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February 19, 2015, 09:21:00 AM
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Sometimes I dream and have great ideas, well, at least I think they are.
Most of the times I don't have the time or capital to work them out so they are put aside and I move on.

But since I think they are good, I want to preserve the ideas and make them public without the risk of them being destroyed.

And then there was the blockchain, perfect!

Now, how can I easily put some text into op_return with a transaction?

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February 19, 2015, 09:41:11 AM
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you can do it with the blockchain.info wallet.

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February 19, 2015, 09:45:00 AM
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you can do it with the blockchain.info wallet.
No, you can't. The nodes added to transactions are only readable on blockchain.info itself. It's a centralized system and has nothing to do with the blockchain.

findftp, you could checkout Coinsecrets. It shows OP_RETURN transactions and has a PHP library to create them yourself: php-OP_RETURN. The library requires a Unix based system, PHP 5.x or later and bitcoin-cli installed. You also need to have some BTC in the wallet itself to send the transaction (of course).

You could also checkout CryptoGraffiti, but this doesn't work with OP_RETURN. I forgot what they use though.

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February 19, 2015, 09:50:43 AM
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you can do it with the blockchain.info wallet.
Nou you can't. The nodes added to transactions are only readable on blockchain.info. It's a centralized system and has nothing to do with the blockchain itself.



yes you can

https://blockchain.info/tx/3d29f43a3278281192943276049c15e5f0d8c7e75d4d99a4cd6693113a948f48

It does not use OP_DROP as that would make the tx non standard. The public key is simply the ASCII message. Look at the last output and hex decode 4d6573736167653a205468616e6b20596f7520466f722054686520427567205265706f7274202d2 07069756b. Messages exceeding 120 bytes will be added in an additional outputs.

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February 19, 2015, 09:53:05 AM
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yes you can

https://blockchain.info/tx/3d29f43a3278281192943276049c15e5f0d8c7e75d4d99a4cd6693113a948f48

It does not use OP_DROP as that would make the tx non standard. The public key is simply the ASCII message. Look at the last output and hex decode 4d6573736167653a205468616e6b20596f7520466f722054686520427567205265706f7274202d2 07069756b. Messages exceeding 120 bytes will be added in an additional outputs.
I know that you can find messages and convert it from Hex to ASCII, but findftp asks how he can add them and I don't know of any functionality on Blockchain.info to do so. Did they recently add it?

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February 19, 2015, 09:54:10 AM
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yes you can

https://blockchain.info/tx/3d29f43a3278281192943276049c15e5f0d8c7e75d4d99a4cd6693113a948f48

It does not use OP_DROP as that would make the tx non standard. The public key is simply the ASCII message. Look at the last output and hex decode 4d6573736167653a205468616e6b20596f7520466f722054686520427567205265706f7274202d2 07069756b. Messages exceeding 120 bytes will be added in an additional outputs.
I know that you can find messages and convert it from Hex to ASCII, but findftp asks how he can add them and I don't know of any functionality on Blockchain.info to add such a message. Did they recently add it?

yes

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February 19, 2015, 09:55:31 AM
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yes
Well, that's a clear answer. Care to explain how, because that's what the OP wants to know. Tongue

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February 19, 2015, 10:36:04 AM
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you can do it with the blockchain.info wallet.
No, you can't. The nodes added to transactions are only readable on blockchain.info itself. It's a centralized system and has nothing to do with the blockchain.

findftp, you could checkout Coinsecrets. It shows OP_RETURN transactions and has a PHP library to create them yourself: php-OP_RETURN. The library requires a Unix based system, PHP 5.x or later and bitcoin-cli installed. You also need to have some BTC in the wallet itself to send the transaction (of course).
Thanks. This might be what I'm looking for!


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You could also checkout CryptoGraffiti, but this doesn't work with OP_RETURN. I forgot what they use though.

Yeah, I've seen them also in the past, but as far as I know they don't put the message into OP_RETURN
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February 19, 2015, 10:38:00 AM
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yes you can

https://blockchain.info/tx/3d29f43a3278281192943276049c15e5f0d8c7e75d4d99a4cd6693113a948f48

It does not use OP_DROP as that would make the tx non standard. The public key is simply the ASCII message. Look at the last output and hex decode 4d6573736167653a205468616e6b20596f7520466f722054686520427567205265706f7274202d2 07069756b. Messages exceeding 120 bytes will be added in an additional outputs.
I know that you can find messages and convert it from Hex to ASCII, but findftp asks how he can add them and I don't know of any functionality on Blockchain.info to add such a message. Did they recently add it?

yes

Thanks, but it's not what I'm looking for.
I want it to be readable without conversion from hex to ascii
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February 19, 2015, 10:39:53 AM
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Thanks, but it's not what I'm looking for.
I want it to be readable without conversion from hex to ascii
Well, you won't be able to do that. As far as I know, all messages in the Blockchain are hex encoded. Coinsecrets and CryptoGraffiti just convert it back for you.

