Just an offer about rules.

[olcaytu2005]

In the local forums, according to the needs of the local forum or according to the benefit of the majority, rules can be changed, be flexible or added. Why do i want the flexibility of the rules in the local forums?
 For example;
   A person has discovered any kind of service or learned from the global forum (service ann.). He/she started a thread in his/her native language in the local forum since he/she thought that there may be other who dont know english or dont follow the global forum. He/she introduced that service in his/her native language(chinese,korean,turkish,russian etc.) giving the ref link and non ref link in the topic. This user has given a lot of effort during research, following global forum and translation steps. That's why i think that it's ok for that user to give the ref link because he/she is encouraged for more research and it is his/her right to benefit from this process. To me this is not a spam.
   In addition, if another user creates a similar topic(same service) in the local forum and it has not any difference from the first one , then we accept the second topic as a spam. Control of this may be diffucult in the global forum coz of the quantity number of users. But the local forums dont have too much user like a global forum. So it can be undercontrol whenever the same thread is created for the second time or more , local moderator and the other users can easily recognize the situation and does what has to be done.
   As a result, i think that the introduction of a new service (with the ref link and non ref link) shouldnt be considered as a spam in the local forums. On the contrary, He/she deserves sharing his/her ref link because of his/her efforts. That's why i suggest that sharing a ref link in the local forums for the first time can be free. On the other hand, sharing a topic for the second time or more about the same service should be considered as a spam if it s not different from the first one.

 I offer you to create a new rule for this.This offer is mindless? Tell me why? Or support me. Thank you.

[abyrnes81]

You have already opened a thread , this : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976438.0  Why is it necessary another one ? The subject is the same.

[dserrano5]

A person has discovered any kind of service or learned from the global forum (service ann.). He/she started a thread in his/her native language in the local forum

How many languages do you speak?

Trust me on this one: autotranslated posts in the spanish subforum are usually deleted. Other local forum mods may have the same policy.

[olcaytu2005]

A person has discovered any kind of service or learned from the global forum (service ann.). He/she started a thread in his/her native language in the local forum

How many languages do you speak?

Trust me on this one: autotranslated posts in the spanish subforum are usually deleted. Other local forum mods may have the same policy.

Turkish. I dont mean autotranslate. Coz it s not good enough to understand

[EFS]

I've already explained the policy here. I'm not too strict about moderation. If your thread is useful enough, you can use your ref link. If it's about some random ponzi scheme or something like that, your ref link will probably be deleted.

[olcaytu2005]

I've already explained the policy here. I'm not too strict about moderation. If your thread is useful enough, you can use your ref link. If it's about some random ponzi scheme or something like that, your ref link will probably be deleted.

Yes you explained me. But i just want it to be added in rules. And it is aplicable for all local forums.

[emrebey]

I've already explained the policy here. I'm not too strict about moderation. If your thread is useful enough, you can use your ref link. If it's about some random ponzi scheme or something like that, your ref link will probably be deleted.

I can't see any policy here. There was a cointellect thread with a reference link on that local forum.

[olcaytu2005]

Who is in charge of add new rules here

[abyrnes81]

Who is in charge of add new rules here

Ref. link is not allowed, why are you continuing this discussion? If you want to promote a service use your signature and put there the referral link.

[olcaytu2005]

Who is in charge of add new rules here

Ref. link is not allowed, why are you continuing this discussion? If you want to promote a service use your signature and put there the referral link.

I dont think that you read all . Read my op and tell me the foolish thing in it. It s not about the only ref link. I also talked about efforts, translate etc.

[Muhammed Zakir]

You do know his/her efforts of the post(s) is(are) to make others jump into the scam-scheme. So you are weighing the efforts more than the people who waste their money and time?

BTW, OP doesn't have anything more than what you said in other thread. Please stop this. If you really want to help others by announcing a service in local language, you should post without ref. link. Like Eal. told, if the thread is worth enough, then using ref. link maybe okay and it may not get deleted.

I think you probably want to start a thread with some ref. links of ponzi which claim themselves as *cloud mining*.

   -MZ

[olcaytu2005]

You do know his/her efforts of the post(s) is(are) to make others jump into the scam-scheme. So you are weighing the efforts more than the people who waste their money and time?

BTW, OP doesn't have anything more than what you said in other thread. Please stop this. If you really want to help others by announcing a service in local language, you should post without ref. link. Like Eal. told, if the thread is worth enough, then using ref. link maybe okay and it may not get deleted.

I think you probably want to start a thread with some ref. links of ponzi which claim themselves as *cloud mining*.

