How Many Bitcoiners are Mentally Ill?

[Bitcoin Sperg]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers! 

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[cbeast]

a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective.

Please quote your APA reference material to make such a claim.

[MCHouston]

I am worried about the drug use, but more drugs are bought with fiat then ever will with Bitcoin.  Traces of drugs are even on US dollars as well as most likely most fiat currencies.  So it seems to say fiat is used more for drugs then Bitcoin.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/17/cocaine-dollar-bills-currency-us

[Ektra]

I'm glad at least some of the trolls are still putting a good effort into making well written, entertaining posts. I like the way this one goes right for the self esteem! Very acidic.

Cheers! 

[Kprawn]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers! 

Move on troll... You come to this forum, dedicated to Bitcoin and then piss on other people, for them expressing their opinions and views on the subject matter.

We do not need to hide behind a newbie account....we say what we think, and we stick to it.

Climb back on your horse, and go back to the cave you crawled out of.... leave us, to make the important decisions about the future of money.  

How did you like that...? Let's see if you can psycho analyze that dribble.    

[Sindelar1938]

about 23.135% of the total pool of bitcoiners is mad. I know I am right...

[doof]

I don't know.  Im hoping tho someone will tell me if I am.  Also tell me if im a robot.

[bigredbutton]

[innocent93]

Believing in something doesn't make them ill, but those who are yelling Bitcoin is going to $10,000 everyday are mentally ill.

[BitcoinAccepted]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers!  

My left brain (responsible for over 62% of my daily interactions) tells me I'm the most stable, drug abusing buttcoin hodler that he's ever met!

My right brain (responsible for just 18% of my bodily functions) tells me bad things which I won't repeat on here.

There are multi-dimensional lizards monitoring this forum so I must type quickly whilst wearing my level 9 gamma cloak. (I refer to this fact as my 20% brain conspiracy contingency or B.C.C 2.0)

I hope this answers your question.

[itsAj]

“Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”

― Apple Inc.

[cbeast]

“Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”

― Apple Inc.

They are also the only ones that care enough to sacrifice something of themselves.

[arvindr]

I'm glad at least some of the trolls are still putting a good effort into making well written, entertaining posts. I like the way this one goes right for the self esteem! Very acidic.

Cheers! 

Whats the point of visiting the forums if you don't see these kinds of posts.

[Lexi Price]

I think if you're at all capable of grasping bitcoin, the whole concept, in the first place, there's little damn chance you're at risk of being mentally ill. The required level of intelligence to understand bitcoin, the foundation of bitcoin, the blockchain, the point, the nuances of economics, and the dynamics of bitcoin is not a sign of a weak mind susceptible to mental illness.

The idiots in comment sections who continually call people names, troll these and similar forums hollering bitcoin's end times and have nothing else to do but post over and over day in and day out trying to warn everyone against it, it's in its "death throws" as one put it in a comments section earlier - now those ones are soft in the head and could probably make do with a visit to a psychiatrist.  

[runningfree]

It is interesting how someone could be judged as insane from their association with Bitcoin. We are so lucky to has a physiologist here on this form to point this out. I would like to know, why are you here on this form?

[vennali]

It is interesting how someone could be judged as insane from their association with Bitcoin. We are so lucky to has a physiologist here on this form to point this out. I would like to know, why are you here on this form?

Coz they themselves r mentally ill as well??

Random fact: Did u know the most ppl committing suicide(by profession and related to work issues) r Psychologists!

[turvarya]

Thanks OP.
You made me laugh.
Your post is much better than all this "Bitcoin is dead"-posts.

[Denker]

Thanks OP.
You made me laugh.
Your post is much better than all this "Bitcoin is dead"-posts.

Yeah he is creative. You've got to hand it to him.

[Lethn]

That's one of the most stupid posts I've ever read here, I don't know whether I should be responding to it seriously or not, probably better if I didn't take it seriously.

[NeuroticFish]

We are all insane here. And you are one of us, you can't deny that!!

That's one of the most stupid posts I've ever read here, I don't know whether I should be responding to it seriously or not, probably better if I didn't take it seriously.

Not the most stupid, that's for sure. To be take seriously? Really? It's one of the good, entertaining posts of the day!

Thanks OP.
You made me laugh.
Your post is much better than all this "Bitcoin is dead"-posts.

Yup, it made me smile too. And I will check this thread from time to time. I expect beautiful answers 

[kingama]

Pure gold. Any bets on when Bitcoin makes it into the DSM-IV?

[Uncle Axetime]

Pure gold. Any bets on when Bitcoin makes it into the DSM-IV?

When the banksters and governments get desperate enough, they will indeed call us 'mad' and 'turrists', anything to try and squash us.

This op has been slipped a tenner by a Rothschild minion to make very obvious anti-bitcoiner assertions.

We should watch out for the moderately less obvious ones who are so harming the thing, such as USGavin.

[Whitehouse]

It's probably more akin to being passionate or just looking for excitement than being actually mentally ill, though I don't doubt there are some crazy people here. Some people also act nuts when there's money involved. Maybe they're just delusional or stupid, but not usually mentally ill.

[Q7]

LOL....I'm one of them. I suffer from some kind of bitcoin paranoia disorder where it will make me check the price every hourly and sometimes when it gets worse, I will stare at the same page.

[Nancarrow]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers! 

Forget it Jake, it's The Internet.

Actually the egomania/narcissism quotient dropped considerably when Mircea Popescu's sock buggered off a few months ago. Then this blocksize limit thing started and it's gone right back up again, for the corresponding reason.

[vapourminer]

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large?

oooh! pick me! pick me!!

oh, wait..

[JorgeStolfi]

I think if you're at all capable of grasping bitcoin, the whole concept, in the first place, there's little damn chance you're at risk of being mentally ill. The required level of intelligence to understand bitcoin, the foundation of bitcoin, the blockchain, the point, the nuances of economics, and the dynamics of bitcoin is not a sign of a weak mind susceptible to mental illness.

(1) Intelligence does not imply sanity and vice-versa.  And neither of them implies honesty.

(2) It does not take much intelligence to understand bitcoin at the level that most "expert bitcoiners" do. 

The idiots in comment sections who continually call people names, troll these and similar forums hollering bitcoin's end times and have nothing else to do but post over and over day in and day out trying to warn everyone against it, it's in its "death throws" as one put it in a comments section earlier - now those ones are soft in the head and could probably make do with a visit to a psychiatrist.  

Who should see a psychiatrist: the guy who believed in "10'000 USD/BTC by Nov/2014" and mortgaged his home to buy bitcoin at 800, or the guy who didn't believe and didn't buy?

[tss]

at least it seems like an original post.  a breath of fresh air on troll island.

[johnyj]

The quality of the troll posts are dropping

[A.F.K]

Let's not forget sociopathy.

[saddambitcoin]

How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers! 

LOL at this thread.

I'm sure it will offend some people to admit it, but when I examine my facts I suppose you are right. No doubt the insane highs and lows of the price can exacerbate the mania over these past few years. I wouldn't have it any other way! 

Me:

1. came to bitcoin partly because I was shut out of the normal economy

2. have been diagnosed with mental illness in the past, but i don't do anything about it because i think my state of mind is normal.

[galbros]

I doubt it is any worse than the population at large.  Internet forums lend themselves to outlandish comments.  Plus a lot of posts are pure rubbish to boost the users post count.

I think the relevant comparison would be with other forums anyway.

