There was no Big Bang, Truth shall set you free!!!!

[the joint]

IF there is no center cause space and time are infinite.  dark matter is never ending.  Meaning there is life just like us or quite different then us.  God created seperate beings the proof is the different species on our planet.

Uh...no.  None of these thoughts necessarily lead to any other.  These are all just random statements that in no way can be inferred from the others.  You just randomly drew some dots and started connecting them willy-nilly.   It's about as random as saying, "He didn't say hello to me, so he obviously wants to kill me."

[nsimmons]

Here's the paper itself
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.3093v3.pdf

My problem is, if the universe is infinite, why has it not reached a state of maximum entropy? Why have the stars not all burnt out and all matter dispersed completely.

Many stars did Die out, dont you read?

No dumb ass, if the universe had been around forever, we wouldn't have third gen stars now, we'd be on nth generation stars constructed from what little matter could coalesce. When taken to infinity no matter could combine, it would be too spread out. I read the paper and understand it.

Do you?

[BitNerd]

I think God must exist in both alternatives, whether the universe had or not a beginning.

If the universe had a beginning then it has a spaceless and timeless cause (God)

If the universe didn't begin to exist, then the entropy would already have turned all matter into a dead homogeneous thing unless there is interference from something timeless and immaterial (God) to keep the order of the universe.

The universe itself is a closed system and as such it tends to chaos over time. If the past is infinite and God does not exist, then the universe would have to be 100% homogeneous, and it's not.

Plus, I also think if the big bang happened, the universe would be a perfectly symmetric expanding agglomeration of energy, it would never have formed atoms, galaxies, etc unless something non-material caused them to form.

I have no specific religion, I'm just using logic.

[thirdprize]

As i see it, no one knows where the stuff in black holes goes and no one knows where everything came from in the big bang.  In both cases you have to potentially explain away whole universes worth of matter.  Why can't a black hole in one dimension be connected to a big bang in another.  What gets sucked down one, gets spewed out the other.  I see it like a big multi-dimensional lava lamp with the blobs merging and splitting off.

Nowt to do with god, though the thought of all this coming from nothing is about as believable as the bloke with the white beard.

[BillyBobZorton]

The Big Bang happened in 2009 and was triggered by Satoshi Nakamoto.

[BADecker]

The Big Bang happened in 2009 and was triggered by Satoshi Nakamoto.

Naw. That was the Bit Boin.   

[spazzdla]

Space time does not exist....

Do you even research moromen?

[maku]

I doubt that any breaking news about beginning of our universe or nature of the Space itself is important for average Joe. People do not care about how old is our world, how long it will take to travel to another galaxy and shit like that. They just want to live here and now. Theories like that are only good for scientists who gets paid for inventing new shit like that.

[Come-from-Beyond]

I think God must exist in both alternatives, whether the universe had or not a beginning.

Don't tell Me what I must or must not do.

[MrTeal]

Here's the paper itself
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.3093v3.pdf

My problem is, if the universe is infinite, why has it not reached a state of maximum entropy? Why have the stars not all burnt out and all matter dispersed completely.

Many stars did Die out, dont you read?

also suns are born and become something else. one of our stars can become a black hole, and everything gets taken into it, when it goes to its parth. our galaxy is young, Thats what this tells me.  We havent got to the age of nearby suns turning to a black hole quite yet.  Once it does, Im sure god has other plans for us and more life somewhere else in his infinite space. 

Nearby stars won't become black holes (as ours won't), they're not massive enough.

His point is that over time entropy increases. Stars fuse hydrogen into other elements, radiate out energy, and eventually become degenerate. Eventually the universe reaches a point of maximum entropy. In an unending universe without a beginning that has existed forever, how is it possible for a system we know is increasing in entropy to not have reached maximum entropy?

[BADecker]

Here's the paper itself
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.3093v3.pdf

My problem is, if the universe is infinite, why has it not reached a state of maximum entropy? Why have the stars not all burnt out and all matter dispersed completely.

Many stars did Die out, dont you read?

also suns are born and become something else. one of our stars can become a black hole, and everything gets taken into it, when it goes to its parth. our galaxy is young, Thats what this tells me.  We havent got to the age of nearby suns turning to a black hole quite yet.  Once it does, Im sure god has other plans for us and more life somewhere else in his infinite space. 

Nearby stars won't become black holes (as ours won't), they're not massive enough.

His point is that over time entropy increases. Stars fuse hydrogen into other elements, radiate out energy, and eventually become degenerate. Eventually the universe reaches a point of maximum entropy. In an unending universe without a beginning that has existed forever, how is it possible for a system we know is increasing in entropy to not have reached maximum entropy?

When current theory doesn't take into account, the states of electric plasma in the universe, how can theory come close to what actually is happening? One of the most important observations is that some stars that are too far apart to react with each other gravitationally, often DO react with each other for some reason. The ways that they react fit descriptions and theories of electric plasma reactions, reactions which are 10x or more stronger than gravitational reactions at times.

Regarding entropy, simple mechanical entropy can be relatively easy to understand. We can see it in the action of a swinging pendulum. Since entropy exists all around us, what about the entropy of time itself? How about the entropy in the reproductive cycles of plants, animals and humans?

