I'm a Russian Occupant [ENG Subtitles]

[alani123]

Propaganda at it's best. Relevant discussion at /r/europe

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2xcfmh/yes_i_am_a_russian_occupant_antiwest_propaganda/

[BitMos]

Propaganda at it's best. Relevant discussion at /r/europe

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2xcfmh/yes_i_am_a_russian_occupant_antiwest_propaganda/

the hive of the censors, where all discourse is banned, the dream land? if your propaganda is too weak to have to censor those of others it means that you are too deviant from reality. you can't change reality, neither radiation, nor dna contamination... what ever you say. I will not even waste a second on this site, trusting the value reporting of the others users of this forum who illustrated this point about the false scientific take over of the weather science...

however please copy and paste here the comments you find interesting. Reddit is dead for me.

[bitgeek]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?

No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

[tee-rex]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?

No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.

[alani123]

Propaganda at it's best. Relevant discussion at /r/europe

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2xcfmh/yes_i_am_a_russian_occupant_antiwest_propaganda/

the hive of the censors, where all discourse is banned, the dream land? if your propaganda is too weak to have to censor those of others it means that you are too deviant from reality. you can't change reality, neither radiation, nor dna contamination... what ever you say. I will not even waste a second on this site, trusting the value reporting of the others users of this forum who illustrated this point about the false scientific take over of the weather science...

however please copy and paste here the comments you find interesting. Reddit is dead for me.

Parts of Reddit are dead for me as well... But I haven't lost faith completely yet. I'm mad at the moderation of certain subreddits, the admins are pretty cool though. They protect small and controversial communities. I posted this link to show that not everyone gets the message from this video well. /r/europe is far from being dominated by Americans like most of Reddit is. Yet we see most of the Europeans in there agreeing that this video is vicious propaganda.

[BitMos]

Propaganda at it's best. Relevant discussion at /r/europe

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/2xcfmh/yes_i_am_a_russian_occupant_antiwest_propaganda/

the hive of the censors, where all discourse is banned, the dream land? if your propaganda is too weak to have to censor those of others it means that you are too deviant from reality. you can't change reality, neither radiation, nor dna contamination... what ever you say. I will not even waste a second on this site, trusting the value reporting of the others users of this forum who illustrated this point about the false scientific take over of the weather science...

however please copy and paste here the comments you find interesting. Reddit is dead for me.

Parts of Reddit are dead for me as well... But I haven't lost faith completely yet. I'm mad at the moderation of certain subreddits, the admins are pretty cool though. They protect small and controversial communities. I posted this link to show that not everyone gets the message from this video well. /r/europe is far from being dominated by Americans like most of Reddit is. Yet we see most of the Europeans in there agreeing that this video is vicious propaganda.

if a part is flawed you throw it away when this part doesn't compose the all. the seed and the tree. you can cut a branch (if you don't sit on it) but can't cut a seed. Reedit (as censored object) is the seed.

[alani123]

if a part is flawed you throw it away when this part doesn't compose the all. the seed and the tree. you can cut a branch (if you don't sit on it) but can't cut a seed. Reedit (as censored object) is the seed.

I was trying to point out the opposite...

[BitMos]

if a part is flawed you throw it away when this part doesn't compose the all. the seed and the tree. you can cut a branch (if you don't sit on it) but can't cut a seed. Reedit (as censored object) is the seed.

I was trying to point out the opposite...

I know. here is why. you know reddit is toxic (censored), by going there providing your energy, you support and maintain a toxic structure. Do you want to build a toxic structure, furthermore that you don't control? meaning that even if you waste your energy in this toxic structure it can be taken at the whimp of one of the overlord? nooo. would be a bad choice in my opinion. How do you justify the contrary?

[bitgeek]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?

No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.

Don't you worry about my math.
Red Army group, that stationed in Poland for almost 50 years, consisted of 53000 troops and 7500 civilian workers. They had their whole families living here (over 40000).
The withdrawal in the 90s was negotiated and imagine that Russians had their own demands. They wouldn't simply leave, they wanted to leave small bases on Polish soil, most likely to spy, but after all it did not happen.
Russians can call it what they like and use euphemisms, but it was an occupation. Red army guaranteed that the power will stay in the hands of the communist party and the number of protests and strikes proved they needed help. In the years 1945-48 Russians had to face over 1000 anti communist protests in Poland. Nobody here wanted them, yet they stayed for years and years like parasites.

[Nemo1024]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?

No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.

Don't you worry about my math.
Red Army group, that stationed in Poland for almost 50 years, consisted of 53000 troops and 7500 civilian workers. They had their whole families living here (over 40000).
The withdrawal in the 90s was negotiated and imagine that Russians had their own demands. They wouldn't simply leave, they wanted to leave small bases on Polish soil, most likely to spy, but after all it did not happen.
Russians can call it what they like and use euphemisms, but it was an occupation. Red army guaranteed that the power will stay in the hands of the communist party and the number of protests and strikes proved they needed help. In the years 1945-48 Russians had to face over 1000 anti communist protests in Poland. Nobody here wanted them, yet they stayed for years and years like parasites.

