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February 24, 2015, 02:11:18 PM
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Yeah, you know making business in Russia in the 90s was a little risky and, err... bloody, mildly speaking. So you are going to say that Berezovsky didn't die on his own, but had been assassinated by Khodorkovsky's accomplices?
I think so, because I don't believe in coincidences when there is a dozen of accidents and suicides.

Some others who had business with Khodorkovsky:

Steven Curtis, died in 2004
Paul Castle, died in 2010
Robert Curtis, died in 2012
David West, died in 2014
Johnny Elichaoff, died in 2014
Scot Young, died in 2014

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February 24, 2015, 02:23:37 PM
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Funny. If the US wasn't spending exorbitant amounts of funding on defense I might believe Putin.

The US has the biggest army but Russia can compete.

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February 24, 2015, 02:26:05 PM
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You mean this democratic way ? 96% of the population ... do you include the amount of tatars ? Do we need to recall you ... and all Ukrainian who left ... ?

96% .... here is again the proof that it has been a real "dictator" takeover !

The voter turnout was 83.1%.

And Crimean Tatars are just 12% of the population in Crimea (Republic + Sevastopol).

Most of the Crimean Tatars (80% to 90%) boycotted the referendum.


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February 24, 2015, 02:37:56 PM
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Funny. If the US wasn't spending exorbitant amounts of funding on defense I might believe Putin.

The US has the biggest army but Russia can compete.

I think China has the biggest one, in terms of strength.

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February 24, 2015, 02:41:22 PM
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1. Putin has $200Billion
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.
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February 24, 2015, 03:25:46 PM
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1. Putin has $200Billion
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.

I think you are confusing torpedoes with cruise missiles launched from submarines. Russian cruise missile P-700 Granit has speed of 2.5 Mach.
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February 24, 2015, 03:33:47 PM
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Funny. If the US wasn't spending exorbitant amounts of funding on defense I might believe Putin.

The US has the biggest army but Russia can compete.

I think China has the biggest one, in terms of strength.
I have a feeling that if it actually came to a land war (it won't) the Russians would quickly be shown up and routed.
They have lots of troops and good equipment, but even stuff that is 10 years old is pretty much antiquated now.  I think their air defences would be fine to start with, but would be targetted pretty quickly and then the air dominance of the americans would show.

Like I say, I don't think it will happen, but the fact that America spends so much more than the rest of the worlds surely means that they have the best technology too
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February 24, 2015, 03:35:28 PM
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They said that during the cold war also. Somehow we managed to beat them while partying for decades.

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February 24, 2015, 04:01:16 PM
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Funny. If the US wasn't spending exorbitant amounts of funding on defense I might believe Putin.

The US has the biggest army but Russia can compete.

I think China has the biggest one, in terms of strength.
I have a feeling that if it actually came to a land war (it won't) the Russians would quickly be shown up and routed.
They have lots of troops and good equipment, but even stuff that is 10 years old is pretty much antiquated now.  I think their air defences would be fine to start with, but would be targetted pretty quickly and then the air dominance of the americans would show.

Do you know when Boeing B-52 Stratofortress bomber entered service?
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February 24, 2015, 04:05:08 PM
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tee-rex, yes, to NATO and their cohorts (including Souldream here) land is more important than people - the atrocities happening in Novorossia is the testimony to that. They are still butthurt that a promised NATO base had a audacity to pack up and walk away. Smiley As Ron Paul said, if some people decided to secede from RF, then it would be hailed as triumph of democracy the the West, however questionable the procedure, and conversely, if other decide to ascend into RF, it will automatically be blackpainted by the West. Simple hypocrisy.

The whole question of Crimean referendum is actually moot, given that 60 years ago Crimea was transferred to Ukraine illegally and unconstitutionally. The transition was not noticed much, as all happened within the single space of USSR, so people continued to be Russian, speak Russian, and quietly grumbled in the kitchens about some idiot transferring them to Ukraine.

There is also a question of Sevastopol. In USSR is was a "city of state significance", and always reported directly to Moscow - it wasn't a part of Crimea and UkrainianSSR. After USSR, Sevastopol was supposed to retain its status within RF, but was occupied by force by the Ukraine. Ukraine even tried to Ukrainise it by changing the words of the Sevastopol's anthem from "Legendary Sevastopol/The city of Russian sailors" to "Legendary Sevastopol/The city of Ukrainian warriors".

The real forced Ukrainiasation started after the dismemberment of USSR. And the silent protest grew as well. You could often spot homes, where people had Russian flags hanging out of the balconies as a sign of protest. Crimeans' returning to Russia was a question of time, and it's good that it happened sooner and peacefully than later and in a violent protest. Ukraine hoped for the latter option - how else can one explain the Right Sector weapons caches uncovered in Yalta, that were planned to be used to disrupt the referendum?