   -MZ

Firstly it is not about scam, ponzi or cloud mining service. it is about an altcoin. i hate ponzis or scams and i dont want peoples to lost their money. i am also against to gambling. But  bitcointalk.org want people to waste their money. why? coz we have  Investor-based games Section and it is full of scam or ponzi. Why they are free to introduce his/her ponzis service? and why i am not free posting with ref link even if it s not about ponzi?

[SaltySpitoon]

I don't understand how you don't comprehend this. The administration sets the rules, the moderators weigh in on rules and help to enforce them. Community members sometimes propose ideas to alter rules that have grey areas in them. We listen, and make adjustments if needed.

This is not one of those cases, the answer is no, please stop wasting everyone's time and spamming meta. This conversation has carried over three threads now, and for what purpose? You asked for an explanation, it was given over three threads. You ask for a change, we say no and explain. We are really at the point where if you disagree, that too bad and your best bet, as mentioned three threads ago, is to create your own forum where you can create a safe haven for people to flood the site with spam, so those that enjoy sifting through spam to find information they are looking for have a place where they can be happy.

What is your end goal here? To have the administration/staff lift essentially one of the only rules of the forum that has lasted for five years? As I've said repeatedly, this isn't a rule that is up for discussion.

[olcaytu2005]

I don't understand how you don't comprehend this. The administration sets the rules, the moderators weigh in on rules and help to enforce them. Community members sometimes propose ideas to alter rules that have grey areas in them. We listen, and make adjustments if needed.

This is not one of those cases, the answer is no, please stop wasting everyone's time and spamming meta. This conversation has carried over three threads now, and for what purpose? You asked for an explanation, it was given over three threads. You ask for a change, we say no and explain. We are really at the point where if you disagree, that too bad and your best bet, as mentioned three threads ago, is to create your own forum where you can create a safe haven for people to flood the site with spam, so those that enjoy sifting through spam to find information they are looking for have a place where they can be happy.

What is your end goal here? To have the administration/staff lift essentially one of the only rules of the forum that has lasted for five years? As I've said repeatedly, this isn't a rule that is up for discussion.

 Your explanation doesnt enough for me. This topic is not a scam maybe it s about grey area but I dont like grey area. it s either black or white. If it is in the grey area then people(users,moderators,administrators ...) use this area for their benefit.
 Anyway i wont talk about this topic anymore. Coz i dont think any moderator understand what about i am talking.  Administrator very obsessive about scam or ref link. and obsession is not good for health.

 

[Muhammed Zakir]

Firstly it is not about scam, ponzi or cloud mining service. it is about an altcoin.

Ref. links for altcoin? I bet it is either an investing site or a faucet.

i hate ponzis or scams and i dont want peoples to lost their money. i am also against to gambling.

Good to know!

But  bitcointalk.org want people to waste their money. why?

Can you say some  poins  supporting this statement?

coz we have  Investor-based games Section and it is full of scam or ponzi.

Yes, it is! Ponzi is a scam! Can't you read the red warning?

Why they are free to introduce his/her ponzis service?

Everybody is free to introduce their service. Now it is easy to avoid scams as all are in one place. Would it be easy if they create threads on different sections under different names, say "cloud mining"? Everybody know that section is full of spam but still people invest in it and you are blaming Bitcointalk and it's staffs for it?

and why i am not free posting with ref link even if it s not about ponzi?

As mentioned here many times, you are free to create one if it is for first time or if it is worth enough to keep. You aren't allowed if the sservice is already announced/introduced to the community.

You aren't backing up your suggestions, you keep posting same thing again and again but won't tell a valid answer for "why" it is needed!

Please stop this or hear what SaltySpitoon said. Good luck!

   -MZ

[SaltySpitoon]

Your explanation doesnt enough for me. This topic is not a scam maybe it s about grey area but I dont like grey area. it s either black or white. If it is in the grey area then people(users,moderators,administrators ...) use this area for their benefit.
 Anyway i wont talk about this topic anymore. Coz i dont think any moderator understand what about i am talking.  Administrator very obsessive about scam or ref link. and obsession is not good for health.

Well I'm sorry but I dont think we can explain any better. It has nothing to do with scams, it has to do with spam. Spam ruins a forum and drives members away. We are obsessive about removing spam, and by doing so keeping spammers from driving all of our members away, allowing people to have conversations about Bitcoin related topics without having to sift through spam threads/posts and other junk. As I said, this is not a grey area, it is well defined in this situation. What you are asking to do falls solidly under the forum's definition of spam. Its not a definition that has any need for change, so theres really nothing to do about it at this point.

[olcaytu2005]

i like you zakir so i lock the topic. but i dont like SaltySpitoon coz he is dictator

 Sincerely

 Best regards

 Good bye.