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February 18, 2015, 12:18:40 AM
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February 18, 2015, 12:25:11 AM
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That is a standard not a "control".

Bitcoin is full of standards that are enforced by the consensus code, it is not centralization it is just making sure everyone is talking the same thing.  Checkout the growing list of standards here;-

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Improvement_Proposals


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February 18, 2015, 12:28:18 AM
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No one can control the blockchain afaik
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February 18, 2015, 12:52:51 AM
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That is a standard not a "control".

Bitcoin is full of standards that are enforced by the consensus code, it is not centralization it is just making sure everyone is talking the same thing.  Checkout the growing list of standards here;-

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Improvement_Proposals


EDIT:  WTF is a gropwing?  Some sort of perverted bird my spell checker came up with!

"Bitcoin Improvement Proposals" are in no way Standards, they are a way of proposing an improvement as to how the system runs or operates.

Standards Meaning: a required or agreed level of quality or attainment

For example; Department of Health in any Country sets standards that restaurants need to follow or they are set with a fine or shut down!


If this was a Proposal of Improvement then that would be a different story but it states that it is a standard which is imposing that everyone is to follow it. Open Source platforms are filled with improvements of many types but NOT standards. Which is why there are many different coins with many different grounds, people express there ideas with improvements which others may or may not agree with!


To sum it up "Standard" is a strong word if this is an Improvement Proposal.

Nope, those BIPS are standards. Much in the same way there are standards for HTTP and other protocols. We need to have these so that all wallets will play nice with each other. You are not forced to obey by them but if you don't then your application will be non-compliant with the standard. For example electrum implements BIP39 but have they made some changes to their implementation because they wanted to use their own dictionary, so electrum is non-compliant with BIP39.

https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0001.mediawiki#BIP_Types

For example; Department of Health in any Country sets standards that restaurants need to follow or they are set with a fine or shut down!

Standards aren't enforced by law, those are called regulations.

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February 18, 2015, 01:01:29 AM
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Is this suppose to be a bad thing?

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February 18, 2015, 01:02:05 AM
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Did you really just read what you wrote?


If you don't follow an HTTP Standard then your application will be deemed as non-compliant.


Weather they are enforced by a "Law" or not they are still enforced. By deeming an application as Non-Compliant is technically classed as enforcement as it could trigger many other results!

Well we have standards or rules for bitcoin clients, such as that there may only be 21 million Bitcoins ever in existence. If you write your own client and your one believes there may be 22 million bitcoins in existence, then it's not compliant and therefore not a Bitcoin client. Another example is if you decided to write a Bitcoin client that generated Bitcoin addresses that start with a 7, all Bitcoin addresses must begin with a 1 or a 3, so your clients addresses won't work with other clients, those will deem them invalid addresses. Thats why we need standards otherwise wallets wouldn't talk to each other. It makes sense to have standard for security, I will remind you that the people who are writing these security "standards" are in no way affiliated with the Bitcoin foundation, Core developers nor do they have any control over the Bitcoin network. These standards are in no way standards that the entire network is supposed to employ like standard track BIP's. Anyone could draft up such a standard and if people want to follow it they can.

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February 18, 2015, 01:06:21 AM
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If you don't follow an HTTP Standard then your application will be deemed as non-compliant.

And it is fine to be non standards compliant, no one is going to put you in jail.  (It might not work though)

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February 18, 2015, 01:15:25 AM
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The "Standards" this is putting in place is basically demeaning what opensource is about!

You have no idea what you are talking about. All software needs to have standards, if it didn't then an MP3 would only work on certain music players and a text file would only work in certain word processors. Open source software does have standards. A "security" standard is somewhat different, but keep in mind that this standard is just something these guys drafted. There is nothing stopping me from drafting a "Blazr Bitcoin Exchange Security Standard". If exchanges wanted to follow my standard they could but they don't have to and are free to completely ignore me if they want.

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February 18, 2015, 01:26:47 AM
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Sorry, do you only like threads when everyone agrees with you?

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February 18, 2015, 01:33:52 AM
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February 18, 2015, 01:48:52 AM
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