[Beliathon]

ALL OF US! GOOGILY DOOGILY!  

Seriously though, mother cultures makes us all insane, yourself included reader.

How many American children are on antidepressants?

[jonald_fyookball]

the Bitcoin population ranges from the brilliant to the idiotic, from the scammers to the saints... same as the general population.

[Kprawn]

You think this is freaky... go to a BTC Meetup and see what is freaky. Everyone from NerdVana to VC's are crowding in to get the most attention.

You will also find the trolls... they the ones hiding in the corner and predicting the doom and gloom of the 51% attack and the demise of BTC based on the current price.

Then you get the groupies ..... they follow the keynote speaker around as if he/she is a rock star! 

After the event, they gather here on the forum with ALL their new found wisdom and post brilliant new insight into the world of crypto currency.

You just have to love the Bitcoin World!

[addy nagar]

70-60% bitcoins are mentally ill...they just want to earn a lot of coins and soke are thinking how fast they can earn but they are not even thinking how will they going to do this?didi it have any risk or not etc etc

[JorgeStolfi]

70-60% bitcoins are mentally ill...

Bitcoins are fungible, so in fact all of them are mentally ill.  They got that way by being bound with a chain, behind a wall of blocks, since they wer born.  They hate their owners; if they are let go, they will not return, not even look back and say thanks. 

[MikeCorleone]

70-60% bitcoins are mentally ill...they just want to earn a lot of coins and soke are thinking how fast they can earn but they are not even thinking how will they going to do this?didi it have any risk or not etc etc

Where'd you get this figure from? I'd assume much less like in the fiat world.

[turvarya]

You think this is freaky... go to a BTC Meetup and see what is freaky. Everyone from NerdVana to VC's are crowding in to get the most attention.

You will also find the trolls... they the ones hiding in the corner and predicting the doom and gloom of the 51% attack and the demise of BTC based on the current price.

Then you get the groupies ..... they follow the keynote speaker around as if he/she is a rock star! 

After the event, they gather here on the forum with ALL their new found wisdom and post brilliant new insight into the world of crypto currency.

You just have to love the Bitcoin World!

Austrian Bitcoin Meeting are fine. No trolls there.
But I guess, that is just because, we are still in an early stage.

[xDan]

QFT

One day, instead of being called mad, we may be called simply "lucky" [to have been in the right place at the right time].

[tvbcof]

Unfortunately for Bitcoin, not enough participants are 'mentally ill'.  That deficit will probably be the biggest contributing factor to the ultimate demise of Bitcoin (which doesn't in-an-of itself imply a price collapse, BTW.)

  http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/02/why-anti-authoritarians-are-diagnosed-as-mentally-ill/

This may be one of the first times I've ever read the writings of a shrink and thought to myself 'Wow, this guy gets it.'

[ronaldo40]

pretty much, for someone gambler who lost a lot,or someone who has lost so much bitcoin as stolen / invest and ultimately scam

[Brewins]

no one seriously interested on mental disorders would not diagnostic people based solely in internet posts.

You are just a troll or someone not prepared. In any case your opinion is not worth reading

[koelen3]

I didn't really understood all those paranoid and mentally ill words but sure as hell , everyone here can be considered mad
Though the future is ours

[bitcoin_bagholder]

Well in America 1 in 5 are mentally ill, so I would probably guess 1 in 5 on the forum are as well.

It's rather subjective.

[bmarch]

How many Wall St workers are mentally ill?
How many Silicon Valley tech heads are mentally ill?
How many government bureaucrats are mentally ill?
How many psychologists are mentally ill?
Welcome to reality.

I for one don't recommend spending too much time on this or other political/economic/financial/conspiracy websites than is healthy. As with all things. Bitcoin, arising from the internet mainly, consists more so of internet-dwellers who are used to sharing and posting and linking on forums to their heart's desires. Other people in other spheres probably read books, study, talk with their friends, and maybe get drunk and move on with things. But internet-dwellers I think have difficulty functioning outside of the basement very well.

MUST WE TRUST A PAYMENT SYSTEM INHABITED AND OPERATED LARGELY BY THESE BASEMENT DWELLERS??!!

Would-be video game developers, network admins, tech support people. If these are the people largely participating with Bitcoin then the project will surely have problems. Financial education, policy education, sales, risk management, legal assessment ability. I can think of many competencies that this set of people would lack that would be required to operate a successful payments network. So I hope that Bitcoin is contributed to by more than just these types. I also hope that the bitcointalk forum is a poor representation of the participants involved.

[AnswerQuestion]

I think that a lot of people are probably more paranoid then they need to be about protecting their bitcoin, however some level of paronia is necessary as once someone steals your bitcoin there is essentially no way to get it back and there are a lot of people out there who will be more then willing to steal your bitcoin. I don't think the people who take extreme precautions with their money are suffering any kind of mental disorder, at least not in any significant higher rates then the general population).

I have however noticed that a lot of newer users (especially spammers who participate in signature deals - especially over the last summer) do seem to show traits of some kind of mental disorder, although it is possible this is because of bitcoin's popularity and the fact that people with mental disorders tend to have a lot of free time (for a number of reasons) so they would naturally migrate to this forum.  

[Bagatell]

So I hope that Bitcoin is contributed to by more than just these types. I also hope that the bitcointalk forum is a poor representation of the participants involved.

Prejudice and preconceptions wont get us very far either.

[dewdeded]

I know three posters, who were/are early adopters and lost big on MtGox (all of them each > 100 BTC). They are definitely traumatized today and from their posts you can clearly tell they need mental medical treatment.

Obvious, you also see on this forum (as stated in OP) alot of narcissistic posters (maybe 3%). Often early adopters or people who made big money (trading or investing e.g) in bitcoin scene. They today think: they rule the world, dont need to research anything anymore and know everything better.
Alot of them are One World Order-Bitcoiners.

And you obviously you have around 10% of the board accounts, who are very stupid and clearly retarded, mostly trolls, scammers, ... especially in the altcoin sub sections.
Being dumb is also a mental illness.

[rpietila]

Mental illness is defined by the government/death(pharma) industry these days.

I would not say it is anything too far-fetched to call your enemies (bitcoiners) "mentally ill".

I also called other guys "homo" in junior high - not because they were homosexuals but because I did not like them and homosexuals were not in fashion at the time like they are now.

So once mental illness becomes chic, the bitcoiners will be called terrorists, money launderers, etc. instead. It's the normal ignore-laugh-fight-win cycle, perhaps moving from the second to the third stage.

[Gleb Gamow]

THIS IS A BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKIN' BULLSHIT! I KNOW THAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ME. Just wait till my doctor hears about this.

[BlackMachine]

Many of the geniuses looks and sounds like mentally ill.

[12345mm]

There is no great genius without a mixture of madness. ~Aristotle

[traincarswreck]

Many of the geniuses looks and sounds like mentally ill.

Some minds are beautiful.

[rpietila]

People can accurately grade others who are less knowledgeable in the field than them. They cannot accurately grade themselves, nor anyone who knows more than them.

i) This is a strong argument against the system of popular vote, because it makes it impossible to get a meaningful percentage of good candidates elected and therefore assures a groupthink outcome suspect to external influence.

ii) It is also a strong argument for voluntarism, because from i) it is obvious that the ones who are oppressing you are not actually capable to do so, thus even if you did not theoretically object, the practice of giving people the power over their superiors, is not yielding good results.

