There was no Big Bang, Truth shall set you free!!!!

[organofcorti]

I don't think they all say that, otherwise what would be the point of hell?

Hell and Heaven are defining points. It's impossible to have a scale with one point only.

Also, there is such thing as apocatastasis. It's another proof that we will all be in Heaven, even Satan.

I'm pretty sure I've read rants by the Westboro Baptist Church promising Hell for gays and unbelievers. Are you saying they're wrong? And if they are wrong, how do you decide which Christian sect is correct?

[nextgencoin]

If I'm wrong I have Oblivion, If your wrong you have possibly eternal Judgement.

If clerics say the truth then we shouldn't worry about Judgement day. We'll all go to Heaven because God loves us.

You basing your idea of God and I guess the Christian faith on chick flicks. You might want to ask the question again assuming you don't understand the faith you are critiquing. The fact is if God is God he can do what the hell he wants, so forming a concept of God based on your ideas is silly. If God said only left handed people go to Heaven then that would be how it rolls, cause he's God. God cannot in the Christian faith as a holy god simply bring into him those not made holy. What do think the whole Jewish idea of the slaughtered animals and then the real sacrifice of Christ is about. The Christian faith simply tells us God will reject those who have rejected him.


Seriously name another religion that predicted something would happen hundreds of years later and it did.

[coric]

Are you on crack? Seriously we are debating the origins of the Universe and you are comparing the originator or the BigBang as in the same realm as the source of Lightening. Seriously if you want a debate lay off the dumbjuice.

The Babylonians predated the Abrahamic God? Seriously? More crack. You are saying the origins of something are dated from the time we have recorded sources. Shit. So I guess Oxygen which was only 'discovered' and recorded was when Oxygen was started. Before we all simply died within a few minutes. In the words of Homer Simpson Dohhh!

Anymore embarrassing statements and you are dismissed from this adult debate.

So you need to be on crack to understand the most basic logic analysis? What else should you use in order to date any myth and religion but its recorded sources? Its own claim taken own face value? If yes, then there were buddhas billions of years before your god created your world, and you lose spectacularly.

[nsimmons]

Seriously name another religion that predicted something would happen hundreds of years later and it did.

None. I win.

[nextgencoin]

I don't think they all say that, otherwise what would be the point of hell?

Hell and Heaven are defining points. It's impossible to have a scale with one point only.

Also, there is such thing as apocatastasis. It's another proof that we will all be in Heaven, even Satan.

I'm pretty sure I've read rants by the Westboro Baptist Church promising Hell for gays and unbelievers. Are you saying they're wrong? And if they are wrong, how do you decide which Christian sect is correct?

Ok so you might be happier about Hell for Pedofiles or mass murderers? Firstly Hell is debated by believers but generally you might want to avoid it even if it is just eternal separation from God and knowing you could of been with him.

No as a Believer all men have fallen from the perfection of God. So gays, pedofiles, murderers are all welcome in Heaven if they repent and believe. No sin I believe will condem you but also even believers will be judged for the good they did. Trust me God is way more gracious than humans ever could be. We are the first to bay for blood when we are wronged. God came as a man to earth, I think that shows his compassion and desire to bring all men to himself.

[organofcorti]

Seriously name another religion that predicted something would happen hundreds of years later and it did.

HG Wells predicted that man would go to the moon, and we did. So did Bitcoin (does that count as twice?).

[nextgencoin]

Are you on crack? Seriously we are debating the origins of the Universe and you are comparing the originator or the BigBang as in the same realm as the source of Lightening. Seriously if you want a debate lay off the dumbjuice.

The Babylonians predated the Abrahamic God? Seriously? More crack. You are saying the origins of something are dated from the time we have recorded sources. Shit. So I guess Oxygen which was only 'discovered' and recorded was when Oxygen was started. Before we all simply died within a few minutes. In the words of Homer Simpson Dohhh!

Anymore embarrassing statements and you are dismissed from this adult debate.

So you need to be on crack to understand the most basic logic analysis? What else should you use in order to date any myth and religion but its recorded sources? Its own claim taken own face value? If yes, then there were buddhas billions of years before your god created your world, and you lose spectacularly.

You know Buddhas was by his own description just a man who claimed no supernatural powers etc..right?

[organofcorti]

I don't think they all say that, otherwise what would be the point of hell?

Hell and Heaven are defining points. It's impossible to have a scale with one point only.

Also, there is such thing as apocatastasis. It's another proof that we will all be in Heaven, even Satan.

I'm pretty sure I've read rants by the Westboro Baptist Church promising Hell for gays and unbelievers. Are you saying they're wrong? And if they are wrong, how do you decide which Christian sect is correct?

Ok so you might be happier about Hell for Pedofiles or mass murderers? Firstly Hell is debated by believers but generally you might want to avoid it even if it is just eternal separation from God and knowing you could of been with him.

No as a Believer all men have fallen from the perfection of God. So gays, pedofiles, murderers are all welcome in Heaven if they repent and believe. No sin I believe will condem you but also even believers will be judged for the good they did. Trust me God is way more gracious than humans ever could be. We are the first to bay for blood when we are wronged. God came as a man to earth, I think that shows his compassion and desire to bring all men to himself.

Huh. I just thought you were religious but now I starting to think you're crazy intolerant too. What have gays ever done to incur your wrath? Why do you hate them and believe they need to repent? Of what do they need to repent? Something bible related?

[nsimmons]

Are you on crack? Seriously we are debating the origins of the Universe and you are comparing the originator or the BigBang as in the same realm as the source of Lightening. Seriously if you want a debate lay off the dumbjuice.

