Dread Pirate Roberts Killed 5 men?

[noma]

He "tried" to kill 5 men. So no.

Well thats not right. You can't say he tried. Say a boss of a company hires a hitman to kill the boss of asnother company , but the hitman was caught. Now, you can't say that he didn't have the intention to. He will definitely be arrested for it.

[BTCreward]

It's very confusing because the murder for hire isn't even really part of this trial. that trial will be in Maryland next, but some info has been made public via the chats that the government used to convict DPR of all the other shit.

Ross faces a separate trial for allegedly hiring a hitman to try to kill a former staff member of Silk Road, turned police informant.

The other people that Ross tried to kill likely do not even exist. He was scammed

[BADecker]

Ross isn't like this. If he really did it, they were doing the same, or they were ripping him off. It was a form of self-defense in areas where standard law enforcement could not reach... kinda like the old West shootout, but in a much more hidden, complicated fashion.

[MarihuanaStocks]

Not DPR killed, or ordered to kill 5 men. The state restrictions did it! Otherwise DPR could be a respected businessman. Like the alkohol prohibition only feed the mafia, so do drug restrictions.

Not the mexican mafia kills people, the state restrictions kill them. Not their cruelity makes them rich, it is...again...the state

[BigGameCAsino]

According to the transcript here http://bitforum.info/t/silk-road-boss-ordered-assassination-of-5-people/217/1

DPR asked a Hells Angels member (which is pretty cool) to kill 5 men. If there's any follow up on this story please post the link so that I can follow.

 

Hell's Angels are a bunch of pussies who are working with couple of dozen men just to operate

[medUSA]

I wasn't sure DPR ordered a hit before. After reading a transcript, it does seem likely. I don't even know if the guy in question did really die. Is the whole conversation staged to scare him out?

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(Source: http://bitforum.info/t/silk-road-boss-ordered-assassination-of-5-people/217)

Ross faces a separate trial for allegedly hiring a hitman to try to kill a former staff member of Silk Road, turned police informant.

Have you got any links to this? Is this former staff member the above guy or a different person?

[Rampton]

I wasn't sure DPR ordered a hit before. After reading a transcript, it does seem likely. I don't even know if the guy in question did really die. Is the whole conversation staged to scare him out?

No, no one died but the feds mocked up some photos to show that he'd been 'killed'. The people who he was talking to trying to organize the hits were also police informants.

[medUSA]

No, no one died but the feds mocked up some photos to show that he'd been 'killed'. The people who he was talking to trying to organize the hits were also police informants.

Lol, so "RedandWhite" in the transcript is an informant and DPR is basically talking to the cops. Will be difficult to get off this attempted murder charge.

[lophie]

There is no way they will find a connection that couldn't have been "faked". I mean Dread Pirate Roberts is highly assumed to own tens folds what they had confiscated from him. See "assumed" because there is no possibly way to pinpoint an address to him unless they find the wallet that includes the private keys for that account AND break its encryption.

and I personally I don't think he had done or hired people for such thing. Governments love to link everything to everything in people eyes but meditating small scale drug trades is way way different than murder. A person capable of the first does not mean he is capable at the other, maybe vice versa..... though.

[Stedsm]

Allegedly*

[TheGame]

Allegedly*

You could add allegedly infront of all his charges but in my opinion I think the power just went to his head and he's guilty of all charges.

[BADecker]

And it doesn't matter if he is guilty of all charges IF WE DON'T HAVE PROOF. If nobody was harmed or damaged, what's the difference.

If you go out on your own property, and chop down a tree with an ax, and it doesn't harm anyone, who should care what you do on your property with your tree?

We have a bunch of hearsay that Ross did something wrong. Yet nobody is willing to come forward and say, "Ross hurt me. Here is what he did to me. Here is the evidence that it was Ross who did it to me. And here is the witness that saw Ross do it to me."

Nobody did this, came forward like this. Such a thing is not pressed into the court record. All there is, is evidence that he might have harmed somebody. "Might have" does not cut it.