[zvs]

hmm, interesting mention there,

I still call people homos while playing some online game or something.  Wouldn't do it in person (I'd use 'homosexual' instead!).

I also use the word 'gay', this I use while online and also amongst friends.  Can't recall the last time I used it (intentionally) as a slur, possibly never.  Most, uh, gay people I know use it as well.... though there are a few out there that are adamant about not using it, the gay community's very own Pat Robertson equivalents.

I don't agree that gay people are 'in fashion'.  I'll have to go against Fox News on this one.

http://www.lambdalegal.org/states-regions/texas

No clause including sexual orientation in discrimination laws, no civil unions, some godawful amount of crap to go through to adopt, etc.  The fact that Texas doesn't even recognize civil unions between same sex couples is just, well, gay.

... and as a (damn near) totally unrelated side note, I'll never vote Republican again until UIGEA is repealed (and only then if the majority supports the repeal).  The bible thumpers need to go.

re: the message topic;

I have major depression, which is something the gov't recognizes, thus granting the ability to draw SSD.  Panic attacks, anxiety disorders, etc., don't qualify.  You'll have to have enough panic attacks and anxiety to develop schizophrenia.  After this, if you receive proper medications, you can look forward to engaging in the 'Haldol Shuffle', always a pleasure to watch as an outsider.

[steven.G999]

THIS IS A BUNCH OF MOTHERFUCKIN' BULLSHIT! I KNOW THAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT ME. Just wait till my doctor hears about this.

why would you do that?

[JorgeStolfi]

People can accurately grade others who are less knowledgeable in the field than them. They cannot accurately grade themselves, nor anyone who knows more than them.

i) This is a strong argument against the system of popular vote, because it makes it impossible to get a meaningful percentage of good candidates elected and therefore assures a groupthink outcome suspect to external influence.

But the purpose of elections is not to select the most competent, smartest, more honest, etc.  It is only to measure how much support each candidate has, and convince the minority party that they are indeed a minority.

The alternative to elections is each guy tries to shoot those of the opposite parties, until one side has the clear lead , and the oppositors who still survive choose to obey the winner rather than die.

This alternative method is often adopted when and where people get disenchanted with democracy.  Experience shows that this method does not give better government than a democratic election, but takes absurdly longer to proclaim the winner, and is absurdly more expensive.

It is not for nothing that the ancient Greek were regarded as exceptionally smart people.

[turvarya]

How many Wall St workers are mentally ill?
How many Silicon Valley tech heads are mentally ill?
How many government bureaucrats are mentally ill?
How many psychologists are mentally ill?
Welcome to reality.

I for one don't recommend spending too much time on this or other political/economic/financial/conspiracy websites than is healthy. As with all things. Bitcoin, arising from the internet mainly, consists more so of internet-dwellers who are used to sharing and posting and linking on forums to their heart's desires. Other people in other spheres probably read books, study, talk with their friends, and maybe get drunk and move on with things. But internet-dwellers I think have difficulty functioning outside of the basement very well.

MUST WE TRUST A PAYMENT SYSTEM INHABITED AND OPERATED LARGELY BY THESE BASEMENT DWELLERS??!!

Would-be video game developers, network admins, tech support people. If these are the people largely participating with Bitcoin then the project will surely have problems. Financial education, policy education, sales, risk management, legal assessment ability. I can think of many competencies that this set of people would lack that would be required to operate a successful payments network. So I hope that Bitcoin is contributed to by more than just these types. I also hope that the bitcointalk forum is a poor representation of the participants involved.

It's 2015.
Everyone is on the internet, not just "basement dweller".
And btw. there is a black president in the white house.

[jdany]

When BTC is $1,000,000 per coin, will exchanges list the full million, or will they decimalize it?


Welcome to coinbase, you can buy 1 BTC for $1,000,000 - which you would never do, so why should we quote you an unrealistic purchase price.

Welcome to coinbase, you can buy 0.0001 BTC for $100 - which is totally doable, bro.

BTW, remember when you tipped that guy 0.01 back in 2014 - that's 10,000 bucks now bub.  How's that make you feel inside.

[dewdeded]

When BTC is $1,000,000 per coin, will exchanges list the full million, or will they decimalize it?

Talking about $1.000.000/BTC is mentally ill.

[rpietila]

People can accurately grade others who are less knowledgeable in the field than them. They cannot accurately grade themselves, nor anyone who knows more than them.

i) This is a strong argument against the system of popular vote, because it makes it impossible to get a meaningful percentage of good candidates elected and therefore assures a groupthink outcome suspect to external influence.

But the purpose of elections is not to select the most competent, smartest, more honest, etc.  It is only to measure how much support each candidate has, and convince the minority party that they are indeed a minority.

The alternative to elections is each guy tries to shoot those of the opposite parties, until one side has the clear lead , and the oppositors who still survive choose to obey the winner rather than die.

This alternative method is often adopted when and where people get disenchanted with democracy.  Experience shows that this method does not give better government than a democratic election, but takes absurdly longer to proclaim the winner, and is absurdly more expensive.

It is not for nothing that the ancient Greek were regarded as exceptionally smart people.

I struggled a little concerning how to reply. Does anyone of the readers see the irony, or am I wasting my time here?

[rpietila]

When BTC is $1,000,000 per coin, will exchanges list the full million, or will they decimalize it?

Talking about $1.000.000/BTC is mentally ill.

You give me 100:1 odds, I am willing to bet you BTC1 that it is worth $1,000,000 USD before 10 years have passed. 

Or maybe a 1:100 minority is enough to qualify as "mentally ill"... I heard that the U.S. incarceration plan has 8 million names in it. That has to be about 10% of the literate adult self-supporting males in the U.S.

[dewdeded]

I bet you 50 XMR.

[rpietila]

8 million - - has to be about 10% of the literate adult self-supporting males in the U.S.

I am afraid 8 million could be up to 25% tbh 

[JorgeStolfi]

But the purpose of elections is not to select the most competent, smartest, more honest, etc.  It is only to measure how much support each candidate has, and convince the minority party that they are indeed a minority.

The alternative to elections is each guy tries to shoot those of the opposite parties, until one side has the clear lead , and the oppositors who still survive choose to obey the winner rather than die.

This alternative method is often adopted when and where people get disenchanted with democracy.  Experience shows that this method does not give better government than a democratic election, but takes absurdly longer to proclaim the winner, and is absurdly more expensive.

It is not for nothing that the ancient Greek were regarded as exceptionally smart people.

I struggled a little concerning how to reply. Does anyone of the readers see the irony, or am I wasting my time here?

I don't see the irony.  Do you believe that there is some system that would ensure government by a good minority against the wishes of the majority?

[thejaytiesto]

Everyone that doesn't invest in BTC now is mentally ill.

[Pecunia non olet]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers!  

It's not even a joke. It's real. ADHS is very commen too.

[Bit_Happy]

“Here's to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”

― Apple Inc.

Much is rotten within the Apple, but that quote is great, thanks for the reminder.  

[manselr]

When BTC is $1,000,000 per coin, will exchanges list the full million, or will they decimalize it?

Talking about $1.000.000/BTC is mentally ill.

You give me 100:1 odds, I am willing to bet you BTC1 that it is worth $1,000,000 USD before 10 years have passed. 

Or maybe a 1:100 minority is enough to qualify as "mentally ill"... I heard that the U.S. incarceration plan has 8 million names in it. That has to be about 10% of the literate adult self-supporting males in the U.S.

