Why the US Government Is Terrified of Hobbyist Drones

[ajareselde]

The other side of it is, if enough common people attach cameras to drones, they will be able to record all the bad stuff government does. Videos of recognizable government people or government vehicles could cause all kinds of Senate inquiries into why government was doing whatever it was doing wherever it was doing it. This could get certain government agencies stripped of their funding, certain government people prison terms, and the objectives and agendas of the One-World-Government-Elite set back for years if not forever.

The response is in this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888096.0
Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police

Don't record government officials as citizens. Rather, do it as a man or woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

oh - my - god , what the hell did i just see in that video? that dude Karl Lentz is insane ! If i EVER was to be in a pickle with the law, i would definetly hire him.
to anyone that may read this message, take the ~20 min time and just listen to what he is saying. America is a heaven for people who can afford people like him.
In my country, no matter how right u may be, the jusge would scentance you anyways, but damn that was awesome.

@op regarding drones, drones are relatively new tech on the market, and therefore have little law regulation, but that will surely change.
it is obvious that the tech can be used for many illegal activities, and they have every right to regulate it, but not to ban it ofcourse.

cheers

[(oYo)]

The other side of it is, if enough common people attach cameras to drones, they will be able to record all the bad stuff government does. Videos of recognizable government people or government vehicles could cause all kinds of Senate inquiries into why government was doing whatever it was doing wherever it was doing it. This could get certain government agencies stripped of their funding, certain government people prison terms, and the objectives and agendas of the One-World-Government-Elite set back for years if not forever.

The response is in this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888096.0
Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police

Don't record government officials as citizens. Rather, do it as a man or woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

oh - my - god , what the hell did i just see in that video? that dude Karl Lentz is insane ! If i EVER was to be in a pickle with the law, i would definetly hire him.
to anyone that may read this message, take the ~20 min time and just listen to what he is saying. America is a heaven for people who can afford people like him.
In my country, no matter how right u may be, the jusge would scentance you anyways, but damn that was awesome.

@op regarding drones, drones are relatively new tech on the market, and therefore have little law regulation, but that will surely change.
it is obvious that the tech can be used for many illegal activities, and they have every right to regulate it, but not to ban it ofcourse.

cheers

If only everyone knew Common Law and were able to express themselves as well as Karl Lentz there would be no injustices perpetrated by the courts against them. I am aware of Common Law, yet I would not be able to express myself well enough in order to prevent the courts from molesting me and my rights.

[jaysabi]

The other side of it is, if enough common people attach cameras to drones, they will be able to record all the bad stuff government does. Videos of recognizable government people or government vehicles could cause all kinds of Senate inquiries into why government was doing whatever it was doing wherever it was doing it. This could get certain government agencies stripped of their funding, certain government people prison terms, and the objectives and agendas of the One-World-Government-Elite set back for years if not forever.

The response is in this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888096.0
Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police

Don't record government officials as citizens. Rather, do it as a man or woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

That guy is an idiot. He just mumbled a bunch of unintelligible gibberish while doing an unintentional Christopher Walken impersonation. Here is verbatim what he said:

Well a person-- well, a man or woman-- when they enter into the court, better come into the court... house with their court, and their courtiers. They better not be coming in a courthouse in somebody else's case or then they're going to be defined by the rules of the court in which they're entering into. Because when I bring my court to court, I'm gonna have my court at the county court, or at the federal court. I'm not gonna be in the federal court because to be in a court, you're to be bound by the elements of that court and the rules of that court. Like if we were gonna meet at-- would you rather meet me at that big tree or at that rock, or would you rather meet me in that rock? If we meet at the rock, it's not gonna be too painful, but if we meet in the rock you're considered an element of that rock and we're gonna be bound by the laws of physics or whatever law that court or that rock, you know, subscribes to. The rules of that court are gonna be held within that rock, you see what I'm saying?

I find it hard to believe anyone can see what he's saying. What's for certain is that nothing he said is a legal concept, it's hardly even a concept. New flash: refusing to submit to the jurisdiction of a court is not a defense, and doesn't magically keep the court from claiming jurisdiction over you. The courts do not need your consent to have jurisdiction over you, and you cannot bring 'your own court' to court to challenge the legitimacy of the court. Most importantly, none of this gobbledygook releases you from the verdict of the court.