Seems to me that as we come closer to a state of complete entropy in the universe, all the matter and energy would be spread evenly throughout all of space. Perhaps material entropy would attempt to reach this state sooner, but would be held back by the slower entropy of gravity and electromagnetism. This might cause the upheavals that we see - which we interpret as the birth of stars, etc.  Such differing rates of entropy might cause the universe to remain in existence much longer than expected when viewing simple mechanical entropy alone.

If you add the entropy of time and the other dimensions into the mix, who can tell what we are really observing? We don't have the ability to determine if there are an infinite number of dimensions, or how whatever dimensions exist react with each other entropy-wise. We know so little about our universe.

[Indefinitely]

OP isn't very wise. If the Big Bang never happened and this theory was right, then that would be a severe blow to the existence of the Abrahamic God, OP, which I know you severely believe in. Read the full article here: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

A eternal universe would be that there is no beginning and there will be never be an end, ending the notion that there is a beginning and end to all things, as said in the religious text, while also eliminating the Abrahamic God from the picture.

[BADecker]

OP isn't very wise. If the Big Bang never happened and this theory was right, then that would be a severe blow to the existence of the Abrahamic God, OP, which I know you severely believe in. Read the full article here: http://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html

A eternal universe would be that there is no beginning and there will be never be an end, ending the notion that there is a beginning and end to all things, as said in the religious text, while also eliminating the Abrahamic God from the picture.

Perhaps OP doesn't have a correct view. It is very difficult to come to correct conclusions about things so far reaching. However...

God exists in eternity. Perhaps in some ways the universe is eternal, as well.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was formless and void."

The Hebrew word that the word "was" comes from can be interpreted as "became."

There was a war in Heaven, the Revelation tells us. It doesn't say when. Much of the Revelation covers times other than the end. The war was between the angels that followed the devil, and the angels that followed God, led by the Archangel Michael.

It may just be that this war in heaven is what made the earth become formless and empty. "And the earth became formless and void." The material of the universe coalesced together, into a ball that was considered as the earth by God. The beginning would be the original beginning of the type of material and energy in our universe. The 6 days of creation would be God remaking it better than it had been before.

In the creation 6 days, if you read it slowly, you will see that the separations of the waters that are below the "firmament" (the sky) from the waters above could easily be the thing that put the materials into the sky, materials that God later turned into the sun, moon and stars.

[Come-from-Beyond]

His point is that over time entropy increases. Stars fuse hydrogen into other elements, radiate out energy, and eventually become degenerate. Eventually the universe reaches a point of maximum entropy. In an unending universe without a beginning that has existed forever, how is it possible for a system we know is increasing in entropy to not have reached maximum entropy?

You forgot that the 2nd law of thermodynamics doesn't work all the time. In an unending universe there is infinite number of moments when the entropy goes below the maximum. We live in one of such moments.

[BADecker]

His point is that over time entropy increases. Stars fuse hydrogen into other elements, radiate out energy, and eventually become degenerate. Eventually the universe reaches a point of maximum entropy. In an unending universe without a beginning that has existed forever, how is it possible for a system we know is increasing in entropy to not have reached maximum entropy?

You forgot that the 2nd law of thermodynamics doesn't work all the time. In an unending universe there is infinite number of moments when the entropy goes below the maximum. We live in one of such moments.

No matter how much weird math says that the 2nd Law doesn't work all the time, we don't see any evidence of the 2nd Law not working, even a little.

[Come-from-Beyond]

No matter how much weird math says that the 2nd Law doesn't work all the time, we don't see any evidence of the 2nd Law not working, even a little.

We observe this for a too short period of time.

[BADecker]

No matter how much weird math says that the 2nd Law doesn't work all the time, we don't see any evidence of the 2nd Law not working, even a little.

We observe this for a too short period of time.

That's one of the reasons we did atom and hydrogen bomb tests. We were speeding up time in the sense of making hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of years worth of reactions all at once. Still no observable deviation from the 2nd Law.

[Come-from-Beyond]

That's one of the reasons we did atom and hydrogen bomb tests. We were speeding up time in the sense of making hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of years worth of reactions all at once. Still no observable deviation from the 2nd Law.

How does this speed up time?

[BADecker]

That's one of the reasons we did atom and hydrogen bomb tests. We were speeding up time in the sense of making hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of years worth of reactions all at once. Still no observable deviation from the 2nd Law.

How does this speed up time?

We're sorry you are having troubles.

The multitudes of "wild" reactions in nuclear bomb explosions, simulate many years worth of reactions in nature.

Since your idea of not enough time, is really the idea of not enough reactions, the numerous reactions in nuclear bomb explosions, simulate in a much shorter time period, the numbers of reactions at regular speed in nature over a much longer time. No 2nd Law deviations observed.

[Come-from-Beyond]

We're sorry you are having troubles.

The multitudes of "wild" reactions in nuclear bomb explosions, simulate many years worth of reactions in nature.

Since your idea of not enough time, is really the idea of not enough reactions, the numerous reactions in nuclear bomb explosions, simulate in a much shorter time period, the numbers of reactions at regular speed in nature over a much longer time. No 2nd Law deviations observed.

This means only that it was still not enough time. Statistics says that the 2nd law must be violated time to time. If the universe is endless then this already happened infinite number of times.