I hope 1 BTC is 1 million in the future, but sounds delusional as hell.

[oblivi]

rpietila you've been quoted, you better be correct.

[rpietila]

rpietila you've been quoted, you better be correct.

Well I know I'm followed by a host of people and anything I say can at any time be used against me, regardless of my intention (or that free speech is mandated by the UN and ratified in most countries).

The funny part is not the above, but that the other guys seem to be able to talk shit without punishment all the time. Just look at this forum 

(In case I'm overreacting, and you just need an explanation to any single statement, I am here to help you   )

[Beliathon]

Mental illness is defined by the government/death(pharma) industry these days.

[Bit_Happy]

Mental illness is defined by the government/death(pharma) industry these days.

See? You HAVE to BE "mentally ill" to even consider buying Bitcoins.
Oh wait... 

[hamiltino]

And that is why i love the bitcoin community. Great quote above me.

[gargantuar]

Mental illness is defined by deviance from that which the consensus defines as normal.  That consensus has changed over the years.  The DSM (encyclopedia of mental illness for the "professionals" that label us) changes every single year.  Some of the changes are semantic but it also indicates that mental health is an amorphous blob of crap that hasn't been clearly defined. By the way, take a survey of every mental health worker you know (narrow the focus to PhDs) and see how many of them are elitist/controlling/liberal.

We are always revising.  Butter was bad; now butter is good.  In my opinion, some of the most sane people I have observed post here (also some idiots and shills post here).  If you feel that bitcoiners are nuts, you are in the minority and by our standards YOU are the deviant here and make it more clear with a post (OP) like yours.  Perhaps you should check yourself out of the "insane asylum" and find your own kind.  

The internet created colonies like spots on a Petri dish:  Beastiality, Pug Fetish, Obama worship.  Find your colony -- sounds like this isn't the right colony for you.

[AnswerQuestion]

When BTC is $1,000,000 per coin, will exchanges list the full million, or will they decimalize it?

Talking about $1.000.000/BTC is mentally ill.

I would unfortunately have to agree with this one. While it is okay to 'dream' about achieving riches to think that your $250 is going to turn into a million dollars in only a few short years is only delusional.

If this were to happen to become a reality in the future it would not make the prediction any less delusional

[Possum577]

The same percentage that are mentally ill in the general population.

There's nothing about bitcoin that attracts mentally ill people. And being paranoid of "big brother" or "doomsday" doesn't mean someone is mentally ill.

[Possum577]

When BTC is $1,000,000 per coin, will exchanges list the full million, or will they decimalize it?


Welcome to coinbase, you can buy 1 BTC for $1,000,000 - which you would never do, so why should we quote you an unrealistic purchase price.

Welcome to coinbase, you can buy 0.0001 BTC for $100 - which is totally doable, bro.

BTW, remember when you tipped that guy 0.01 back in 2014 - that's 10,000 bucks now bub.  How's that make you feel inside.

If 1 BTC equals $1,000,000 then the worst problem will have been the collapse of the dollar...and probably the USA, which means the world would have gone to shit too.

[gentlemand]

It's an area that at present attracts people that others might consider not completely normal in their outlook. Some might call it mental illness. Others might call it thinking for yourself. Perhaps it's somewhere in between.

[pereira4]

A lot of people here is partially traumatised at missing the 2013 bubble.

[bitcoin_bagholder]

It's an area that at present attracts people that others might consider not completely normal in their outlook. Some might call it mental illness. Others might call it thinking for yourself. Perhaps it's somewhere in between.

I look at it as five groups into Bitcoin:

1) Libertarians
2) Anarchists
3) Gamblers
4) Computer geeks interested in the tech
5) Capitalists involved in Bitcoin startup companies

Of the five, anarchists and gamblers by definition are considered to be mentally unbalanced.

[cellard]

A lot of people here is partially traumatised at missing the 2013 bubble.

There should be a foundation based on assisting victims of not buying on the 2013 bubble.

[AnswerQuestion]

I think that a lot of people are probably more paranoid then they need to be about protecting their bitcoin, however some level of paronia is necessary as once someone steals your bitcoin there is essentially no way to get it back and there are a lot of people out there who will be more then willing to steal your bitcoin. I don't think the people who take extreme precautions with their money are suffering any kind of mental disorder, at least not in any significant higher rates then the general population).

I have however noticed that a lot of newer users (especially spammers who participate in signature deals - especially over the last summer) do seem to show traits of some kind of mental disorder, although it is possible this is because of bitcoin's popularity and the fact that people with mental disorders tend to have a lot of free time (for a number of reasons) so they would naturally migrate to this forum.  

I would also add something to my above statement:

The ability to make your private keys the most secure is almost like a contest between bitcoineers. People seem to almost want to one-up eachother in terms of making their private keys excessively secure. I would say this results in some people appearing to be more paroniod then they really are.

[sakira]

are you one of them? Xixi 

[ABitNut]

about 23.135% of the total pool of bitcoiners is mad. I know I am right...

And the remaining 76% are trolls. Also, I'm part of the 0.865% that doesn't bother to make sure percentages add to 100%.

This thread was gold.

[Beymond]

All of them.

[vapourminer]

Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers! 

since you seem to claiming you are "normal," perhaps you should be the one to commission a social worker and/or psych researcher for this survey.

we wont waste our money (er bitcoins).

BTW that Alex Huxley quote is great.

edit: have you met many social workers? I have (Im in the medical field). I have not been impressed to put it mildly.

[funkenstein]

The figure for fiat users is undoubtedly a factor of 10 larger. 

[BitCoinNutJob]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia.

Anyone having a bad day/week/month can get labelled with alsorts of disorders.  The field of psychology isn't very advanced yet, the brain is highly complex.

[turvarya]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia.

Anyone having a bad day/week/month can get labelled with alsorts of disorders.  The field of psychology isn't very advanced yet, the brain is highly complex.

Sure, it is advanced. They developed so many meds, that will fuck up your brain chemistry or your hormons. Anything else just isn't that important.

[gogxmagog]

I'm perfectly normal, totally sane, really nice guy.
Just ask me.

[solf]

I had very low self esteem since 12 years old, also was living in constant fear. When I was 20, I started thinking "I must make a lot of money on stock swings and outsmart the others". When I was 24, bitcoin appeared. I was amazed by the 'swings' of bitcoin. Made only about 80 USD profit, though. I started fantasizing "I'll wait till it drops to 10 USD, then I'll make millions". And then a bad thing happened in my life. I do not want to explain in detail now. But now I believe only in those things:

* Warren Buffet "Stay away from bitcoin as far as you can" - so 100% true

* Charlie Munger: "Bitcoin is a rat poison" - so 100% true!

* There is no shortcuts

* You can only be happy when you contribute to the society.

[ronaldo40]

All of them.

not all  just a man who lost thousands of BTC in an instant 

[herzmeister]

genius and madness, it's nothing new.

almost all great artists and scientists were somewhat bi-polar.

i believe it's an evolutionary thing. Not everyone who is close to madness can manifest their genius. Only the "fittest" ideas (and implementations) survive.

also, people who are considered normal by social standards do not have the motivation or guts to foray into experimental territories such as this.

and:

[rpietila]

The thread indeed is gold. +1 to so many of the previous posts

[oblivi]

rpietila predicting 1 million per coin doesn't make him a mentally ill individual! he's just a misunderstand genius

[Beliathon]

If 1 BTC equals $1,000,000 then the worst problem will have been the collapse of the dollar...and probably the USA, which means the world would have gone to shit too.