I have a feeling that if it actually came to a land war (it won't) the Russians would quickly be shown up and routed.
They have lots of troops and good equipment, but even stuff that is 10 years old is pretty much antiquated now.  I think their air defences would be fine to start with, but would be targetted pretty quickly and then the air dominance of the americans would show.

Do you know when Boeing B-52 Stratofortress bomber entered service?

And some stuff in Russian defence is pretty new. To watch the following, understanding Russian is a bonus, but not necessary. Wink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOnx3J5Axk

A short summary: it's an interview with Russia's defence minister Shojgu from the new command center, showing some unclassified parts of it. This center is capable of controlling all of Russia's economy, communications and military activity and has a processing power that is several orders higher than the Western counterparts.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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February 24, 2015, 05:37:40 PM
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They all say that, it's the usual propaganda.

Indeed, the military budget of each country speaks the most volumes
In terms of weaponry Russia is still no slowpoke there but can be matched by Americans
Then again depends what type of military strength one talks about infantry air submarines etc.

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February 24, 2015, 06:22:57 PM
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1. Putin has $200Billion
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.

I think you are confusing torpedoes with cruise missiles launched from submarines. Russian cruise missile P-700 Granit has speed of 2.5 Mach.

No, I'm not.  Wink
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February 24, 2015, 06:29:45 PM
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1. Putin has $200Billion
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.

I think you are confusing torpedoes with cruise missiles launched from submarines. Russian cruise missile P-700 Granit has speed of 2.5 Mach.

No, I'm not.  Wink

I just can't fancy a torpedo which would have the speed of twice the speed of sound (~700 m/s). At such speed water would behave more like concrete (unless it gets somehow evaporated en route).
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February 24, 2015, 06:39:10 PM
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1. Putin has $200Billion
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.

I think you are confusing torpedoes with cruise missiles launched from submarines. Russian cruise missile P-700 Granit has speed of 2.5 Mach.

No, I'm not.  Wink

I just can't fancy a torpedo which would have the speed of twice the speed of sound (~700 m/s). At such speed water would behave more like concrete (unless it gets somehow evaporated en route).

Fascinating, right ?  Smiley
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February 24, 2015, 06:39:48 PM
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1. Putin has $200Billion
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.

I think you are confusing torpedoes with cruise missiles launched from submarines. Russian cruise missile P-700 Granit has speed of 2.5 Mach.

No, I'm not.  Wink

I just can't fancy a torpedo which would have the speed of twice the speed of sound (~700 m/s). At such speed water would behave more like concrete (unless it gets somehow evaporated en route).

You are correct. Nothing moves close to that speed in the water. Not to mention that the speed of sound would be different in water. mishax1, could you be thinking of a sub launched missile?

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February 24, 2015, 06:41:14 PM
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1. Putin has $200Billion
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.

I think you are confusing torpedoes with cruise missiles launched from submarines. Russian cruise missile P-700 Granit has speed of 2.5 Mach.

No, I'm not.  Wink

I just can't fancy a torpedo which would have the speed of twice the speed of sound (~700 m/s). At such speed water would behave more like concrete (unless it gets somehow evaporated en route).

You are correct. Nothing moves close to that speed in the water. Not to mention that the speed of sound would be different in water. mishax1, could you be thinking of a sub launched missile?

I'll try to provide some clarification in the next days.
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February 24, 2015, 07:43:47 PM
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Probably has something to do with supercavitation effect used in USSR's Shkval torpedoes or improved variants thereof.
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does anybody know where to get 'Putin the Man' movie, want to see this movie..?

edit. found in german, need english version.

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February 24, 2015, 08:14:50 PM
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Probably has something to do with supercavitation effect used in USSR's Shkval torpedoes or improved variants thereof.

These torpedoes can do, as per Wikipeadia, only 370 km/h, which is somewhat faster that 100 m/s, i.e. more than three times less than the speed of sound in the air.
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February 24, 2015, 08:50:11 PM
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Probably has something to do with supercavitation effect used in USSR's Shkval torpedoes or improved variants thereof.

These torpedoes can do, as per Wikipeadia, only 370 km/h, which is somewhat faster that 100 m/s, i.e. more than three times less than the speed of sound in the air.

Although I'm not an expert in this, the technology has likely improved since 80's - 90's when it was first deployed. However, if supersonic claim is true, I wouldn't expect any official information about it to be freely available in the open.

Russia has changed a lot in a recent decade and will continue to do so, sanctions might actually accelerate some inner developments that are long overdue.
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