Are you a Communist, Socialist, Capitalist, Marxist?

[cakir]

Lets see your guys sending tanks over the border to help the Kurds, then I won't think you're full of shit, I'm not saying support the PKK but the least you could do is help a people that has been opressed by your ancestors for decades and is now literally fighting for their survival.

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Why should I send terorist kurds any help? Do you know what happens in Turkey? Do you know their armed fight against Turkey? Do you know how many civillians are killed by those "terorsit kurds"?
Turkish republic helps official Northern Iraq Peshmerge whom re kurds, But you hear from your twisted media that "Turkey doesn't help kurds" No that's not right. Turkey doesn't help "terorist kurds" whom are "pkk, pjk, ydgh, kck, hpg". Those terorist organisations are fighting against Turkey. They don't deserve any help from Turkey.

Also before judging Turks your country should accept refugees from Syria,Iraq. So far Turkey has accepted 2 million people as refugee. And I'm feeding them, I'm keeping them warm (Those expenses are paid by my taxes). What did you do?

You're just like a 9 year old kid with a stick and trying to stir an ant nest.

[Lethn]

lol that's funny, you didn't even read my post properly, where did I say help the PKK?

[cakir]

lol that's funny, you didn't even read my post properly, where did I say help the PKK?

Obviously you don't know anything about Turkish borders.
You don't know anything about PKK camps in northern Iraq, you don't know anything about brothers of PKK (yph, hpg) who begs for help from " fascist murica".

You suggest that (I hope you're doing it unwillingly): "Hey Turkey, you should support terorist organisations, whom're fighting against you, against ISIS".

Before talking about those topics, you should learn who are they, what do they do.

[Lethn]

The ceasefire with the PKK didn't magically end itself, I know all about how the Turks targeted their camps with airstrikes, there's a reason not many trust Turkey anymore, I know more than you think, like I said, I'm not saying support organisations that attack your state, but we see so little of you on the ground it makes us wonder who's side you're really on.

[cakir]

Dafuq? Do I have to be a part of an ongoing war? Do I have to support one side? NO!

There are 2 terorist organisations whom are fighting, that's not my concern. I don't give a damn fuck about those 2.

But I do care about "civillians" That's why Turkey accepted 2 millions civillians from Syria and Iraq.

We don't give a fuck what you saw or what's your media showing you. You should understand that;

Turkey is not a side of this war and don't have to help any side of it. But Turkey helps civillians.

[Lethn]

Even as an Anarchist I recognise people like ISIS threaten everybody, religion like theirs dictates they wipe out entire civilisations including any remnants of their culture that come into conflict with the religion they follow, that includes yours.

[cakir]

Turkey has enough power to protect itself from ISIS. Don't worry about us.
If you really care about "entire civilisations including any remnants of their culture" your country should send troops to give Syria and Iraq "democracy".

[Lethn]

Turkey has enough power to protect itself from ISIS. Don't worry about us.
If you really care about "entire civilisations including any remnants of their culture" your country should send troops to give Syria and Iraq "democracy".

Sadly my country is the UK and we have easily the most incompetent politicians in charge imaginable, I would support weapons and funds to the kurds though which we've already done, it was only 40 machine guns though lol.

[Balthazar]

Turkey has enough power to protect itself from ISIS. Don't worry about us.

The world doesn't revolve around the USA or Turkey, so we don't worry. However, we do worry about our own future because your country may become a regional PITA if your authorities won't be able to defend themselves. Giving that you're unable to find a compromise even with your own kurdish problem, I'd say that there is a high some risk of such scenario.

Actually, the "nationalists" are playing the U.S.-style game continuously... Acting exactly like they are, but at the smaller scale. Like Obomber or Kerry, preferring bombs to the treaties while it's possible. Odumba, Poroshenko, Saakashvili, <insert another puppet here> remember about the treaties only when it's the only alternative to capitulation. I happy to see that pseudo nationalist puppets have only a little chance to get the real power.

[cakir]

Turkey has enough power to protect itself from ISIS. Don't worry about us.
If you really care about "entire civilisations including any remnants of their culture" your country should send troops to give Syria and Iraq "democracy".