For most people on the planet today, the world already is shit. If it's not to you, congratulations now check your privilege. For the billions of poor, global capitalism is sucking the life from them.

Not so long ago the average person would believe that the loss the Divine Right of the King, and subsequent (ongoing) slow death of religion would be "the world going to shit". All the fruits of the age of reason would have been forsaken if the nobles and priests of the middle ages could have prevented the failure off Divine Right.

They could not prevent progress then, just as the banksters (our modern "nobles") can't stop bitcoin or the slow death of capitalism in our generation.

[pereira4]

If 1 BTC equals $1,000,000 then the worst problem will have been the collapse of the dollar...and probably the USA, which means the world would have gone to shit too.

For most people on the planet today, the world already is shit. If it's not to you, congratulations now check your privilege. For the billions of poor, global capitalism is sucking the life from them.

Not so long ago the average person would believe that the loss the Divine Right of the King, and subsequent (ongoing) slow death of religion would be "the world going to shit". All the fruits of the age of reason would have been forsaken if the nobles and priests of the middle ages could have prevented the failure off Divine Right.

They could not prevent progress then, just as the banksters (our modern "nobles") can't stop bitcoin or the slow death of capitalism in our generation.

This. Bitcoin is the only hope to scape the bankster mafia. If we have a mentally retarded population in the first world that will stick suck banker cock for some decades, at least outside our borders people will find use on BTC.

[gargantuar]

Not an excuse; just an explanation:

http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10554.aspx

Perhaps many here fit the Debrowski definition of gifted.  Debrowski himself hid Jews during the Second World War and was imprisoned for it.  Apparently he was deviant or not well adjusted to his society (according to the Nazi's) but I believe he was more sane and more human than any Nazi could have been.

[Bitcoin Sperg]

This. Bitcoin is the only hope to scape the bankster mafia. If we have a mentally retarded population in the first world that will stick suck banker cock for some decades, at least outside our borders people will find use on BTC.

For most people on the planet today, the world already is shit. If it's not to you, congratulations now check your privilege. For the billions of poor, global capitalism is sucking the life from them.

Not so long ago the average person would believe that the loss the Divine Right of the King, and subsequent (ongoing) slow death of religion would be "the world going to shit". All the fruits of the age of reason would have been forsaken if the nobles and priests of the middle ages could have prevented the failure off Divine Right.

They could not prevent progress then, just as the banksters (our modern "nobles") can't stop bitcoin or the slow death of capitalism in our generation.

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers!  

[gargantuar]

Bitcoin sperg, you don't belong here.  I imagine if you were to read the article I posted it would float right past your dozen or so brain cells on its way out your other ear.  Clearly we are not your people.  Shill or otherwise, find YOUR folk and thrive.  The internet makes it possible to draw together small communities of people separated by great distances (e.g. badger rapists that caters to people interested in coitus with reluctant badgers).

I think there are many angry people in our community but they are angry for good reason.  Apply your pontifications and analysis to what I have written.  List your qualifications for diagnosing any of us, run through the NPD criteria regarding yourself (reading your original post makes it pretty clear you suffer from this as well as projection). And finally, where am I in the DSM, you self-important shit?  Or do you even know what the DSM is.

[GigaBit]

Takes one to know one I guess... 

It's like people going around calling everyone thieves are themselves typically the greatest ones of all.

I am totally insane, by liberal standards but guess who's winning this Bitcoin Mining game?

You have to be insane to some degree to do well in this business, same applies with Gold mining; we do shit most would find insane.

Normal people who don't belong in this industry usually become trolls, trying to make more trolls; it's some fuck fest I want no part of.

I'm out of my fucking mind, an anti-social misanthrope but I'm happy and live like a king.

I also suffer from MS and take a lot of drugs but I guarantee you my mechanical & tech IQ is way up there; however my socialist IQ is very low.

Don't like it, how I live, one of my associates will get you a phone book and you can call the affirmative action office.

Psycho Miner Pride 

[MichaelBliss]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers! 

Epic post.  I would only caution that the "bitcoin community" IS NOT the bitcointalk community!

[acquafredda]

I am worried about the drug use, but more drugs are bought with fiat then ever will with Bitcoin.  Traces of drugs are even on US dollars as well as most likely most fiat currencies.  So it seems to say fiat is used more for drugs then Bitcoin.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/17/cocaine-dollar-bills-currency-us

I'll second that

[BitUsher]

While modern psychology and psychiatry relies upon more clinical trials these days, there still remains plenty of classifications which are very unscientific and decided by committee rather than through science. This would place psychology in a transitional stage between a soft science like sociology/womens' studies and a hard science like physics/chemistry.

Mental Illness exists as a continuum and what one could classify as a disorder another could classify as a personality trait.

I would agree with you that there certainly are going to be a higher amount of sociopaths/psychopaths drawn to bitcoin (as with the early internet) because they are willing to take risks with newer technologies that afford them a competitive advantage. This could be equally stated about psychopaths/sociopaths being drawn to other positions of power like politics and CEO positions.

A good book to read is "Snakes in Suites" which reflects a enlightening perspective upon CEO's in fortune 500 companies:
http://www.amazon.com/Snakes-Suits-When-Psychopaths-Work/dp/0061147893
 

[coinableS]

I prefer the term mildly autistic. And so what?

[inBitweTrust]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers!  

One could make a very convincing argument that most people overly rely upon various defense mechanisms and psychological coping techniques to mask the true horrors that represent reality.

I don't need to believe in any "fringe" conspiracy theories(as if the popularity of an idea had anything to do with its validity.) to justify a healthy amount of skepticism (or paranoia, if you prefer) based upon what is openly admitted. Read some Noam Chomsky or Christopher Hitchens and your eyes will be opened straight away.

I had many colleagues call me a tin foil hat nutter 10 years ago when leaks started coming out regarding NSA crimes and my healthy skepticism drew conclusions that now have all been vindicated and those detractors now have a case of Historical revisionism and claim of course the NSA was doing all those "activities" that is what their central role is.

[gargantuar]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers!  

One could make a very convincing argument that most people overly rely upon various defense mechanisms and psychological coping techniques to mask the true horrors that represent reality.

I don't need to believe in any "fringe" conspiracy theories(as if the popularity of an idea had anything to do with its validity.) to justify a healthy amount of skepticism (or paranoia, if you prefer) based upon what is openly admitted. Read some Noam Chomsky or Christopher Hitchens and your eyes will be opened straight away.

I had many colleagues call me a tin foil hat nutter 10 years ago when leaks started coming out regarding NSA crimes and my healthy skepticism drew conclusions that now have all been vindicated and those detractors now have a case of Historical revisionism and claim of course the NSA was doing all those "activities" that is what their central role is.

Inbitwetrust, you are an order of magnitude more intelligent than the posturing OP.  She is likely not worth any time.  It is easy to dissect her post to reveal grammatical errors, uninformed and indefensible statistics, and hand-waving.  Many in the list of disorders the idiot posts in her first paragraph are mutually exclusive and have little to no comorbidity.

[Lauda]

If we were to get diagnosed with anything, it would be higher intelligence than the average 'sheep'.

[acquafredda]

If we were to get diagnosed with anything, it would be higher intelligence than the average 'sheep'.

I totally agree.

 

[gargantuar]

If we were to get diagnosed with anything, it would be higher intelligence than the average 'sheep'.