Guilty of doing all kinds of things, yes. Just like you and I are guilty of breathing and operating computers. Since nobody is claiming harm or damage, there is no crime. Ross should be freed. It is the basic law of the land in America.

[Brooker]

And it doesn't matter if he is guilty of all charges IF WE DON'T HAVE PROOF. If nobody was harmed or damaged, what's the difference.

If you go out on your own property, and chop down a tree with an ax, and it doesn't harm anyone, who should care what you do on your property with your tree?

Go tell that to the governments who make the laws. Money laundering and tax evasion surely seem like they're hurting the IRS so that's what they'll argue, and there's also the attempted murder plot (though I know this wasn't relevant to this trial).

[BADecker]

And it doesn't matter if he is guilty of all charges IF WE DON'T HAVE PROOF. If nobody was harmed or damaged, what's the difference.

If you go out on your own property, and chop down a tree with an ax, and it doesn't harm anyone, who should care what you do on your property with your tree?

Go tell that to the governments who make the laws. Money laundering and tax evasion surely seem like they're hurting the IRS so that's what they'll argue, and there's also the attempted murder plot (though I know this wasn't relevant to this trial).

The USA government and the States governments are being told more and more by people who are using law the way Karl Lentz uses it - http://www.broadmind.org/ and http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/ and http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/.

The theory is here http://1215.org/.

The points of law are here http://voidjudgments.com/.

Karl uses it all in the simplest, most effective way around. Karl says, "It's so simple it's scary."

[BillyBobZorton]

If its true that he really was involved within hitmen shit then you know whats coming. I dont even give a shit about him avoiding taxes but hitmen? cmon.

[BADecker]

If its true that he really was involved within hitmen shit then you know whats coming. I dont even give a shit about him avoiding taxes but hitmen? cmon.

Most of us don't like the idea of anything like hitmen, myself included.

In Ross's case, we are looking at a world without government. Ross was acting as a free man, in an area of the world where governments have little control or say. In such a world, what is the government? Isn't it a man's own word? Isn't it community punishment for wrongdoing by anybody in that system?

What is Ross supposed to do in a case where he is harmed or damaged by that kind of a system? The U.S. government is trying to make a case against him for operating in a system where they are not allowed, generally. They are doing it so that they can get his money, and so that they can make an example out of him to scare other people into remaining in the government system. Why do they want people to remain in the government system? So that they can systematically rape them through taxation.

Does anyone remember the Old West in America? Often the law of the land was kill or be killed. People wore guns and used them. There were shootouts in the streets. There often wasn't any law enforcement officer to keep the peace. People kept their own peace through personal force.

This is the kind of land Ross was in. This is the kind of land that Tor invites. This is where Bitcoin operates because it promotes freedom. Now, the government is trying to take away freedom. Ross was only acting in self-defense in the only way you can in a free land, if he hired hitmen. Generally, America is NOT a free land, and hasn't been for a long time.

If the government didn't have their own agenda, if they were acting justly, they would take into account that they weren't there to protect Ross when he hired hitmen. So Ross had to protect himself and his property in the only way he could.

[scv00]

And it doesn't matter if he is guilty of all charges IF WE DON'T HAVE PROOF. If nobody was harmed or damaged, what's the difference.

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I'm waiting until after the second trial is over before I make up my mind. Lets see what evidence they use in court in addition to what we already know.

[ivonna]

No, no one died but the feds mocked up some photos to show that he'd been 'killed'. The people who he was talking to trying to organize the hits were also police informants.

Lol, so "RedandWhite" in the transcript is an informant and DPR is basically talking to the cops. Will be difficult to get off this attempted murder charge.

I believe that "redandWhite" is actually a con artist who was able to scam DPR out of several hundred thousand dollars worth of bitcoin. There was no evidence that any of the hits actually took place

[moriartybitcoin]

I don't think he had anyone killed or even tried to.  It was just a smear campaign to influence the jury, obviously.

[bitllionaire]

I only knew that last one he had ordered and was sumilated by fbi