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August 08, 2012, 01:03:33 AM
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windows is safe...
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August 08, 2012, 02:17:09 AM
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windows is safe...

just wandering here, I just konw windows a little.
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August 08, 2012, 02:21:11 AM
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I use windows for all my rigs and my home PC... I have used linux a bit, I don't keep many coins on my PC wallet... couple here and there...

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August 08, 2012, 02:25:44 AM
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I use windows for all my rigs and my home PC... I have used linux a bit, I don't keep many coins on my PC wallet... couple here and there...
MY PC is in windows7. and my office PC is linux. 
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August 08, 2012, 03:00:37 AM
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No windows is not for dummies it is for all users (newbies, power users, advance users)
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August 08, 2012, 07:43:35 AM
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No, Windows is not for dummies, but all the dummies are using it.
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August 08, 2012, 10:22:10 AM
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You should realize that whatever is the os you are using its unsafe if you use it for other except your bitcoin wallet.

If you had a big wallet, you shuld use a cheap pc (pandanoards for example) with some *NIX stuff in it and a browser with JavaScript and Java disabled (not talking about flash).

Your hardware should be dedicated, your os too.

BIOS malware is not only on movies.

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August 08, 2012, 10:31:58 AM
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No, Windows is not for dummies, but all the dummies are using it.

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But honestly - nothing is ever safe. You can protect the data making it MUCH harder to obtain.
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August 08, 2012, 10:59:28 AM
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No, Windows is not for dummies, but all the dummies are using it.

+1

But honestly - nothing is ever safe. You can protect the data making it MUCH harder to obtain.



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August 08, 2012, 11:33:11 AM
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Important data stays off line.... <---- why i dummy? Tongue

Sorry, didn't meant to insult anyone.
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August 08, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
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I'd say OS X is for dummies. I work in ICT and constantly have to disinfect peoples Windows computers because they do not know what tools to use or how to use them. People end up locking up there PCs while trying to look for "Free Porn Download" and ignore results like RedTube. Macs do not have this problem generally except for the recent Flashback.

Personally I reckon it is time for Mac to be the target. With the help of the massive flock of iSheep pushing up the number of Macs out there it looks like this may soon come true. iSheep seem to think that Macs are impervious to visuses and till now that has been largely true. There is nothing I love more than telling a Mac user their computer is infected even though they tell me that it is impossible Smiley
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August 08, 2012, 07:43:10 PM
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I'd say OS X is for dummies. I work in ICT and constantly have to disinfect peoples Windows computers because they do not know what tools to use or how to use them. People end up locking up there PCs while trying to look for "Free Porn Download" and ignore results like RedTube. Macs do not have this problem generally except for the recent Flashback.

Personally I reckon it is time for Mac to be the target. With the help of the massive flock of iSheep pushing up the number of Macs out there it looks like this may soon come true. iSheep seem to think that Macs are impervious to visuses and till now that has been largely true. There is nothing I love more than telling a Mac user their computer is infected even though they tell me that it is impossible Smiley

The problem here is not system x y or z, is how we use it for doing what.

That being said, osx is still a lot more safe than windows.

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August 08, 2012, 09:43:23 PM
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Oh ye gods, not this zombie again :/ Don't really want to beat it to death once more but:

Does microsoft have the worlds geeks at its disposal? Do hackers call up and say 'Hi Billyboy, I've tried some wierd shit and it turns out I can readz ur randomizin'?  If not then enumerate that '1000X' bit please.



I'm talking dollar bills and yes, they have many more paid employees reporting problems to them than the Linux community.  As I've already stated, I ditched windows over a decade ago and couldn't be happier.  However, many Linux users have a false sense of security.   Security is a tremendously difficult problem to get right. The open source model is far better, but you underestimate the billions of dollars worth of businesses that rely on windows and have highly skilled people who can debug and report problems.

Anyway, this will all be moot in a couple more decades as microsoft drives themselves into the ground.

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August 08, 2012, 10:32:40 PM
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Important data stays off line.... <---- why i dummy? Tongue

Sorry, didn't meant to insult anyone.


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August 08, 2012, 10:43:26 PM
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My question should really be is a dummie on windows safe with bitcoin?

Even a system pretty that is pretty badly compromised is probably still going to be safe for you to use if you are using a hosted (shared) EWallet service where a one-time password (OTP) like Google Authenticator (on your mobile) is required.

But overall, it is really a matter of giving attention to security relative to the risk.

If you carry $200 in your back pocket in a bar, you probably will be fine with $200 worth of bitcoins on your Bitcoin.org client on a Windows Vista or Win 7 box presuming you run updates, have some decent anti-virus installed, are sane when installing software, and know how to copy your wallet.dat to a thumb drive for backup.

Now if $200 worth is a lot for you, or you want to store $1K or more you might not want to trust that configuration.  An offline system (with an air gap to the network) booted from a LiveOS distribution is among the most secure methods for using bitcoin -- but that security comes with the tradeoff in convenience.

Thanks I think that helped..I am struggling to find the time and peace to research and get my head round things..
I am definitly going to try getting some bitcoin to try out..Thing is in ireland there are very few people selling them.


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August 09, 2012, 02:52:53 AM
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My question should really be is a dummie on windows safe with bitcoin?

Even a system pretty that is pretty badly compromised is probably still going to be safe for you to use if you are using a hosted (shared) EWallet service where a one-time password (OTP) like Google Authenticator (on your mobile) is required.

But overall, it is really a matter of giving attention to security relative to the risk.

If you carry $200 in your back pocket in a bar, you probably will be fine with $200 worth of bitcoins on your Bitcoin.org client on a Windows Vista or Win 7 box presuming you run updates, have some decent anti-virus installed, are sane when installing software, and know how to copy your wallet.dat to a thumb drive for backup.

Now if $200 worth is a lot for you, or you want to store $1K or more you might not want to trust that configuration.  An offline system (with an air gap to the network) booted from a LiveOS distribution is among the most secure methods for using bitcoin -- but that security comes with the tradeoff in convenience.

Thanks I think that helped..I am struggling to find the time and peace to research and get my head round things..
I am definitly going to try getting some bitcoin to try out..Thing is in ireland there are very few people selling them.



Does backing up your wallet.dat onto a USB key do anything if the original wallet.dat on your desktop is compromised?
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August 09, 2012, 06:58:03 AM
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I should add hope i didnt offned windows users..
But I do see there is desperate need for a new o/s for the world free from corporate controll which is why i normally use Linux and is what brought me here.



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August 11, 2012, 10:10:48 AM
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While you are correct that the model is superior, Microsoft has 1000X the resources to throw at the problem.  So yeah, Windows is broken more primarily because it is attacked more despite likely having more (or at least equally) secure code.

I think Windows is broken entirely because Microsoft's customers (the average person) doesn't know or care about security.  So Microsoft has no incentive to expend its 1000x resources on security.

The Linux user is more discerning, and so Linux has to do better.
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August 12, 2012, 01:36:38 AM
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While you are correct that the model is superior, Microsoft has 1000X the resources to throw at the problem.  So yeah, Windows is broken more primarily because it is attacked more despite likely having more (or at least equally) secure code.

I think Windows is broken entirely because Microsoft's customers (the average person) doesn't know or care about security.  So Microsoft has no incentive to expend its 1000x resources on security.

The Linux user is more discerning, and so Linux has to do better.


Microsoft makes most of their money from corporate clients, and these clients do care for security.

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August 12, 2012, 03:32:01 AM
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Does backing up your wallet.dat onto a USB key do anything if the original wallet.dat on your desktop is compromised?

If by compromised you mean stolen then no it wont do you any good from what i understand

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