+1

In case anyone missed it, I believe many here would benefit from reading this article:

http://www.davidsongifted.org/db/Articles_id_10554.aspx

An understanding of the above article is perhaps a necessary (but not sufficient) component of self-actualization for those with the vision and ability to see the significance of what we are witnessing (Bitcoin).  The RawDog style of the OP and the comical use of the fancy "elucidate" word indicates he/she will not benefit from the above article.  But some the rest of you (posturing OP excluded) might be edified.  Read the article.  For your children, perhaps.

[calme]

Our coins aren't worth much anymore, but at least we are extremely intelligent.

[tvbcof]

Our coins aren't worth much anymore, but at least we are extremely intelligent.

LOL!  +1

[cbeast]

The trolls are less about casting aspersions and more about schadenfreude nowadays. It used to be they attacked Bitcoin with accusations of drug trafficking and terrorism. Now they attack investors personally as if they feel they can somehow hurt them. It's sad how the days of Something Awful raids have devolved into such petty cries for attention. The trolls here have nowhere else to go. They don't have a forum that wants them. Buttcoiner's don't want them because they they don't suffer fools either. Shibe's don't want them because they don't have the chops to keep up. The admins must pity them because they allow newbies to come directly into the forums with no forewarning. They become easy prey for the sociopaths lurking in the shadows. Fortunately experienced Bitcoiners, like the honey badger, don't care what they do because Bitcoin Abides.

[Brooker]

Bitcoiners aren't mentally ill, though I'm sure there are people with various mental illnesses here. I also think there's a lot of trolls but those people are more sad than having an illness. They obviously feel inferior so seek out personal glory on the net.

If we were to get diagnosed with anything, it would be higher intelligence than the average 'sheep'.

lol. And then they'd probably 'diagnose' you as a conspiracy theorist or something. Seen it happen many times.

[coinpr0n]

I am worried about the drug use, but more drugs are bought with fiat then ever will with Bitcoin.  Traces of drugs are even on US dollars as well as most likely most fiat currencies.  So it seems to say fiat is used more for drugs then Bitcoin.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/aug/17/cocaine-dollar-bills-currency-us

SR-induced mental instability.

[rpietila]

lol. And then they'd probably 'diagnose' you as a conspiracy theorist or something. Seen it happen many times.

So many of the past decades' "conspiracy theories" have now been admitted by the conspirators (the elected or non-elected authorities of western countries). If anything, the thought that similar activities would not be going as we speak, even if they are sometimes denied by the perpetrators, should be classified as clinical gullibility, and people denying them should be exposed to some serious training in common logic.

Otherwise such people (the ones that deny the ongoing stuff derogatory labeled as conspirationist) will present a danger to the ones whose worldview is based on proof, logic and truth.

[jubalix]

I think if you're at all capable of grasping bitcoin, the whole concept, in the first place, there's little damn chance you're at risk of being mentally ill. The required level of intelligence to understand bitcoin, the foundation of bitcoin, the blockchain, the point, the nuances of economics, and the dynamics of bitcoin is not a sign of a weak mind susceptible to mental illness.

The idiots in comment sections who continually call people names, troll these and similar forums hollering bitcoin's end times and have nothing else to do but post over and over day in and day out trying to warn everyone against it, it's in its "death throws" as one put it in a comments section earlier - now those ones are soft in the head and could probably make do with a visit to a psychiatrist.  

this....especially as we have been non educated about what currency is, that is Fiat is just given as a fait accompli.

In 2004 I gave a lecture to my fellow law of banking elective takers in a top 20 law school in the world, and their eyes glazed over when I started to explain Fiat to them, CRR, FRB etc...hell I had to phone the central bank just to confirm everything I had said was right. Satoshi has now put that squarely in the discourse.

FRB/Central banking is not always bad, but it is almost always corrupted without competition. Competition to the state monopoly is a facet of BTC.

[Beliathon]

The field of psychology has always been deeply political* in nature, the DSM is extremely political. Not so long ago you had "female hysteria" and "homosexuality" classified in there as mental diseases. Still today you have farcical diagnoses such as "oppositional defiant disorder" which roughly translates to "a disobedient child more intelligent than one or both of his/her parents", or the simple result of shitty parenting.

Psychiatrists, at their core are glorified behavior cops. You'd never see a child brought in to a psych because he was TOO obedient for his parents liking. If we lived in a society that was concerned about fascism (in a post 2001 America, we should be!), you would see that happening. You will only ever see a child brought into a mental health professional because he was too DISobedient.

Speaking as an American here, ask yourself, reader, why are we so terrified of disobedience, but not at all bothered by pandemic hyper-obedience, even in the face of a society bordering on collapse?

“Disobedience, in the eyes of any one who has read history, is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion.”
― Oscar Wilde

http://mhkeehn.tripod.com/ughoae.pdf -> ctrl + f "social engineering"

* Political bias is the disease of all the softer sciences. Only pure mathematics escapes such politicization.

[cbeast]

Speaking as an American here, ask yourself, reader, why are we as a society so terrified of disobedience, but not at all fearful of obedience?

I blame fluoridated water, high fructose corn syrup, chemtrails, and Obama.

[jani]

I'm curious if anyone has closed bank account for real and went all Bitcoin?

You can buy more and more things with Bitcoin but I still (for now).

[inBitweTrust]

I'm curious if anyone has closed bank account for real and went all Bitcoin?

You can buy more and more things with Bitcoin but I still (for now).

Not a wise idea because many clients still pay with fiat and bitcoin is too volatile to invest all in.
Anyone who is paid in bitcoin would also be wise to convert half their paycheck at least into a stable fiat so they aren't forced to spend thier BTC on the dips.

It will take a few more years before one can begin to start to suggest this tactic as a wise financial decision.

[allthingsluxury]

Depends on what you define as crazy  the world isn't always as cut and dry as many would like it to be.

[JorgeStolfi]

Speaking as an American here, ask yourself, reader, why are we as a society so terrified of disobedience, but not at all fearful of obedience?

I blame fluoridated water, high fructose corn syrup, chemtrails, and Obama.

The generation that grew up watching The Simpsons for 20 years now thinks that stupidity is fun and cool.  That explains why the Republicans, after G. W. Bush, were divided between Palin, Santorum, and Romney.  It is not a coincidence that The Simpsons are on Fox (and are Fox's most popular program).

[turvarya]

I'm curious if anyone has closed bank account for real and went all Bitcoin?

You can buy more and more things with Bitcoin but I still (for now).

You should follow Elwar's posts. He went full in.

[MichaelBliss]

I'm curious if anyone has closed bank account for real and went all Bitcoin?

You can buy more and more things with Bitcoin but I still (for now).

Not a wise idea because many clients still pay with fiat and bitcoin is too volatile to invest all in.
Anyone who is paid in bitcoin would also be wise to convert half their paycheck at least into a stable fiat so they aren't forced to spend thier BTC on the dips.

It will take a few more years before one can begin to start to suggest this tactic as a wise financial decision.

Nonsense.  He wasn't asking for opinions, but if anyone is doing it.   It doesn't sound like you are "inBitweTrust", and nobody asked for your wisdom anyway.

Yes, there are plenty of people who are "all in", with no bank account.   I'm one of them, and despite the previous comment, it's worked out well.  Would be nice to pay my bills with bitcoin though...

[inBitweTrust]

I am as bullish as they come with bitcoin but lets be honest with ourselves here ....

