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February 13, 2015, 11:20:37 PM
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Among Cold War presidents, from Truman to Bush I, there was an unwritten rule: Do not challenge Moscow in its Central and Eastern Europe sphere of influence.

In crises over Berlin in 1948 and 1961, the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 and the Warsaw Pact invasion of Prague in 1968, U.S. forces in Europe stayed in their barracks.

We saw the Elbe as Moscow’s red line, and they saw it as ours.

While Reagan sent weapons to anti-Communist rebels in Angola, Nicaragua and Afghanistan, to the heroic Poles of Gdansk he sent only mimeograph machines.

That Cold War caution and prudence may be at an end.

For President Obama is being goaded by Congress and the liberal interventionists in his party to send lethal weaponry to Kiev in its civil war with pro-Russian rebels in Donetsk and Luhansk.

America has never had a vital interest in Crimea or the Donbass worth risking a military clash with Russia. And we do not have the military ability to intervene and drive out the Russian army, unless we are prepared for a larger war and the potential devastation of the Ukraine.

What would Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon or Reagan think of an American president willing to risk military conflict with a nuclear-armed Russia over two provinces in southeastern Ukraine that Moscow had ruled from the time of Catherine the Great?

What is happening in Ukraine is a tragedy and a disaster. And we are in part responsible, having egged on the Maidan coup that overthrew the elected pro-Russian government.


But a greater disaster looms if we get ourselves embroiled in Ukraine’s civil war. We would face, first, the near certainty of defeat for our allies, if not ourselves. Second, we would push Moscow further outside Europe and the West, leaving her with no alternative but to deepen ties to a rising China.

More...http://buchanan.org/blog/u-s-russia-clash-in-ukraine-15550

Pat makes a great point. This isn't Qaddafi or Saddam Hussein. Major repercussions could ensue with this meddling.
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February 14, 2015, 08:59:55 AM
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True ... and forget to add that all éeople was living normal.... before little green man... here is why i do not beleive Poutine ..... he showed that we can fuck any past document signed...
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February 14, 2015, 11:25:07 AM
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Wouldn’t surprise me to see Russia re-establish the buffer between itself and Europe, which would include the Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia to the west and all of the Caucasus, down to Iran, in the east. Both areas being strategically important to them for energy transportation.
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February 14, 2015, 01:27:10 PM
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So the western world should just stand and watch as Russia invades a province after province? This reminds me how the world watched Germans invade Poland: "this is Germany we're talking about, a powerful country, a war machine, who would want to start a conflict?" And guess what, few months later France was waving a white flag. Russians are already bragging how their tanks haven't visited Poland and Germany for a long time and how long it would take them to get there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hud6PmnL8IY

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So the western world should just stand and watch as Russia invades a province after province? This reminds me how the world watched Germans invade Poland: "this is Germany we're talking about, a powerful country, a war machine, who would want to start a conflict?" And guess what, few months later France was waving a white flag. Russians are already bragging how their tanks haven't visited Poland and Germany for a long time and how long it would take them to get there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hud6PmnL8IY

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Among Cold War presidents, from Truman to Bush I, there was an unwritten rule: Do not challenge Moscow in its Central and Eastern Europe sphere of influence.

In crises over Berlin in 1948 and 1961, the Hungarian Revolution in 1956 and the Warsaw Pact invasion of Prague in 1968, U.S. forces in Europe stayed in their barracks.

We saw the Elbe as Moscow’s red line, and they saw it as ours.

While Reagan sent weapons to anti-Communist rebels in Angola, Nicaragua and Afghanistan, to the heroic Poles of Gdansk he sent only mimeograph machines.

That Cold War caution and prudence may be at an end.

For President Obama is being goaded by Congress and the liberal interventionists in his party to send lethal weaponry to Kiev in its civil war with pro-Russian rebels in Donetsk and Luhansk.

America has never had a vital interest in Crimea or the Donbass worth risking a military clash with Russia. And we do not have the military ability to intervene and drive out the Russian army, unless we are prepared for a larger war and the potential devastation of the Ukraine.

What would Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon or Reagan think of an American president willing to risk military conflict with a nuclear-armed Russia over two provinces in southeastern Ukraine that Moscow had ruled from the time of Catherine the Great?

What is happening in Ukraine is a tragedy and a disaster. And we are in part responsible, having egged on the Maidan coup that overthrew the elected pro-Russian government.


But a greater disaster looms if we get ourselves embroiled in Ukraine’s civil war. We would face, first, the near certainty of defeat for our allies, if not ourselves. Second, we would push Moscow further outside Europe and the West, leaving her with no alternative but to deepen ties to a rising China.

More...http://buchanan.org/blog/u-s-russia-clash-in-ukraine-15550

Pat makes a great point. This isn't Qaddafi or Saddam Hussein. Major repercussions could ensue with this meddling.

the opportunity to fully reverse all American systems deployed, and from the American side to finally arrest those supporting such outsourcing, but apparently it isn't part of the master plan of the controllers... go figure, they must be profiting somewhere Cheesy. What ever you know.

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