[Tusk]

The other side of it is, if enough common people attach cameras to drones, they will be able to record all the bad stuff government does. Videos of recognizable government people or government vehicles could cause all kinds of Senate inquiries into why government was doing whatever it was doing wherever it was doing it. This could get certain government agencies stripped of their funding, certain government people prison terms, and the objectives and agendas of the One-World-Government-Elite set back for years if not forever.

The response is in this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888096.0
Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police

Don't record government officials as citizens. Rather, do it as a man or woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

That guy is an idiot. He just mumbled a bunch of unintelligible gibberish while doing an unintentional Christopher Walken impersonation. Here is verbatim what he said:

Well a person-- well, a man or woman-- when they enter into the court, better come into the court... house with their court, and their courtiers. They better not be coming in a courthouse in somebody else's case or then they're going to be defined by the rules of the court in which they're entering into. Because when I bring my court to court, I'm gonna have my court at the county court, or at the federal court. I'm not gonna be in the federal court because to be in a court, you're to be bound by the elements of that court and the rules of that court. Like if we were gonna meet at-- would you rather meet me at that big tree or at that rock, or would you rather meet me in that rock? If we meet at the rock, it's not gonna be too painful, but if we meet in the rock you're considered an element of that rock and we're gonna be bound by the laws of physics or whatever law that court or that rock, you know, subscribes to. The rules of that court are gonna be held within that rock, you see what I'm saying?

I find it hard to believe anyone can see what he's saying. What's for certain is that nothing he said is a legal concept, it's hardly even a concept. New flash: refusing to submit to the jurisdiction of a court is not a defense, and doesn't magically keep the court from claiming jurisdiction over you. The courts do not need your consent to have jurisdiction over you, and you cannot bring 'your own court' to court to challenge the legitimacy of the court. Most importantly, none of this gobbledygook releases you from the verdict of the court.

LOL have you ever listened to legal proceedings of a court? They just as incoherent, until not so long ago you had to study Latin to become a lawyer  

[Tusk]

A guy who is doing interesting work in unpicking the the nest of "spells" cast by legalease is Freeman Burt its all about semantics

Here is a link to a recent discussion on the subject

Freemen Roundtable – “Oaths & Affirmations”

http://media.blubrry.com/gnosticmedia/p/www.gnosticmedia.com/podcast/GnosticMedia_PC_224_FreemenRoundtable_OathsAffirmations_md.mp3

from http://www.gnosticmedia.com/FreemenRoundtable-OathsAffirmations

[Brooker]

The other side of it is, if enough common people attach cameras to drones, they will be able to record all the bad stuff government does. Videos of recognizable government people or government vehicles could cause all kinds of Senate inquiries into why government was doing whatever it was doing wherever it was doing it. This could get certain government agencies stripped of their funding, certain government people prison terms, and the objectives and agendas of the One-World-Government-Elite set back for years if not forever.

The response is in this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888096.0
Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police

Don't record government officials as citizens. Rather, do it as a man or woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

That guy is an idiot. He just mumbled a bunch of unintelligible gibberish while doing an unintentional Christopher Walken impersonation. Here is verbatim what he said:

Exactly. I've seen someone recommending this guy on here before as if he's some courtroom magician. He talks absolute bullshit and anyone who thinks he can get you off jailtime is an idiot. If his system for beating The System worked everybody would be using it and there would be countless stories of it actually working not just a load of waffle.

[Ingatqhvq]

People think when they purchase something,they own it and should retain all control over it eh? Own a cell phone? A car? Property?
Not agreeing with those who want to control what you buy...just saying don't be naive; there is precious little that we buy that we have total control over.

[Whtwabbit]

Don't they assure us "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about"...

What are they worried about?

[pitham1]

People think when they purchase something,they own it and should retain all control over it eh? Own a cell phone? A car? Property?
Not agreeing with those who want to control what you buy...just saying don't be naive; there is precious little that we buy that we have total control over.

Hopefully we have total control over our bitcoins. 

[ajareselde]

The other side of it is, if enough common people attach cameras to drones, they will be able to record all the bad stuff government does. Videos of recognizable government people or government vehicles could cause all kinds of Senate inquiries into why government was doing whatever it was doing wherever it was doing it. This could get certain government agencies stripped of their funding, certain government people prison terms, and the objectives and agendas of the One-World-Government-Elite set back for years if not forever.

