The "Vladimir Club"

[piramida]

Plot twist: Most of those addresses are part of one wallet.dat file.

...with private key irreversibly lost a year ago

[1714760690]

1714760690

[1714760690]

1714760690

[str4wm4n]

Plot twist: Most of those addresses are part of one wallet.dat file.

...with private key irreversibly lost a year ago

proof?

[foo]

I know someone with 5 times that amount and he haven't ever posted here.

So, 10,000 coins? Nice! What price did he buy at?

[piramida]

Plot twist: Most of those addresses are part of one wallet.dat file.

...with private key irreversibly lost a year ago

proof?

Now please describe in detail how you envision proof of something being irreversibly lost?

[gweedo]

I know someone with 5 times that amount and he haven't ever posted here.

So, 10,000 coins? Nice! What price did he buy at?

If he has 10,000 invite him to the forums, he could be helping build the community, but something tells me this is kinda like, I know a guy, who knows a guy, who was in prison with a guy, who was married to a guy's sister LMAO

[bitcoinBull]

Plot twist: Most of those addresses are part of one wallet.dat file.

...with private key irreversibly lost a year ago

proof?

protip: only coins in an address which has never spent coins (thereby revealing its public key) can be irreversibly lost. The rest of the coins (those in addresses whose public keys have been revealed) will be trivially claimed by the first Quantum Computers.

Assuming QC "suddenly" appears, and ECDSA is instantaneously crackable using Shor's algorithm, and SHA256/RIPEMD160 become vulnerable to Grover's algorithm:

• Every unspent coin, sent to an address whose pubkey is not yet revealed, is somewhat safe (80 bit security left, instead of 160 bit)
• The block chain is quite safe (128 bit security left, instead of 256 bit)
• Transactions to new quantum-computing-based addresses with corresponding keys, are safe
• ... only unspent coins sent to reused addresses will be trivially claimable by any attacker (a few bits of security left, instead of 128 bit)

[molecular]

protip: only coins in an address which has never spent coins (thereby revealing its public key) can be irreversibly lost. The rest of the coins (those in addresses whose public keys have been revealed) will be trivially claimed by the first Quantum Computers.

Owner of such computer would give a shit about wether the keys are lost or not... he'd just go search for the privkeys of the highest-valued addresses regardless of wether or not someone else already knows that key.

[bitcoinBull]

protip: only coins in an address which has never spent coins (thereby revealing its public key) can be irreversibly lost. The rest of the coins (those in addresses whose public keys have been revealed) will be trivially claimed by the first Quantum Computers.

Owner of such computer would give a shit about wether the keys are lost or not... he'd just go search for the privkeys of the highest-valued addresses regardless of wether or not someone else already knows that key.

Right, the highest-valued addresses which have already spent coins (revealed their pubkeys).

[piramida]

Nah, by the time quantum computers of needed complexity appear on the horizon encryption would be adjusted and coins in circulation would be easily protected. However, i don't know what happens to old (lost) coins? If they would still be retrievable, just imagine what a nice ever-growing bounty bitcoin would become, for the good of all mankind!

[molecular]

How many do you think are eligible for the club today? I would think it is far less than 5000 individuals, maybe closer to 500..

surely can't be more than 10000.

Another guesstimation I just did puts the upper bound at ~611 members conservatively: satoshi: 1 million, 2 guys 500k, 4 guys: 250k, 8 guys: 125k and so on.



I'm guessing it's around 300 people in that club max. Tendency: decreasing.

[Bit_Happy]

1% of 1%
What is this the NewBit World Order?

...or do they get 80%+ for 1% of the people?   

[molecular]

How many do you think are eligible for the club today? I would think it is far less than 5000 individuals, maybe closer to 500..

At least 410 ...

The list is computed with this tool : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=88584.0;all

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That's not true. Multiple addresses can have a single owner.

[Pteppic]

How many do you think are eligible for the club today? I would think it is far less than 5000 individuals, maybe closer to 500..

surely can't be more than 10000.

