th grade level history tells us...

Arab slave trade
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Arab slave trade was the practice of slavery in the Arab world, mainly in Western Asia, North Africa, Southeast Africa, the Horn of Africa and certain parts of Europe (such as Iberia and Sicily) beginning during the era of the Arab conquests and continuing through the 19th century.[1] The trade was conducted through slave markets in the Middle East, North Africa and the Horn of Africa, with the slaves captured from Africa's interior.

During the 8th and 9th centuries of the Fatimid Caliphate, most of those enslaved were Saqaliba Europeans captured during wars and along European coastlines.[2] Historians estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken from Europe, Asia and Africa across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert.[citation needed]

Toward the 18th and 19th centuries, the flow of Zanj (Bantu) slaves from Southeast Africa increased with the rise of the Oman sultanate, which was based in Zanzibar in Tanzania. They came into direct trade conflict and competition with Portuguese and other Europeans along the Swahili Coast.[3] The North African Barbary states carried on piracy against European shipping and enslaved thousands of European Christians for ransom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_slave_trade

19th-century European engraving of Arab slave-trading caravan transporting African slaves across the Sahara

did i say they were angels? no. they are not good people. but the US has been invading and killing alot longer than ISIS has and that's a fact you can not dispute. and lets not forget US has enslaved people too. the same people the arabs did. both sides are terrorists. the only difference is the US is a bigger and more successful terrorist.

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 07:31:38 PM

did i say they were angels? no. they are not good people. but the US has been invading and killing alot longer than ISIS has and that's a fact you can not dispute. and lets not forget US has enslaved people too. they are both terrorists. the only difference is the US is a bigger and more successful terrorist.
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Historians estimate that between 650 and 1900, 10 to 18 million people were enslaved by Arab slave traders and taken from Europe, Asia and Africa across the Red Sea, Indian Ocean, and Sahara desert

If you have a problem with facts it will be with History and a very basic knowledge of it. To dislike the USA is one thing. To say the USA is responsible for the misery of north to 20 millions human beings is not reality. Never has been.

I found those facts pretty quickly, and my keyboard does not even glow in the dark...

Cool

look at the link i provided about the native americans. we killed millions of peaceful people for this land. what's your response to that? how is that not terrorism?

Quote from: Wekkel on February 05, 2015, 01:25:31 PM

How horrible is it to be shed into pieces by an F16 bomb (or a drone)? The negatives of war arise on both sides.

Seems like it would be over pretty quickly.

There was no long video/confession for the other captured Jordanian. There is rumor that he would not say what ISIS wanted him to confess to on camera. All that was shown was his severed head next to his body.

Funded by USA and UN nations don't forget!

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 07:56:23 PM

look at the link i provided about the native americans. we have killed just as many if not more. and that's just one war we have been involved in. what's your response to that?

The USA has killed more than 20 millions of native americans? My answer would be for wikipedia to update their pages on your secret facts only. The natives would be surprised to know they had such expansive family.

United States military casualties of war

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualties_of_war

So far USA Vs islam: islam wins in casualties...

Sorry boys...

i find it amusing you discredit the information i provided from wiki but yet you turn around and provide information from the same source.

you are a fool.

This is terrible of course. Did anyone here about the 100 + people who were burnt alive in Odessa Ukraine?

Pregnant woman raped and then burnt alive! This is the US backed Ukraine President's handy work.

There still has been no investigation and no one brought to justice.

also, i like how you failed to explain how invading north america and killing native americans is not terrorism. got no smart ass response for that one huh?

ohh and one more thing. you try to defend the US by saying the arabs killed and enslaved more. that's your argument right?

well, does it really matter who killed and enslaved more? we are both guilty of the same crimes. so explain to me how they are any worse than we are.

go on smart guy, tell me.

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 08:13:01 PM

i find it amusing you discredit the information i provided from wiki but yet you turn around and provide information from the same source.

you are a fool.

I know I am. But you are not... Anyone can see this fact

Wink

Quote from: biscotaste on February 05, 2015, 08:19:26 PM

It's obvious media propaganda, and please note that i am in no way defending what ISIS is doing, but it really is an interesting fact that only selected
news make it to mainstream tv, and it's always USA-s number 1 enemy.

ISIS is made of low number of fanatics who misinterpret Quran, don't see why USA is trying to fight globally against them, its over expensive unless there are,
once again, some hidden agendas, like there were with war in Iraq.

Sad to see that man die in such a horrible way, altho it seams that he died standing tall and proud from what i could tell from video.

Quote from: Wilikon on February 05, 2015, 08:34:55 PM

I know I am. But you are not... Anyone can see this fact

Wink

dodging hard questions with humor and picking and choosing your battles huh? smells like fail to me.

Quote from: WEB slicer on February 05, 2015, 08:24:13 PM

Man! Now I know why your keyboard is glowing blue... Must be red right now... Cheesy

Anyway, I do not understand why you need to take anything I tell you so personally. Health first! You can simply dismiss anything I say and keep believing anything you say. Life is that simple. This is the internet.

You were obviously totally, amazingly, abysmally wrong about stating islam brought misery to way, way, way less people than the USA. Do I defend the USA? No. No more than a useless fight for the right of 2+2 to be 5. Facts are facts.

Now you can come back and tell me death is death and no one cares who was a slave and by whom. If that is the case why would you care how many native indians the USA have killed then, if it is all the same to you? You may feel guilty of crimes through what your ancestors did to native americans, but not me. I have ZERO feeling of guilt whatsoever.

Relax. Have a glass of water. You can call me a fool all day long if that will make you feel better. I'll be watching a new episode of lilyhammer on Netflix while you try to reply back to me. Pretty cool show to watch, with a glass of hot chocolate in your hands.

Do you have Netflix?
It's a USA based company...

dude said i was delusional. then you started debating me. challenge accepted.

quote me where i said islam brought less misery to people than the US. go on, quote me. ohh wait, you can't. cause i never said that. i never mentioned religion. nor did i mention who has caused more misery. i said we have taken more lives than ISIS and we are also terrorists. if you want to debate me fine but don't twist my words.

i don't feel any guilt for the crimes of my ancestors. but you can't be ignorant of what we did in the past. your average american is not very smart. they believe what the TV tells them and their average response is drop bombs on all of them. i find that ignorant. i also think it's incredibly hypocritical to judge others for the very same crimes we have committed. as far as i see it we are all the same.

i don't do netflix. i prefer torrents. why pay for something that is available for free?