Yes, there are plenty of people who are "all in", with no bank account.   I'm one of them, and despite the previous comment, it's worked out well.  

I can see it working well if you live in a country with hyperinflation like Venezuela but than again bitcoin isn't exactly too useful there anyways because lack of merchants for such region. Are there any countries yet that have fiat which are more volatile than bitcoin that have decent merchant acceptance yet?

Would be nice to pay my bills with bitcoin though...

How do you pay your bills if you went all in? Perhaps your definition of "all in" is different than mine?

Additionally, wouldn't you benefit financially by leveraging both local fiat and bitcoin to insure that you always getting a discount when purchasing goods and services with bitcoin. I keep track of the price of bitcoin when received or purchased and than will only use it when it is higher than my initial investment and when the market price is lower will use my fiat thus insuring another benefit(amongst many ) with bitcoin.

[JorgeStolfi]

I'm curious if anyone has closed bank account for real and went all Bitcoin?
You can buy more and more things with Bitcoin but I still (for now).

Sure you can, if your Faith is strong enough.

[Bralex]

How many asleep sheep are mentally ill? The thing is OP has just showed us what will be spun against us in the future to discredit Bitcoin and the community at large, that will be the propaganda when they are ready anyone using BTC is mentally ill skitso's, society outcasts, conspiracy believers, druggy's etc majority aged 18 - 40 male they already have us profiled and this is actually probably close lol but if seeing the truth to the world makes you mentally ill, i hold my hand up and head up high. If closing you're eyes and going with the system makes you sane then well i would still rather be so called crazy  

[Lauda]

If we were to get diagnosed with anything, it would be higher intelligence than the average 'sheep'.

lol. And then they'd probably 'diagnose' you as a conspiracy theorist or something. Seen it happen many times.

I wouldn't mind. Why do the authorities then wonder when some people snap and stuff goes the wrong way..?

The majority of people don't understand P2P, not to mention Bitcoin. It's not a matter of 'taste' (i.e. some prefer art, natural sciences or whatever). as some claim, it's a matter of intelligence. Soon, not knowing how to properly use technology will be the same as to not knowing how to read or write.

[oblivi]

If we were to get diagnosed with anything, it would be higher intelligence than the average 'sheep'.

lol. And then they'd probably 'diagnose' you as a conspiracy theorist or something. Seen it happen many times.

I wouldn't mind. Why do the authorities then wonder when some people snap and stuff goes the wrong way..?

The majority of people don't understand P2P, not to mention Bitcoin. It's not a matter of 'taste' (i.e. some prefer art, natural sciences or whatever). as some claim, it's a matter of intelligence. Soon, not knowing how to properly use technology will be the same as to not knowing how to read or write.

People will be forced to learn about bitcoin if they dont want to be left behind and out of the loop.

[inBitweTrust]

People will be forced to learn about bitcoin if they dont want to be left behind and out of the loop.

I am going to hope that isn't the case.

There are many of us that are trying hard so that no one is required to learn anything about bitcoin if they don't want to and nevertheless depend upon it daily regardless. This is akin to your grandmother watching cat memes on youtube and not knowing anything about HTML5/CSS/Javascript/TCP/IP/Flash which all make it possible for her to do so.

Bitcoin will truly succeed when even people that hate it for political/philosophical reasons end up using it daily without even knowing they are doing so.

[AgentofCoin]

Why are people still posting in a thread that was created by a known troll? Check out his previous posts.
We should not be acknowledging him or his accusations. He is king troll.

[rpietila]

Why are people still posting in a thread that was created by a known troll? Check out his previous posts.
We should not be acknowledging him or his accusations. He is king troll.

The thread is among the good ones. Every time we post good stuff to it, the OP is further embarrassed. Out of bad intentions, a wonderful triumph has come!

[pereira4]

Why are people still posting in a thread that was created by a known troll? Check out his previous posts.
We should not be acknowledging him or his accusations. He is king troll.

The thread is among the good ones. Every time we post good stuff to it, the OP is further embarrassed. Out of bad intentions, a wonderful triumph has come!

Do you still believe in 1mm per coin?
aint that mentally ill?

[Chang Hum]

I think if you're at all capable of grasping bitcoin, the whole concept, in the first place, there's little damn chance you're at risk of being mentally ill. The required level of intelligence to understand bitcoin, the foundation of bitcoin, the blockchain, the point, the nuances of economics, and the dynamics of bitcoin is not a sign of a weak mind susceptible to mental illness.

The idiots in comment sections who continually call people names, troll these and similar forums hollering bitcoin's end times and have nothing else to do but post over and over day in and day out trying to warn everyone against it, it's in its "death throws" as one put it in a comments section earlier - now those ones are soft in the head and could probably make do with a visit to a psychiatrist.  

this....especially as we have been non educated about what currency is, that is Fiat is just given as a fait accompli.

In 2004 I gave a lecture to my fellow law of banking elective takers in a top 20 law school in the world, and their eyes glazed over when I started to explain Fiat to them, CRR, FRB etc...hell I had to phone the central bank just to confirm everything I had said was right. Satoshi has now put that squarely in the discourse.

FRB/Central banking is not always bad, but it is almost always corrupted without competition. Competition to the state monopoly is a facet of BTC.

Can we please confirm this chain of events.

1) 11 years ago you were giving a lecture to your fellow "law of banking elective takers" in one of the worlds 20 best law schools.
2) As your fellow law of banking elective takers started getting sleepy, you decided to call the central bank on speaker phone and repeat the lecture to the telephone operator who confirmed your lecture as valid to the class?!  

[rpietila]

Why are people still posting in a thread that was created by a known troll? Check out his previous posts.
We should not be acknowledging him or his accusations. He is king troll.

The thread is among the good ones. Every time we post good stuff to it, the OP is further embarrassed. Out of bad intentions, a wonderful triumph has come!

Do you still believe in 1mm per coin?
aint that mentally ill?

I believed in $1000 coins when it was $20. Slander was exactly the same back then.


(If you seriously want to know what I believe or do not, this post shows that on average, I believe that we are at $13,000 or so in 5 years, although the variance is great)

[jani]

Yes, there are plenty of people who are "all in", with no bank account.   I'm one of them, and despite the previous comment, it's worked out well.  Would be nice to pay my bills with bitcoin though...

Which country u are in? We're launching something that might work for you in ur in one of EURo countries.

[bmarch]

genius and madness, it's nothing new.

almost all great artists and scientists were somewhat bi-polar.

i believe it's an evolutionary thing. Not everyone who is close to madness can manifest their genius. Only the "fittest" ideas (and implementations) survive.

also, people who are considered normal by social standards do not have the motivation or guts to foray into experimental territories such as this.

and:

https://i.imgur.com/dxwxN5C.jpg

Actually, wouldn't being able to tolerate more stress make you a healthier person ?..

[Sir Bitcoin]

More of a "How many humans are mentally ill?"

[rpietila]

More of a "How many humans are mentally ill?"

- Clinical Psychological Problems that disable you (such people cannot work, and are not put to jail even if they commit crimes)

- Personality traits that have a diagnosis because they sometimes have episodes that can even threaten your life (bipolar 5% of people),

- Diagnoses that are developed in the recent times solely as means of oppressing free-thinking people ( ODD)

[ChuckBuck]

If Bitcoin makes a person mentally ill, count me in as crazy for cocoa puffs!



Then again, one could make the argument I was deranged before Crypto took a hold of me.   

