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February 25, 2015, 06:14:39 PM
Last edit: February 26, 2015, 08:56:34 AM by hypermaximalism
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Bitcoin foundation are now using one weird trick to distribute votes for the next electoral candidate on directly on the bitcoin blockchain. They are using CounterParty.. An eeurgh.. ALTCOIN which is actually specially formatted bitcoin transactions on the blockchain (just like colored coins) that enables the tracking of smart property-- except without centralised asset tracking servers or the strain of tracking many colors.  Bitcoin core devs hate him

pic related: voting system https://i.imgur.com/Yu0CZyuh.png

Now votes on candidates are on the blockchain open, and transparent for the world to observe: http://blockscan.com/votes (and anyone can create their own votes here)

(Before they were private and closed on a system called Helios. You or me could not learn of the voting stats till the results were published )

What do you think? Is this a positive step making advancements in the use of blockchain technology or a negative one and bitcoin foundation should be shamed for using bitcoin for applications other than sending BTC, and endorsing an 'altcoin'?


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February 25, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
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Don't know who this ginger dude is but he's mad as hell at the developments

https://i.imgur.com/FTospyf.png
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February 25, 2015, 08:27:32 PM
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Demz not very happy.

Good news for XCP, though. I'm going to assume that the previous voting system wasn't blockchain-based, so I see this as a positive development for 2nd gen crypto and the further use of blockchain technology. Voting is a perfect use for the blockchain, so kudos to the BTC Foundation for taking this step. Expect more voting on blockchains coming up soon.....could in fact be one of the 'killer apps' for blockchain tech.

Obviously, the BTC Foundation should have used NXT, if they wanted it to actually work properly  Grin (sorry, XCP, couldn't help myself)
but then I think the ginger lad would have had a complete heart attack.

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February 26, 2015, 06:57:53 AM
Last edit: February 26, 2015, 08:58:33 AM by hypermaximalism
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Here the other two stooges show up to voice their concerns:

https://i.imgur.com/nGApNMA.png

https://i.imgur.com/9WII8ls.png

Helios is apparently the best we have, even though they both admit not having fully audited it

and with statements like below, clearly a full understanding of the new system hasn't been reached

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"Perhaps someone can figure out how people voted based on block chain analysis"..

are you fucking kidding me...Is this really coming from a core dev?

Not perhaps. Absolutely they can. That is the whole point.. A side effect of transferring upon an open ledger. It's called transparency.

The "issue" of using the blockchain in an efficient manner is a moot one. Not even worth the time to address since it's common knowledge greg maxwell beleives anything beyond BTC transactions on bitcoin is making a mockery of the blockchain (despite the fact counterparty transactions are  slightly tweaked bitcoin transactions like colored coins) Newsflash: the current blockchain construct is inefficient Proof-of-work is inefficient. We do not need efficiency in a voting protocol. We need security, transparency and verifiability.

next the "issue" of vote selling is a fraudulent point raised by the pair. They know better so it's upsetting they would try to maintain otherwise. Helios credentials could be easily sold before1 regardless of the fact it's a "Secret ballot"and if not credentials outright, this is well known.

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1In Helios as well, if the credentials
of a voter have been leaked, they can be used to cast a vote
on voter’s behalf.

Helios 2.0 [2], [3]: This system is designed for lowcoercion
elections. It makes a few efforts to resist potential
coercion, for example by keeping secret from voters the
randoms in their ballots, but these efforts are easily defeated.
On the positive side, Helios 2.0 enjoys individual and
universal verifiability (but not eligibility verifiability)

http://www.gurchetan.com/papers/caveatcoercitor.pdf

single votes could be brought and independently verified by the purchaser- shoulder surfing, screensharing, attestation, e.g SSL proofs. Bad actors will be bad actors.  They both are being intentionally deceptive bringing this argument up. The mining-blacklisting article is almost as bad. vote transactions don't just get rejected and locked up into the ether.  

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"Most electronic voting schemes aim at providing verifiability: voters should trust the result without having to rely on some authorities. Actually, even a prominent voting system like Helios cannot fully achieve verifiability since a dishonest bulletin board may add ballots. This problem is called ballot stuffing."