For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...

[tee-rex]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Bloc are prospering?

No they aren't. It's not that easy to recover from over 50 years of Russian occupation. For example in my country the government was for many years manipulated by Russian puppets. Moscow's finest, who had prominent positions in the institutions and were put in places after the reds "liberated" us from the Germans. I'd also like to remind you that Russian army left Poland in 1993, so the occupation was very much real.
You should've seen the shit they left behind them. They were like animals compared to the western soldiers.

Over 50 years of Russian occupation? I'm afraid that you may have to attend your mathematics class again, buddy.

Don't you worry about my math.

As long as you keep your figures accurate.

Red Army group, that stationed in Poland for almost 50 years, consisted of 53000 troops and 7500 civilian workers. They had their whole families living here (over 40000).
The withdrawal in the 90s was negotiated and imagine that Russians had their own demands. They wouldn't simply leave, they wanted to leave small bases on Polish soil, most likely to spy, but after all it did not happen.
Russians can call it what they like and use euphemisms, but it was an occupation. Red army guaranteed that the power will stay in the hands of the communist party and the number of protests and strikes proved they needed help. In the years 1945-48 Russians had to face over 1000 anti communist protests in Poland. Nobody here wanted them, yet they stayed for years and years like parasites.

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

[ajareselde]

Hello, guys.

Here is the nice short movie about Russian "occupy". I think that you would be interesting in that and I hope we will start a great discussion and will share our opinions.

Eng subtitles availible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

P.S. I'm not the author of the video, I'm just a guy who is sitting on this forum everyday and now decided to share something with you.

Its funny how video is showing Russia like its something amazing, i dont know what that will accomplish, since the world can draw conclusions by them selves, and this looks like North Korea brainwashing, excluding all bad, and just providing the possitive sides.
Anways, noone cares. In the end its like theyre sending this to Obama, i think this was his reaction :



They hate us coz they aint us ? xaxaxa

[Nemo1024]

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

Looks like it's the recent history rewriting talking again. Western powers bombed cities (Dresten, Rotterdam). Soviet Soldiers liberated cities on the ground, surgically removing nazis and living the buildings as much intact as possible (the reason Krakow, Budapest are as they were before the war). But now it's all turned upside down.

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

I see he also goes with the tune of USSR divided Poland. And again fails to see the bigger picture. Zoom out and look Eastwards. At that moment Soviet Union was at war in the East, fighting Japanese forces in Mongolia. Japan wanted Germany to open a second front, which would have overstretched Soviet military. The German/Soviet non-aggression pact was a brilliant bit of diplomacy, which allowed USSR to complete its defence in the East, before concentrating on the Western threat. Poland was, alas, a playing bit in this pact. Alternative, however, was USSR opening a second front, fighting Germany as well as Japan and losing. In that case Poland would have come under German control for good, and as per Hitler's plans there would be no Poles to speak of. Have you thought about such outcome, bitgeek?

[Prohealer]

I did. There's a museum in my country in which some files that the soviets didn't take with them when they felt that USSR was ending remain. I saw the photocopied files.

Sadly, I have relatives and close friends of those relatives that would say different. Some were more fortunate and were just interrogated and let go, others got to experience the conditions that "wasn't royal". They just used different words to describe that. Regarding the statistics, I base my opinions on what most of the world has agreed upon. Not sure what kind of statistics you base yours.

Wow, that means that I can't change your mind. Because, you know, I've heard a lot of bad things about Stalin's time and even cases when people was arrested or killed because of literally nothing, but I do not trust him cuz I still didn't see any of files and have no friends/relatives who can proove fact about gulags. So, since that I think it's clear that you have a great reason to believe in all that bad things about Stalin and I have a nice reason to disagree with you. Not because you or me are brainwashed, but because we saw a literally diffrenet proofs before. But it was a nice to talk to you.

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.

Yeah, that is what people call propaganda. Nobody going to tell you in UK that they support Hitler at the beginning but they will tell you about Gulag. Why Russians can't do the same? So, you can see our propaganda without pacted with hitler but with a lot of good memories insead of it. Have a nice time watching!

For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...

Nice add! Thanks you!

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

I see what you did here

[bitgeek]

For the hundreds time: not Russian, but Soviet. Not Red Army, but Soviet Army. I feel very much compelled to revive a history sub-topic that I let slip on the Donetsk thread.

Second. Soviet Union pulled its military presence (after rebuilding much of Poland after WWII). USA never did so with West-Germany. In fact as soon USSR moved out of Poland USA moved in. Oh, the irony.

But for a start, for the general historical education, please read the following article:
http://stanislavs.org/the-sorrow-of-a-warsaw-woman-why-poland-is-not-happy-to-be-liberated-from-fascism/

In 1945-1948 Soviet Union was busy rebuilding Poland, sending there engineers, machinery, manpower. Soviet Union itself was still struggling with the aftermath of WWII by the end of 1950s, but all the "brotherly" countries of the Eastern Block were by that time rebuilt and in good shape.
I understand that it's not politically correct to say anything positive about Soviet Union in Poland and that history books are being busily rewritten to suite the demands of the new masters...