Sadly my country is the UK and we have easily the most incompetent politicians in charge imaginable, I would support weapons and funds to the kurds though which we've already done, it was only 40 machine guns though lol.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-will-help-iraq-retake-mosul-prime-minister-davutoglu-vows.aspx?pageID=238&nID=79199&NewsCatID=510

Turkey will give military education and fire arms to Turkmens in Mosul to fight ISIS. Don't worry, We don't take Mosul back to ours , We recognize integrity of Iraq.

[Lethn]

Oh good so you're not all bad then, I thought you were one of those psychopaths like your leader.

[herzmeister]

that Turkey discussion is OT now, no? Maybe a mod can move those to a new thread.


Communism, Socialism, Capitalism are so overloaded terms by now, they have lost their meaning.

Any strict ideology has problems and carries within it the seed of its opposite and its own destruction (I used to elaborate about that many times on here).

Free-market libertarianism should better be called proprietarianism as it is about the philosophy of individual property rights. The problem with it is that especially US-Americans are not very well-schooled in European history. America is a very young and big continent, so the "liberty" folks there may not yet recognize the issues with it, that it doesn't scale well over time.

Once a continent is crowded like Europe was already in ancient times, you'll end up with land owners (i.e. aristocracy) and those who have nothing, who don't have anything and can only sell their labor, themselves, effectively slaves. Maybe then you can understand that the original anarchistic movements in Europe did not associate ownership and capitalism with freedom, and it was a movement against strict property rights and capitalism.

The first factory owners weren't heroes like out of Ayn Rand novels either, they came to their assets because they were in bed with aristocrats and politicians.

So what is the best solution? I don't know. Maybe a truly free world that would fit a definition of anarchism that everyone could agree on would have to integrate ideas of both anarcho-communist and market-libertarian thinking. There'd have to be some balance and equality without the latter perceiving it as theft. I guess something like Mondragon's co-operative syndicalism would be a good model for a modern society.

[Lethn]

If the world become how the Anarchists want it, those who would be able to organize would rule and force the rest to obey. It wouldn't take long for the anarchists to start flocking under central authorities that would be able to protect them. Worldwide anarchy is impossible to sustain.

That's not what Anarchism is, way to fear monger, Anarchism is simply society without a hierarchy, without gods or government, it's the exact opposite of using rule and force, if somebody uses force to get what they want in society, then they are not an Anarchist, real Anarchists solve things through debate and voluntary co-operation.

[Lethn]

That's why you don't try and force people to live in a global community and do it through local means and yes, if you're in a truly consensual based society that's how you get shit done, you don't just point a gun at people and force people to do things because you think you know best like in modern democracies.

[cakir]

Oh good so you're not all bad then, I thought you were one of those psychopaths like your leader.

Erdogan?
He's islamist, and I don't like him. He's not even Turkish (He said that his etnicite is Georgian in his Georgia visit, also his wife's etnicite is arab).
Yet, he was elected via "islamist" votes.

[BitMos]

Never let yourself be framed by those people. Learn their theory, the behavior they imply, exploit, profit. rinse and repeat (theory will not change, too many are too invested in it, university tenure, manuals income, respect, fame etc etc).

edit: please note how polite I was.

[redsn0w]

I'm a bitcoiner person , it is a new "experiment" and I'm sure it will above all the other currents like socialism, capitalist, marxist, etc..
Bitcoin is a new possibility for "catch" our economy freedom and why not also social freedom.

[BitMos]

I'm a bitcoiner person , it is a new "experiment" and I'm sure it will above all the other currents like socialism, capitalist, marxist, etc..
Bitcoin is a new possibility for "catch" our economy freedom and why not also social freedom.

one with out the other is impossible, they are cumulative, leads to love, remove, temper, exploit or both and get w.a.r. I hope you are ready to eat r.a.w.

[Snail2]

Oh good so you're not all bad then, I thought you were one of those psychopaths like your leader.

Erdogan?
He's islamist, and I don't like him. He's not even Turkish (He said that his etnicite is Georgian in his Georgia visit, also his wife's etnicite is arab).
Yet, he was elected via "islamist" votes.

You guys might need a new Evren pasa like back in '80...

[Amph]

toward anarchist, but not completely, a good portion of freedom but with the maintain of the equilibrium