"We further provide simple and natural criteria that imply weak verifiability. As an application of these criteria, we formally prove the latest variant of Helios by Bernhard, Pereira and Warinschi weakly verifiable" http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F978-3-319-11212-1_19
 

The bitcoin based system does not allow Ballot stuffing. It achieves extremely strong verifiability but they did not mention that in their criticism


Shameful deceptive display from these core devs. These consider themselves the blockchain police. They HATE any "Altcoin" and only view Bitcoin and Sidechains (The two projects they are invested in) as having potential. This is common knowledge to a passive observer who's followed drama from the past few years and can see where things are going. Luke-Jr and Gmaxwell are Blockstream co-founders (funded by $21 million wall st dollars)

luke-jr is the one who abused his power to blacklist mastercoin, counterparty,Luckybit, satoshidice, satosihibones and betcoin by default on some linux distributions http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pfgjg/exposed_lukejr_plans_on_forcing_blacklists_on_all/ and same guy who HATES spam on the bitcoin network yet abused his own pool to embed prayers inside the blockchain, without consulting it's users and abused his pool to kill other altcoins by 51% attack.

These are the same guys who tried (And succeeded for a while) in crippling the OP_RETURN limit then criticizing workarounds.

 It's clear they view anything not pure Bitcoin as a currency or Sidechains "For the magic" as distractions. They want to kill any project which does what their  currently vaporware Blockstream venture does as it harms their bottom line and do not have a problem distorting truths in order to serve their own interests.


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February 26, 2015, 08:31:21 AM
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Obviously, the BTC Foundation should have used NXT, if they wanted it to actually work properly  Grin (sorry, XCP, couldn't help myself)
but then I think the ginger lad would have had a complete heart attack.

I think they'd all resign if that ever happened, even if NXT had a holy-grail implementation

At least one core-dev is still furious about the swatting, Jeff still claims NXT is a "scamcoin" as is opinion shared by many core-devs towards many other alts, Regardless of what promise and innovation they may bring.

They're already shitting the bed here about supporting an altcoin. BTC foundation are gonna have to backtrack real fast and grovel to luke and greg for having the nerve to implement Bitcoin-Blockchain based voting with counterparty without greenlighting it first.. They're only supposed to be giving PR to Bitcoin and Sidechains.
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February 26, 2015, 08:49:54 AM
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Gmaxwell and Evan Duffield to unite and create Gingercoin?

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February 26, 2015, 08:52:36 AM
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Gmaxwell and Evan Duffield to unite and create Gingercoin?

that niche is already filled by REDDcoin  Tongue

perhaps they can team up to get GingerSnap InstantFRO X™ technology merged into bitcoin core
admittedly it sounds like a revolutionary home-cut system..
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February 26, 2015, 09:12:38 AM
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Don't know who this ginger dude is but he's mad as hell at the developments


What kind of a Bitcoin Maximalist are you if you don't know who gmaxwell is? Tongue
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February 26, 2015, 09:13:53 AM
Last edit: February 26, 2015, 09:24:32 AM by Come-from-Above
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huge ROFL at dem cryptocurrency bitchez who think they r important

all this is utter garbage bullshite without future

the only real worth is satoshi's blockchain technology & what do the 'bitcoin devs' on top of it do other than thinking they r something special? all the innovation is elsewhere

so funny to see that dev guys drama'ing over their bitcoin baby as if it was important to the world or if they were somehow special... almost like these devs are sacred or gods or something LOL like they invented the blockchain or something LOL

who the fuck cares about this anyway? just a bunch of extremely arrogant developers, a few nerds and businessmen who failed at wallstreet, and some delusional get rich quick kiddos and thats about it, aint it.  in other words totally and utterly irrelevant to just about any1 (only about 1m ppl have even ever used bitcoin, lol!)

holy fuck this is hilarious as hell

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February 26, 2015, 11:08:31 AM
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At least one core-dev is still furious about the swatting, Jeff still claims NXT is a "scamcoin" as is opinion shared by many core-devs towards many other alts, Regardless of what promise and innovation they may bring.


That hissy fit by Jeff was ridiculous and made me lose a lot of respect for him. He's still doing a lot of good work from what I can tell but that twitter tirade was embarrassing for him.
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