The response is in this thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888096.0
Illinois Just Made it a Felony for Its Citizens to Record the Police

Don't record government officials as citizens. Rather, do it as a man or woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

That guy is an idiot. He just mumbled a bunch of unintelligible gibberish while doing an unintentional Christopher Walken impersonation. Here is verbatim what he said:

Exactly. I've seen someone recommending this guy on here before as if he's some courtroom magician. He talks absolute bullshit and anyone who thinks he can get you off jailtime is an idiot. If his system for beating The System worked everybody would be using it and there would be countless stories of it actually working not just a load of waffle.

You do understand that there are actual cases where this man completely destoyed the oposite side with his "bullsh?t", and its all publicly available.
There are a lot of things you need to explore before telling someone that he is an idiot.
I agree that theres no chance you can use this to get away with anything, but you sure can help yourself with this sometimes.

cheers

[MrDove]

It is terrifying what hobbyists are doing with drones nowadays compared to what the government is using them for.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=967004.0

[(oYo)]

I think drones will become a big problem in the future. The terrorists could plan t a bomb on them ,and control and manipulate it remotely, to detonate almost anywhere sitting far away.

The "terrorists" have already been doing it for years. 

[BADecker]

I think drones will become a big problem in the future. The terrorists could plan t a bomb on them ,and control and manipulate it remotely, to detonate almost anywhere sitting far away.

The "terrorists" have already been doing it for years.  

I agree. But the thinking behind the terrorism is something like this.

The big bankers and oil people who run the government - the real terrorists - are trying to keep the U.S. dollar strong so that they can continue to control oil and the world through it.

Back in the mid '90s, they did to Kuwait, the same things that they are doing to Iraq, now. They took the Kuwaiti dinar, devalued it, then conquered Kuwait, and then revalued the Kuwaiti dinar to be near that of the U.S. dollar. They did this to prop the U.S. up with the oil of Kuwait.

This same basic thing is happening in Iraq right now. Iraq is close to becoming the "ally" that the bankers and oil people want. Afghanistan is a problem, but it, too, may finally be showing signs of succumbing.

At the time that we started the war with Iraq, the Iraqi dinar was valued at about 3.5 dinars to the dollar. Now it is valued at about 1165 dinars to the dollar. When we finally take over Iraq, and absorb them into our "oil society" so to speak, the Iraqi dinar will be re-valued to approximately equal to the dollar.

What does this have to do with the drones? The drones are being used to get rid of the dissidents, the anti-American Al-Qaeda, and others, the ones who are keeping us from the way we own the oil. The innocent people killed in the drone wars, are simply, incidental casualties of war, although their deaths may actually prop up our gains in our war for Middle East oil more than is understood.

The point? Twofold. It's all about oil and petro-dollars. If we win Iraq before the dollar crashes, the Iraqi dinar will revalue to near the price of the dollar, and those people who bought 1,000,000 Iraqi dinars for $1,000 USD, will be millionaires or close.

[calfries]

I think this event just goes to prove how unprepared the US government is to defend against small drone attacks.

Maybe they should create a defensive shield or screening device for drones that fly near vital areas?

[dyalldough]

That's exactly spot-on! They are afraid and have no control over hobby drones...yet!

[BADecker]

Government is more afraid of something else. They are afraid that people will find out that they can actually put the U.S. government down any time they want. The only two things holding the people back are: 1) they don't realize that they can do it or how; 2) some government laws are logical, so the people willingly obey them.

Take a look what Karl Lentz has to say about when some U.S. Marshals attempted to stop the law he was using. They wound up being friends - well, one of them, anyway - with him, because he is using the law in a simple way that can free people without the use of drones. With camera outfitted drones, combined with the law the way Karl uses it, no more income taxes, no more driving laws, no more drug raids for nothing, lots of innocent people out of prison, lots of government injustice reversed.

Listen to Karl on Youtube: Karl Lentz - Karl Meets the US Marshals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjjzjlzJz7E

[BADecker]

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/172204-2015-03-11-deputies-enter-mans-home-without-permission-order-delete-drone-footage.htm

http://photographyisnotacrime.com/blog/2015/03/florida-deputies-enter-mans-home-without-permission-ordering-him-to-delete-drone-footage-of-crime-scene/

[BitMos]

How to let "them" aka we the people have skills that can be harvested while keeping the domination on the people... harder than it appears to manage.

[DiFranco]

I think a lot of people will be terrified of drones especially when we start seeing them flying above us all the time. I think there could be massive privacy concerns as well. People will use them to terrorize neighbors and stalk ex girlfriends etc. All seems very distopian.