The Babylonians predated the Abrahamic God? Seriously? More crack. You are saying the origins of something are dated from the time we have recorded sources. Shit. So I guess Oxygen which was only 'discovered' and recorded was when Oxygen was started. Before we all simply died within a few minutes. In the words of Homer Simpson Dohhh!

Anymore embarrassing statements and you are dismissed from this adult debate.

So you need to be on crack to understand the most basic logic analysis? What else should you use in order to date any myth and religion but its recorded sources? Its own claim taken own face value? If yes, then there were buddhas billions of years before your god created your world, and you lose spectacularly.

He cant follow a simple analogy, that before scientific discover all natural phenomena was based on a deity. And yes the origins of myth are dates from their historical records. Deities are not natural phenomena, the are myth. They all necessarily can't exist simultaneous, by definition of omnipotence, hence, logically, all are wrong.

[nextgencoin]

Seriously name another religion that predicted something would happen hundreds of years later and it did.

HG Wells predicted that man would go to the moon, and we did. So did Bitcoin (does that count as twice?).

I actually was going to say prophesied, I kind of thought someone might pull me up on using prediction. They are two very very different things.  

[nextgencoin]

Are you on crack? Seriously we are debating the origins of the Universe and you are comparing the originator or the BigBang as in the same realm as the source of Lightening. Seriously if you want a debate lay off the dumbjuice.

The Babylonians predated the Abrahamic God? Seriously? More crack. You are saying the origins of something are dated from the time we have recorded sources. Shit. So I guess Oxygen which was only 'discovered' and recorded was when Oxygen was started. Before we all simply died within a few minutes. In the words of Homer Simpson Dohhh!

Anymore embarrassing statements and you are dismissed from this adult debate.

So you need to be on crack to understand the most basic logic analysis? What else should you use in order to date any myth and religion but its recorded sources? Its own claim taken own face value? If yes, then there were buddhas billions of years before your god created your world, and you lose spectacularly.

He cant follow a simple analogy, that before scientific discover all natural phenomena was based on a deity.

I got he was making an analogy, what I said was it was a ridiculous one to make. 

[organofcorti]

Seriously name another religion that predicted something would happen hundreds of years later and it did.

HG Wells predicted that man would go to the moon, and we did. So did Bitcoin (does that count as twice?).

I actually was going to say prophesied, I kind of thought someone might pull me up on using prediction. They are two very very different things.  

Can you explain the difference?

[nextgencoin]

Seriously name another religion that predicted something would happen hundreds of years later and it did.

HG Wells predicted that man would go to the moon, and we did. So did Bitcoin (does that count as twice?).

I actually was going to say prophesied, I kind of thought someone might pull me up on using prediction. They are two very very different things.  

Can you explain the difference?

Yes. Well in the bible if a prophet talks about a coming messiah who will ride into Jerusalem on a donkey and his name will basically mean 'God among us' then its not the same as I recon this or this might happen based on the situation I see progessing. I mean Nostrodamus, ridiculous and vague as he was, was Prophesying. He didn't say I recon this might happen.


I got to go to bed. its late here.

[nsimmons]

Are you on crack? Seriously we are debating the origins of the Universe and you are comparing the originator or the BigBang as in the same realm as the source of Lightening. Seriously if you want a debate lay off the dumbjuice.

The Babylonians predated the Abrahamic God? Seriously? More crack. You are saying the origins of something are dated from the time we have recorded sources. Shit. So I guess Oxygen which was only 'discovered' and recorded was when Oxygen was started. Before we all simply died within a few minutes. In the words of Homer Simpson Dohhh!

Anymore embarrassing statements and you are dismissed from this adult debate.

So you need to be on crack to understand the most basic logic analysis? What else should you use in order to date any myth and religion but its recorded sources? Its own claim taken own face value? If yes, then there were buddhas billions of years before your god created your world, and you lose spectacularly.

He cant follow a simple analogy, that before scientific discover all natural phenomena was based on a deity.

I got he was making an analogy, what I said was it was a ridiculous one to make. 

You are arguing the god of the gaps fallacy. Study the smallest bit of history or philosophy and you will see this argument made countless times. Aristotle's prime mover. Are you more clever than he was?

The analogy applies and was simple enough that all other posters understood it.
Here's how it works.

Natural phenomena lighting - > without known causal agent - > god
Natural phenomena lighting - > with known causal agent - > static electricity
Natural phenomena inflation theory - > without known causal agent - > god

This is where we are now.

You may find this link useful
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/linguistics-and-philosophy/24-241-logic-i-fall-2009/

[Come-from-Beyond]

I'm pretty sure I've read rants by the Westboro Baptist Church promising Hell for gays and unbelievers. Are you saying they're wrong? And if they are wrong, how do you decide which Christian sect is correct?

Apocatastasis grants salvation to every being. It's irrelevant if they are wrong or right.

[Come-from-Beyond]

The fact is if God is God he can do what the hell he wants.

Can he create a stone that he can't lift? 

[organofcorti]

The fact is if God is God he can do what the hell he wants.

Can he create a stone that he can't lift? 

He probably doesn't want to.

[Come-from-Beyond]

God came as a man to earth, I think that shows his compassion and desire to bring all men to himself.

If Jesus didn't stay dead, how could His death have been a REAL sacrifice?  

[Come-from-Beyond]

He probably doesn't want to.

Let's add "even if he wants" in the end.

[nsimmons]

http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html