Another guesstimation I just did puts the upper bound at ~611 members conservatively: satoshi: 1 million, 2 guys 500k, 4 guys: 250k, 8 guys: 125k and so on.

I'm guessing it's around 300 people in that club max. Tendency: decreasing.

I find myself secretly hoping that the Bitcoin wealth is very concentrated so that there are not many people with more coins than me

[rpietila]

How many do you think are eligible for the club today? I would think it is far less than 5000 individuals, maybe closer to 500..

surely can't be more than 10000.

Another guesstimation I just did puts the upper bound at ~611 members conservatively: satoshi: 1 million, 2 guys 500k, 4 guys: 250k, 8 guys: 125k and so on.

I'm guessing it's around 300 people in that club max. Tendency: decreasing.

I find myself secretly hoping that the Bitcoin wealth is very concentrated so that there are not many people with more coins than me

Strange thought. So what if there is only 1000, 500 or 100 richer than you - - What kind of thoughts does this bring into you?

[Pteppic]

I find myself secretly hoping that the Bitcoin wealth is very concentrated so that there are not many people with more coins than me

Strange thought. So what if there is only 1000, 500 or 100 richer than you - - What kind of thoughts does this bring into you?

Hey, I know its irrational. Generally speaking, people prefer being relatively wealthy compared to absolutely wealthy. There's a psychology experiment that shows that people would rather be in the position of earning $50k when those around them earn $30k compared to earning $60k when those around them earn $80k.

The more the wealth is concentrated, the more people I am relatively wealthier than. It's not a pleasant thought, it's not a worthy thought, but it is sometimes there, all the same.

Edit: And I'm not the only one who has had unworthy thoughts about his position on a rich list 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/mar/05/prince-alwaleed-bin-talal-forbes-rich-list

[01BTC10]

How many do you think are eligible for the club today? I would think it is far less than 5000 individuals, maybe closer to 500..

surely can't be more than 10000.

Another guesstimation I just did puts the upper bound at ~611 members conservatively: satoshi: 1 million, 2 guys 500k, 4 guys: 250k, 8 guys: 125k and so on.

I'm guessing it's around 300 people in that club max. Tendency: decreasing.

I find myself secretly hoping that the Bitcoin wealth is very concentrated so that there are not many people with more coins than me

Strange thought. So what if there is only 1000, 500 or 100 richer than you - - What kind of thoughts does this bring into you?

Very sad. First is the way to go. 

[b!z]

Plot twist: Most of those addresses are part of one wallet.dat file.

...with private key irreversibly lost a year ago

proof?

protip: only coins in an address which has never spent coins (thereby revealing its public key) can be irreversibly lost. The rest of the coins (those in addresses whose public keys have been revealed) will be trivially claimed by the first Quantum Computers.

Assuming QC "suddenly" appears, and ECDSA is instantaneously crackable using Shor's algorithm, and SHA256/RIPEMD160 become vulnerable to Grover's algorithm:

• Every unspent coin, sent to an address whose pubkey is not yet revealed, is somewhat safe (80 bit security left, instead of 160 bit)
• The block chain is quite safe (128 bit security left, instead of 256 bit)
• Transactions to new quantum-computing-based addresses with corresponding keys, are safe
• ... only unspent coins sent to reused addresses will be trivially claimable by any attacker (a few bits of security left, instead of 128 bit)

protip: private keys can be bruteforced if you're the luckiest man on earth

[vokain]

Strange thought. So what if there is only 1000, 500 or 100 richer than you - - What kind of thoughts does this bring into you?

Very sad. First is the way to go. 

hahaha I like that!

[Piper67]

Strange thought. So what if there is only 1000, 500 or 100 richer than you - - What kind of thoughts does this bring into you?

Very sad. First is the way to go. 

hahaha I like that!

He who dies with the most bitcoins wins!

[Hawker]

I was at 2200 or so but sold 350 at $119.99.  Damn bulls have trampled all over my short selling dream!