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February 19, 2015, 10:46:31 AM
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Thanks, but it's not what I'm looking for.
I want it to be readable without conversion from hex to ascii
Well, you won't be able to do that. As far as I know, all messages in the Blockchain are hex encoded. Coinsecrets and CryptoGraffiti just convert it back for you.

So you say that OP_RETURN is actually hex encoded as well?

Then how about this? See output scripts (enable advanced view)
https://blockchain.info/tx/b17a027a8f7ae0db4ddbaa58927d0f254e97fce63b7e57e8e50957d3dad2e66e?show_adv=true
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Thanks, but it's not what I'm looking for.
I want it to be readable without conversion from hex to ascii
Well, you won't be able to do that. As far as I know, all messages in the Blockchain are hex encoded. Coinsecrets and CryptoGraffiti just convert it back for you.

So you say that OP_RETURN is actually hex encoded as well?

Then how about this? See output scripts (enable advanced view)
https://blockchain.info/tx/b17a027a8f7ae0db4ddbaa58927d0f254e97fce63b7e57e8e50957d3dad2e66e?show_adv=true

Yes they are hexencoded. (see the decoded Wink ). But it's in no way hard to read opreturn from any insight based explorer. ( https://jsfiddle.net/zLy7awea/ basic fiddle) . Also made an app of it as testtool. (https://twitter.com/StrikerBee/status/564040633078128641 ).
(Gist here if you want to build it yourself, only permission is camera for the qr code scanner. https://gist.github.com/Biersteker/9b3b7719d0f94369062a)
For signing stuff i recommend the php op_return script, but it can also be done with bitcoinJS (for example: http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/30834/create-op-return-tx-with-bitcoinjs-lib)


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February 19, 2015, 11:24:26 AM
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As you know the size of OP_return of a transaction is only 40 byte (in the future will be "rise" to 80 byte) so you can't put as much word, but you can put an hash of a file that you own (for prove that idea/file is yours).
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February 20, 2015, 09:16:52 AM
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As you know the size of OP_return of a transaction is only 40 byte (in the future will be "rise" to 80 byte) so you can't put as much word, but you can put an hash of a file that you own (for prove that idea/file is yours).

Instead of putting the hash of a file into the OP_RETURN, you can also use the hash of a file as a public key instead (like www.proofofexistence.com)
What would be the benefit to put it in the OP_RETURN?
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As you know the size of OP_return of a transaction is only 40 byte (in the future will be "rise" to 80 byte) so you can't put as much word, but you can put an hash of a file that you own (for prove that idea/file is yours).

Instead of putting the hash of a file into the OP_RETURN, you can also use the hash of a file as a public key instead (like www.proofofexistence.com)
What would be the benefit to put it in the OP_RETURN?
Knowing the address for repetitive signing . Wink

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February 28, 2015, 09:49:11 PM
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As you know the size of OP_return of a transaction is only 40 byte (in the future will be "rise" to 80 byte) so you can't put as much word, but you can put an hash of a file that you own (for prove that idea/file is yours).

Instead of putting the hash of a file into the OP_RETURN, you can also use the hash of a file as a public key instead (like www.proofofexistence.com)
What would be the benefit to put it in the OP_RETURN?
Knowing the address for repetitive signing . Wink

Could you elaborate?
In both instances you know the address no?
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How can I put messages on my transactions within Bitcoin-qt?
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March 01, 2015, 05:13:20 AM
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My guess is that a LOT of money is going to be made in posting data on the blockchain.  I have been experimenting...:

transaction number: 6a9922d3267b3b479a68215c68a81d4c308d71288f2c58d36c796eb01c938293

Using blockchain.info you can note the OP_RETURN script, which pretty much matches coinsecrets.org:

 j tu�܊=��1���S�1�N��1�{sN����

(Above using bitproof.com)

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I also did something similar using proofofexistence.com, but that information is on my office computer, not here.  Sad

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My guess is that a LOT of money is going to be made in posting data on the blockchain.  I have been experimenting...:

transaction number: 6a9922d3267b3b479a68215c68a81d4c308d71288f2c58d36c796eb01c938293

Using blockchain.info you can note the OP_RETURN script, which pretty much matches coinsecrets.org:

 j tu�܊=��1���S�1�N��1�{sN����

(Above using bitproof.com)

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I also did something similar using proofofexistence.com, but that information is on my office computer, not here.  Sad



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March 01, 2015, 05:28:25 AM
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BlindMayorBitcorn jump-started my brain (thanks!) enough to remember the thread where I mentioned two other ways of posting data, the first can be read via blockchain.info:

transaction no.: 4b1cd9f9e68a348eba331c9458ed59f59464ff993a0262905ef643439c153bb9

The message:

http://goo.gl/k7zxjp

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A document that I had proofofexistence.com run a hash and post:

transaction no.: 09c388c5e1ef405751fb5dccb0767ed5f77f5f7f209def56ccae6433a111761b
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