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February 18, 2015, 12:44:10 PM
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XMR.TO - official support thread
Pay the world, using Monero.

Hey,

We made this new service called XMR.TO. It allows you to pay any Bitcoin address using Monero.

Have a look at the website, it explains all the details: https://xmr.to

We're still in beta, so there might be some glitches. In case of problems, don't hesitate to contact us or just reply here. Any feedback is welcome!

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February 18, 2015, 12:44:32 PM
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I confirm my involvement Smiley

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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February 18, 2015, 01:14:40 PM
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This is great work, and much needed. It can also work simply as a currency exchange.

Can you tell me how the exchange rate is calculated, and how the service is funded? I'm happy if you take a small slice during the process.

EDIT: another thought: what is the trust model here?
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February 18, 2015, 01:43:08 PM
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This is great work, and much needed. It can also work simply as a currency exchange.

Can you tell me how the exchange rate is calculated, and how the service is funded? I'm happy if you take a small slice during the process.

EDIT: another thought: what is the trust model here?
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Service is currently founded with personal funds. The exchange rate is based on poloniex one at the moment, though we might change this in the future depending on market/third-party sources.

Trust involved regarding your privacy: Not much. Your payment goes through XMR wich is anonymous. You visit the page and we can log your IP, so if you want to be safe you can reach xmr.to through TOR or I2P and you're good. Moreover for your (and our) peace of mind, we purge automatically absolutely every information regarding your order after 144 confirmations of the bitcoin transaction (1 day).

Trust involved regarding us not stealing funds: you got to trust us. But there is little incentive for us to do that, as payments are nearly instant if anything goes wrong people would notice quickly. We couldn't steal much doing that, and that amount would be much much less than what is the reputation of the service, and our personal reputations worth. Some people in Monero community also know us in real life, if that can help. Smiley

EDIT: Many people in Bitcoin community know us too, thought it was obvious so I didn't mention.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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February 18, 2015, 01:47:38 PM
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now i am able to order pizza with monero Cheesy
and now i can make sure my german health issurance never knows how much of that crap i eat....

for real: thank you... really nice and needed service.

perhaps in the future if all goes well you could add fiat and get the next bitpay - wish you all the best

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February 18, 2015, 02:56:18 PM
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Nice work guys! Would it be an idea to make some graphs with the amount of transactions at the end of each month? In that way we could get a nice view on how much Monero is really used.

Privacy matters, use Monero - A true untraceable cryptocurrency
Why Monero matters? http://weuse.cash/2016/03/05/bitcoiners-hedge-your-position/
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February 18, 2015, 06:15:14 PM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.

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February 18, 2015, 06:17:06 PM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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February 18, 2015, 06:21:15 PM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?


maybe your sending address so someone can proove he did the btc payment

edit: this *could* be made if you show a standard message "paid xx btc to 1jf on mm/dd/yyyy" which you sign with on of your addresses which was used in this transactions. when you use a default text all should be save

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February 18, 2015, 09:55:11 PM
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Nice one guys, great work!

Will test it out soon to make my first anonymous bitcoin purchase Cheesy
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February 19, 2015, 11:45:57 AM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?


maybe your sending address so someone can proove he did the btc payment

edit: this *could* be made if you show a standard message "paid xx btc to 1jf on mm/dd/yyyy" which you sign with on of your addresses which was used in this transactions. when you use a default text all should be save

Yes that would be possible.
I suppose allowing the user to enter an arbitrary text to sign is also safe, assuming we concatenate that text with a fixed string (for instance "signed message: " + <string_of_user>).
If it's useful we can do that.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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February 19, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?


maybe your sending address so someone can proove he did the btc payment

edit: this *could* be made if you show a standard message "paid xx btc to 1jf on mm/dd/yyyy" which you sign with on of your addresses which was used in this transactions. when you use a default text all should be save

Yes that would be possible.
I suppose allowing the user to enter an arbitrary text to sign is also safe, assuming we concatenate that text with a fixed string (for instance "signed message: " + <string_of_user>).
If it's useful we can do that.

Sorry, I don't understand this. You want to sign the message above using our bitcoin address to prove that we did the payment? If yes, this exists already: it's called a transaction. Wink
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February 19, 2015, 02:28:29 PM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?


maybe your sending address so someone can proove he did the btc payment

edit: this *could* be made if you show a standard message "paid xx btc to 1jf on mm/dd/yyyy" which you sign with on of your addresses which was used in this transactions. when you use a default text all should be save

Yes that would be possible.
I suppose allowing the user to enter an arbitrary text to sign is also safe, assuming we concatenate that text with a fixed string (for instance "signed message: " + <string_of_user>).
If it's useful we can do that.