...during the Russian Civil War. Beginning in February 1946, the Red Army, along with the Soviet Navy, embodied the main component of the Soviet Armed Forces; taking the official name "The Soviet Army" (Russian: Coвeтcкaя Apмия (CA)/Sovetskaya Armija), until its dissolution in December 1991.
Soviet Army and Red Army all the same, unless I fail to see the difference here.

I read your article, you have an interesting view, but getting back to what you said above...

There were busy with a lot of things at the time, for example building monuments (http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/02/27/soviet-army-monument-banned-from-returning-to-warsaw-street) and renaming streets. They were changing school programs to teach Russian language and their own version of history, in which many Polish war heroes of the interwar period were banned. They were also establishing Security Service formed to resemble NKVD (the agents were even taught by Soviet agents) with the purpose of finding and removing nationalists and anyone opposing the new order.
I could go on and on about the good things the Russians (oh, sorry, Soviets) brought us and all the good memories they left behind when they left in 93.

[Snail2]

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

Well, the soviet army really left a big mess behind. E.g. my country spent a couple of billions of dollars on decontaminating former soviet bases. Mostly fuel and oil contamination in the ground water, but on the abandoned training grounds we found thousands of unexploded ammunition pieces, huge amounts of buried batteries and such stuff. All of the buildings (many of them historical buildings) what they seized were quite a bit run-down after they went home. So yes, they really left some serious crap behind. On the contrary when the americans used one of our airfields during the Iraq war they left everything clean, nice and tidy.

[becoin]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.

Actually this is a myth created by US propaganda. USSR didn't attack Poland because there was no Polish state anymore when they entered this territory. Polish army was defeated by the Germans and government of Poland was already evacuated in London when the Red army entered Poland!

[bitgeek]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany.

Actually this is a myth created by US propaganda. USSR didn't attack Poland because there was no Polish state anymore when they entered this territory. Polish army was defeated by the Germans and government of Poland was already evacuated in London when the Red army entered Poland!

You're wrong. I'll ignore your assumption that a defeated country whose capital is taken over by the enemy ceases to exist and just state the facts.  At the time of the Soviet attack, Polish forces were still fighting and the German army had yet to reach the Eastern part of the country. There were still whole battalions stationed at the Eastern border. Those soldiers were attacked and defeated by the soviets, although they fought until the end. If you want to know the details read about Kock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kock_(1939), where Polish soldiers fought and finally defeated the German XIV Motorised Corps, forcing them to retreat, but had to give up after being surrounded by both Germans and Soviets. This was on the 6th of October, 3 weeks after the Soviet aggression, when according to you there was no longer any Poland.

Also, the Soviets were helping the Nazi since September 1st, by giving them intel and helping their bombers find the targets.
Another thing worth mentioning is the fact that the Soviet forces were two times bigger than those of the Germans. They mobilized 600 thousand troops and 4700 tanks, so it was an all out assault.

My question is not about the Red Army, I'm more interested about that "they were like animals compared to the western soldiers". What western soldiers do you actually refer to here?

And how old are you, by the way?

Well, the soviet army really left a big mess behind. E.g. my country spent a couple of billions of dollars on decontaminating former soviet bases. Mostly fuel and oil contamination in the ground water, but on the abandoned training grounds we found thousands of unexploded ammunition pieces, huge amounts of buried batteries and such stuff. All of the buildings (many of them historical buildings) what they seized were quite a bit run-down after they went home. So yes, they really left some serious crap behind. On the contrary when the americans used one of our airfields during the Iraq war they left everything clean, nice and tidy.

Exactly. There were constant problems with the discipline of Soviet soldiers. They loved to drink, start fights and rape women, although most of these incidents were covered up.

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."

[crypto97]

Nice propaganda. They did not forget to mention that short period in which they were attack by Poland and how they defeated Hitler, but forgot they pacted with hitler to attack Poland and actually started the war fighting alongside Germany. That Stalin was one of the biggest sociopaths and mass murderers the world has seen and that under the rule of their precious communism countries of the Eastern Bloc fell into poverty.

Should we understand this so that nowadays all those former communist countries of the Eastern Block are prospering?

for girls extraction yes. the design depends on the aim. when you know the designers desires, you know his aim, the design he uses. 101. toasted.

No they are not, that is the point of the video which I think you better watch again. The former communist countries were prospering when they were with Russia. Now, however, they are just slaves to Europe and the WEST!

[tee-rex]

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2002/may/01/news.features11
Natalya Gesse, a close friend of the scientist Andrei Sakharov, had observed the Red Army in action in 1945 as a Soviet war correspondent. "The Russian soldiers were raping every German female from eight to eighty," she recounted later. "It was an army of rapists."

I doubt that, at least the degree being claimed. But it doesn't matter really. They had the right, there is nothing to talk about, period. In fact, Germany got off cheaply.