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July 25, 2012, 07:56:56 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong.
We can track every single Satoshi to its mining point.
So if we will collect a database of defrauded bitcoins transactions (for example transaction with which someone transferred funds to shop after what shop was stolen and we know that chief cracker/hacker is now using them)

So if we will build public database of bad transaction we can easy check how much percentage of our wallet comes from BTC known to this database.

For example everyone can provide his database. for example DEA can chow as a database of drug related transactions.
We can check how many % of this source money we have or anyone have and do with that knowledge anything.

My point is that bitcoin could easily let us to make mechanism showing

Wallet .... have:
2,9431%    BTC registered by DEA as Silk Road transactions
54,3259%   BTC straight from mining pools
0,1212%     BTC from Korea government (database address)
7,8932%     BTC from personal list of our foes
0,0234%     BTC of charity institutions registered @ database of sth..

and as well we can check someones wallet if he lets us to and for example if he have more than 8% of drug BTC dont deal with him
or do not accept BTC which we know wear at China government etc.

With graphical interface it would be great tool.
What do you think about that?
Is it possible?
Is that good idea?
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July 25, 2012, 08:29:43 PM
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It is easier with paper money.

90% of all dollars have trace amounts of cocaine
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-14/health/cocaine.traces.money_1_cocaine-dollar-bills-paper-bills?_s=PM:HEALTH


So if anyone ever says "If you haven't done anything wrong you shouldn't be worried", remind them that they have possessed and distributed cocaine. Possibly giving cocaine to children.

Following zero tolerance, anyone in position of FRNs should be arrested for drug possession.

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July 25, 2012, 08:31:06 PM
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How do you know coins were stolen, or hacked, or gained by committing a crime? Who makes this determination? You?

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July 25, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
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This thread again?

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July 25, 2012, 09:00:20 PM
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Are you somehow implying that money which was once used for a drug transaction is somehow worth less than money which was not? I dont see the point in this.
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July 25, 2012, 09:38:41 PM
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Just jump forward a few years and mark every category 100%. But who cares? Some of the atoms in your body used to be in the body of a serial murder/rapist. I won't let it affect my view of you. This thread otoh...

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July 25, 2012, 09:39:39 PM
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Following zero tolerance, anyone in position of FRNs should be arrested for drug possession.

Maybe some day soon. Time to drop those rags!

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July 26, 2012, 08:28:30 AM
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How do you know coins were stolen, or hacked, or gained by committing a crime? Who makes this determination? You?

As I said anyone can make his own list and publish it or keep for himself.
I do not want to do anything with that information, just good to know.
In example if there would be some Child Porn Related list and you will have some statistic knowledge that there is 2% of CPR BTC you could check some wallet and see that he have 8% of it so he probably is somewhere close.
What I'm saying is it could be very easy for everyone and government especially to track your money.
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July 26, 2012, 08:29:51 AM
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It is easier with paper money.

90% of all dollars have trace amounts of cocaine
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-14/health/cocaine.traces.money_1_cocaine-dollar-bills-paper-bills?_s=PM:HEALTH


It is not.
It just need a program to calculate where money comes and you do not need special lab to find or not cocaine.
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July 26, 2012, 08:33:02 AM
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Are you somehow implying that money which was once used for a drug transaction is somehow worth less than money which was not? I dont see the point in this.

No not at all.
But you can get that knowledge for free if there would be software tool and some public databases.
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July 26, 2012, 08:36:34 AM
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Just jump forward a few years and mark every category 100%. But who cares? Some of the atoms in your body used to be in the body of a serial murder/rapist. I won't let it affect my view of you. This thread otoh...

True, so maybe we can add some time decreasing factor? Now its better?

I understand that someone who born in Mexico could have lots of killers and drug related atoms in him, and you could be honest but have nasty neighborhood and that is the reason why you have lots of "bad" BTCs but if it's true why those bad guys paid you?

You can say that you are just running a grocery shop in drug area, but isn't that mean that if 90% of your clients are drug guys and their family's then you helping them to live and play their business?
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July 26, 2012, 01:33:17 PM
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Just jump forward a few years and mark every category 100%. But who cares? Some of the atoms in your body used to be in the body of a serial murder/rapist. I won't let it affect my view of you. This thread otoh...

You can say that you are just running a grocery shop in drug area, but isn't that mean that if 90% of your clients are drug guys and their family's then you helping them to live and play their business?


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July 26, 2012, 01:39:26 PM
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How do you know coins were stolen, or hacked, or gained by committing a crime? Who makes this determination? You?

As I said anyone can make his own list and publish it or keep for himself.
I do not want to do anything with that information, just good to know.
In example if there would be some Child Porn Related list and you will have some statistic knowledge that there is 2% of CPR BTC you could check some wallet and see that he have 8% of it so he probably is somewhere close.
What I'm saying is it could be very easy for everyone and government especially to track your money.


Two problems: how do you know such lists are accurate, and why would you want anyone, especially the government to track your money?

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July 26, 2012, 02:32:18 PM
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How do you know coins were stolen, or hacked, or gained by committing a crime? Who makes this determination? You?

As I said anyone can make his own list and publish it or keep for himself.
I do not want to do anything with that information, just good to know.
In example if there would be some Child Porn Related list and you will have some statistic knowledge that there is 2% of CPR BTC you could check some wallet and see that he have 8% of it so he probably is somewhere close.
What I'm saying is it could be very easy for everyone and government especially to track your money.


Two problems: how do you know such lists are accurate, and why would you want anyone, especially the government to track your money?

I don't say I want that, just it is easy and possible, so now or later someone will do that.

About accuracy, everyone can have their own lists, you do not have to trust any of them. One will trust USA gov someone else Palestinian etc.

It's just a knowledge.
And it is not so easy to get anonymous in this machine.

I esspecially want to point that this system is much more traceable than conventional money.
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July 26, 2012, 02:34:22 PM
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Just jump forward a few years and mark every category 100%. But who cares? Some of the atoms in your body used to be in the body of a serial murder/rapist. I won't let it affect my view of you. This thread otoh...

You can say that you are just running a grocery shop in drug area, but isn't that mean that if 90% of your clients are drug guys and their family's then you helping them to live and play their business?


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Really? Haven't you thought about it earlier?

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July 27, 2012, 01:20:24 AM
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I don't say I want that, just it is easy and possible, so now or later someone will do that.

Taint analysis of the coins involved in the May 12th theft of bitcoins (Bitcoinica's May Rackspace hack, not Bitcoinica's March Linode hack nor Bitcoinica's July Mt Gox hack):

 - http://blockchain.info/taint/182tGyiczhXSSCTciVujNRkkMw1zQxUVhp?reversed=true

if you have coins in that list and you were not the bitcoinica hacker and didn't knowingly buy them from the bitcoinica hacker, then I will buy your tainted coins from you, at the normal rate I charge when I trade, e.g., 1% fee.

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