Sorry, I don't understand this. You want to sign the message above using our bitcoin address to prove that we did the payment? If yes, this exists already: it's called a transaction. Wink

Imagine 10 people having to renew their monthly subscription to a service on the same day. The merchant only receives 9, but all 10 people claim they did send funds. Pointing at transactions wouldn't be of any use then, since you can point to another one that is not yours.

Monero's privacy and therefore fungibility are MUCH stronger than Bitcoin's. 
This makes Monero a better candidate to deserve the term "digital cash".
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February 19, 2015, 03:10:36 PM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?


maybe your sending address so someone can proove he did the btc payment

edit: this *could* be made if you show a standard message "paid xx btc to 1jf on mm/dd/yyyy" which you sign with on of your addresses which was used in this transactions. when you use a default text all should be save

Yes that would be possible.
I suppose allowing the user to enter an arbitrary text to sign is also safe, assuming we concatenate that text with a fixed string (for instance "signed message: " + <string_of_user>).
If it's useful we can do that.

Sorry, I don't understand this. You want to sign the message above using our bitcoin address to prove that we did the payment? If yes, this exists already: it's called a transaction. Wink

Imagine 10 people having to renew their monthly subscription to a service on the same day. The merchant only receives 9, but all 10 people claim they did send funds. Pointing at transactions wouldn't be of any use then, since you can point to another one that is not yours.

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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?


maybe your sending address so someone can proove he did the btc payment

edit: this *could* be made if you show a standard message "paid xx btc to 1jf on mm/dd/yyyy" which you sign with on of your addresses which was used in this transactions. when you use a default text all should be save

Yes that would be possible.
I suppose allowing the user to enter an arbitrary text to sign is also safe, assuming we concatenate that text with a fixed string (for instance "signed message: " + <string_of_user>).
If it's useful we can do that.

Sorry, I don't understand this. You want to sign the message above using our bitcoin address to prove that we did the payment? If yes, this exists already: it's called a transaction. Wink

Imagine 10 people having to renew their monthly subscription to a service on the same day. The merchant only receives 9, but all 10 people claim they did send funds. Pointing at transactions wouldn't be of any use then, since you can point to another one that is not yours.

btw if you need any help with DB2/NoSql/JS/Node/CSS/HTML/C#/Scheme or bitcoin in general (unlikeliy Wink) feel free to contact me (my english and my design skills sucks, but i am good at coding).

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February 19, 2015, 03:26:37 PM
Last edit: April 13, 2015, 03:53:11 PM by arnuschky
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XMR.TO beta API docs

XMR.TO can be used via it's API. Below, you can find the preliminary docs for our beta API.
(It's preliminary as the API might change during our BETA phase, and we will write a better version of the doce once it stabilized!)

NOTE: this API is currently in beta and might change without prior notice!


XMR.TO API docs

We just released our new API!

For the full documentation, click here: http://xmrto-api.readthedocs.org/

Wallet developers, contact me or support@xmr.to if you plan to integrate XMR.TO and need some help!
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February 19, 2015, 03:28:37 PM
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Is it possible to also sign a message? Maybe in the future.



Don't get it. You'd like to sign what with what key?


maybe your sending address so someone can proove he did the btc payment

edit: this *could* be made if you show a standard message "paid xx btc to 1jf on mm/dd/yyyy" which you sign with on of your addresses which was used in this transactions. when you use a default text all should be save

Yes that would be possible.
I suppose allowing the user to enter an arbitrary text to sign is also safe, assuming we concatenate that text with a fixed string (for instance "signed message: " + <string_of_user>).
If it's useful we can do that.

I am sure it is useful but personally i just want to send a small donation to wikileaks stating that this was the first wikileaks donation with monero Tongue
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February 19, 2015, 05:33:45 PM
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Thank you for adding the API specification, it will definitely be helpul for developers, and thus, for end-users. Wink

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March 24, 2015, 03:13:12 PM
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We're currently stabilizing our API to get it out of beta asap.
We hope that we can then progress with the integration of XMR.TO into other services (eg., wallets).

Developers, now is the time to make comments and suggestions!  Cool
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March 30, 2015, 01:36:20 AM
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I'm sure this isn't the first time it's been asked, but I couldn't find it mentioned in this thread.

What is the possibility of adding a feature to have XMR.TO to work the other way around -- i.e. pay any Monero address using Bitcoin?
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April 13, 2015, 03:50:24 PM
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I'm sure this isn't the first time it's been asked, but I couldn't find it mentioned in this thread.

What is the possibility of adding a feature to have XMR.TO to work the other way around -- i.e. pay any Monero address using Bitcoin?

We're currently looking into developing that. Unfortunately, we didn't plan for it, so it's more work than it should be.
However, the community seems to need such a service to we will most likely add it at some point.
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