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February 11, 2015, 04:48:01 PM
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https://www.battleforthenet.com/

It says "The most important FCC vote of our lifetime is about to happen."

Thought my fellow bitcoin users would find this important.



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February 11, 2015, 04:51:53 PM
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Of course it has an affect.. NK is the opposite of net neutrality and thanks to it Bitcoin can't work within NK. Thats why need alternatives like MAID.
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February 11, 2015, 04:58:05 PM
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I think it is huge. I am divesting 50% if we lose net neutrality. The idea of your bitcoin decisions being approved by your ISP is disturbing.  If I owned an ISP it may be tempting to charge a fee for using your BTC client. Or barring BTC sites, or only offer their own private crypto-money.

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February 11, 2015, 08:39:14 PM
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The idea of your bitcoin decisions being approved by your ISP is disturbing.

The idea that Bitcoin depends on ISPs centrally controlled entities is much more disturbing.
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February 11, 2015, 08:43:31 PM
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The idea of your bitcoin decisions being approved by your ISP is disturbing.

The idea that Bitcoin depends on ISPs centrally controlled entities is much more disturbing.
Agreed. I don't want a cable company to be that authority. Remember the original promise of cable? "Never watch a commercial again!" Pffft, cable now has more commercials than commercial TV. Imagine how well taken care of we would be under their authority. 

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February 11, 2015, 08:49:59 PM
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The idea of your bitcoin decisions being approved by your ISP is disturbing.

The idea that Bitcoin depends on ISPs centrally controlled entities is much more disturbing.

Can an ISP decrypt an encoded packet transferring bitcoin or related info ? Cant we just add a level of encryption in our clients (if it is not already there) and bypass the chance of their snooping ?
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February 11, 2015, 08:51:24 PM
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Agreed.

Well, my point was that it's time to find a solution that would let us to stop even to care if there is Net Neutrality or not...

@All: Gentlemen, we can:
1. Keep talking
2. Start doing something

What is your choice?
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February 11, 2015, 08:55:28 PM
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Can an ISP decrypt an encoded packet transferring bitcoin or related info ?

Not sure about now but in the future they will be able to do it for sure (if they even need to).
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February 11, 2015, 08:55:37 PM
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The idea of your bitcoin decisions being approved by your ISP is disturbing.

The idea that Bitcoin depends on ISPs centrally controlled entities is much more disturbing.

Can an ISP decrypt an encoded packet transferring bitcoin or related info ? Cant we just add a level of encryption in our clients (if it is not already there) and bypass the chance of their snooping ?

They cannot decrypt it, but they can prevent it's transmission.

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February 11, 2015, 08:57:17 PM
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Anyone interested in the freedom to exchange information unmolested should consider investing in the future of wireless mesh network technology.

Yes, this is what I had in mind.
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February 11, 2015, 09:02:04 PM
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The idea of your bitcoin decisions being approved by your ISP is disturbing.

The idea that Bitcoin depends on ISPs centrally controlled entities is much more disturbing.

Can an ISP decrypt an encoded packet transferring bitcoin or related info ? Cant we just add a level of encryption in our clients (if it is not already there) and bypass the chance of their snooping ?

They cannot decrypt it, but they can prevent it's transmission.

If they cant decrypt, how will they know whether the packet contains bitcoin that you are sending to me or a message that Obama is sending to Putin ?
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February 11, 2015, 09:02:17 PM
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Agreed.

Well, my point was that it's time to find a solution that would let us to stop even to care if there is Net Neutrality or not...

@All: Gentlemen, we can:
1. Keep talking
2. Start doing something

What is your choice?
Oh I'm a doer alright. I have my own plans for using bitcoin even in a "great firewall" world. It can be done of course. But it will greatly hurt the adoption of bitcoin if you have to be a hacker to use it. But your point about finding a solution that works with or without neutrality is a good goal. It's what i like about our situation now. No one can really do anything about bitcoin whatever they think of it.  

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February 11, 2015, 09:09:24 PM
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The idea of your bitcoin decisions being approved by your ISP is disturbing.

The idea that Bitcoin depends on ISPs centrally controlled entities is much more disturbing.

Can an ISP decrypt an encoded packet transferring bitcoin or related info ? Cant we just add a level of encryption in our clients (if it is not already there) and bypass the chance of their snooping ?

They cannot decrypt it, but they can prevent it's transmission.

Yes, but only if they can notice it.  As Adam Back says (in a different context) 'at the margins, steganography wins.'

The trouble is that while onion routing and such decreases the payload by a factor of in the single digits, steganography will do so at a much higher factor.  For this reason I don't give two shits about what the theoretical capacity of a consumer-grade network connection might be for the purposes of supporting a distributed crypto-currency.

I do expect that at some point within my lifetime (which corresponds to how long I want my BTC stash to be usable) it will be policy to block any crypto which does not include a government accessible back-door.  It's only due to the monumental efforts of the cypherpunk folks back in the 90's that we don't live under such a world today as I read things.


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February 11, 2015, 09:53:09 PM
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The quoted article states that we cannot read the proposed regulation until after the vote. That seems a little unfair.

http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/10/the-fcc-bickers-as-its-net-neutrality-vote-looms/

FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai held a press conference during which he repeatedly dinged the FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler for not releasing the more than 300-page proposal in question ahead of the vote. The proposal contains just eight pages of regulation.
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