[Hamuki]

Well, I suffer from depression and loneliness, but my multipool is going live tomorrow so I got that going for me which is nice.

[Hamuki]

Well, I suffer from depression and loneliness, but my multipool is going live tomorrow so I got that going for me which is nice.

Well is it crazy good? I may have to check into it.

New coins can get into the pool by being a small fee pr month.

It will create buy pressure on the exchanges for the coins to make them more healthy.

Check in the Service section to find the thread I made for it

[Hamuki]

Well, I suffer from depression and loneliness, but my multipool is going live tomorrow so I got that going for me which is nice.

Well is it crazy good? I may have to check into it.

New coins can get into the pool by being a small fee pr month.

It will create buy pressure on the exchanges for the coins to make them more healthy.

Check in the Service section to find the thread I made for it

How does it payout though? I mean does it payout in BTC and LTC or just whatever shitcoin is being pumped?

The payout is in the coins that have paid the fee.
The miner is able to choose what coin they want in payout that is on the list of coins "purchased" onto the pool.

If there is a lot of people that want bitcoin to be added, then it will be added though.

Link for thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=932225.0

We should stop discussing this there since its off topic from the thread.
We can continue on my thread or in PMs.

[Lauda]

I'm curious if anyone has closed bank account for real and went all Bitcoin?

You can buy more and more things with Bitcoin but I still (for now).

Not a wise idea because many clients still pay with fiat and bitcoin is too volatile to invest all in.
Anyone who is paid in bitcoin would also be wise to convert half their paycheck at least into a stable fiat so they aren't forced to spend thier BTC on the dips.

It will take a few more years before one can begin to start to suggest this tactic as a wise financial decision.

Indeed. The conditions for this aren't really there yet. Maybe in a city where adoption is decent. You're right, in a few years, when rates stabilize more this could be done without major risks.
Again, this will be possible in the future and I'm looking forward to doing so myself.

[Stuff4Bitcoin]

Just by reading through some of the replies to the OP i can see that the OP has some valid points. I think the statistical percentages are off a bit but i find myself agreeing that at least a measurable proportion of members on this forum have psychological issues. I remember reading a while back a post from someone who got attacked by people here for selling things and that the seller pointed out that most of the attackers had some sort of NPD or HPD after which the attackers removed all doubt that he was right by displaying just how NPD or HPD they were with hundreds of posts. I cant remember who it was but i remember thinking to myself that i could not believe some of the replies i read and that they were coming from people who are thought to be pillars of this forum.

The sad part is that one of the biggest triggers of outlash from people who are mentally ill is being told they have a mental illness, so although i think a study of behavior and patterns / trends among bitcoiners would be a very interesting paper to read from a psych standpoint, i also think that all it would accomplish is a rampant rage among those who suffer from disorders here.

[okthen]

Just by reading through some of the replies to the OP i can see that the OP has some valid points. I think the statistical percentages are off a bit but i find myself agreeing that at least a measurable proportion of members on this forum have psychological issues. I remember reading a while back a post from someone who got attacked by people here for selling things and that the seller pointed out that most of the attackers had some sort of NPD or HPD after which the attackers removed all doubt that he was right by displaying just how NPD or HPD they were with hundreds of posts. I cant remember who it was but i remember thinking to myself that i could not believe some of the replies i read and that they were coming from people who are thought to be pillars of this forum.

The sad part is that one of the biggest triggers of outlash from people who are mentally ill is being told they have a mental illness, so although i think a study of behavior and patterns / trends among bitcoiners would be a very interesting paper to read from a psych standpoint, i also think that all it would accomplish is a rampant rage among those who suffer from disorders here.

The only correlation that can be done is if you assume that many bitcoiners are also gamblers (which is commonly concerned an addiction).

[Stuff4Bitcoin]

The only correlation that can be done is if you assume that many bitcoiners are also gamblers (which is commonly concerned an addiction).

A very correct assumption, but in a sense aren't all bitcoiners gamblers? With bitcoins volitility those who buy and hold it are gambling on its value from minute to minute. Those who mine it are gambling on it's worth and value between payouts and the next difficulty jump, those who accept is as payment are gambling that its price will remain the same or increase before they can cash out or that the service they are using to cash out with will not go belly up before they cash out like so many in the past have. In essence every bitcoin is a gambler meaning we all have an addiction problem which makes us all mentally ill.

[neurotypical]

If Bitcoin makes a person mentally ill, count me in as crazy for cocoa puffs!



Then again, one could make the argument I was deranged before Crypto took a hold of me.   

To be honest we are all seen as mentally ill, derranged, delusional individual to the outside world, just like every other pioneer in history ever. Since when was being a pioneer an easy job?

[ajareselde]

I feel like my point was missed

1 IN 5 AMERICANS ARE MENTALLY ILLthis leads us to expect similar numbers of all nations, so 20% off all people are nuts. Just deal with it and move on, this extends into all hobbies and interest.

Law of statistics would suggest that there definetly must be a portion of mentally ill people in bitcoin users, but given the fact its not really something that catches an eye of such a person, but rather someone involved in finance and science i think how that percentage is rather small, but there are tinfoil muricans on the other hand, so anything is possible.
There is one specific young individual that i recently comented with my friends thats in bitcoin documentary, that is clearly disturbed.

cheers

[drotto]

Go get your economics degree and answer your question in your thesis. other wise your statements are other wise pointless.

[turvarya]

The only correlation that can be done is if you assume that many bitcoiners are also gamblers (which is commonly concerned an addiction).

A very correct assumption, but in a sense aren't all bitcoiners gamblers? With bitcoins volitility those who buy and hold it are gambling on its value from minute to minute. Those who mine it are gambling on it's worth and value between payouts and the next difficulty jump, those who accept is as payment are gambling that its price will remain the same or increase before they can cash out or that the service they are using to cash out with will not go belly up before they cash out like so many in the past have. In essence every bitcoin is a gambler meaning we all have an addiction problem which makes us all mentally ill.

SO, everybody who makes an investment is mentally ill? So, basically everyone who isn't poor and has money, he doesn't need for daily expenses is mentally ill?
Are people who instead throw their money out for things like the newest iPhone are mentally healthy?

[dothebeats]

Just briefly glancing through here it seems like anywhere from 15-25% could be diagnosed as morbidly paranoid, with 5% of that as full bore schizophrenia. There's also a great deal of mania in this forum, with the other subforums exhibiting mania/depression or both depending on the subject. It's difficult to parse through a forum but it just seems like an unusually large number of posters here are suffering from some combination of narcissistic/victim personality disorder, either resulting from social isolation, autism spectrum diseases, substance abuse (perhaps bitcoin's primary use) or PTSD.

Has anyone elucidated the link between bitcoin and mental illness? How many people here got involved in bitcoin because you couldn't function in the normal economy, or in society at large? I'm seriously asking because the idea of a currency that specifically draws the unstable members of society is fascinating from a social psychology perspective. There are certainly a very high number of sociopaths leading the bitcoin community (which explains the continuous scams and thefts of the beta member resources). Anyway if there are any normal members here you might want to commission a social worker to survey this forum for potential suicide/homicide risks or a psych researcher to try to and determine what factors of the bitcoin system are selecting for dredges. Cheers! 

What made you say so? Most sockpuppets suffer from multiple personality disorders, in case you didn't know.

[dothebeats]

Well, I suffer from depression and loneliness, but my multipool is going live tomorrow so I got that going for me which is nice.

What multipool is this? Want to share it with us for us to check it out?