What's more lucrative - mining or high rank signature campaign?

[Possum577]

P.S. CIYAM, if you're out there, i'm starting to see the frustration you see in people posting bullshit posts just to get paid...

That's pretty ironic. I don't see what 'bullshit' responses you've gotten here so far but you keep seeming to make bullshit topics/posts just to get paid. I'd suggest not asking stupid questions especially if you don't like getting appropriate responses to them.

So you're saying my question was stupid/vague/bullshit so I should expect answers of the same caliber?

Apologies to everyone if I came off as an ass. I'll try to improve my attitude.

[hilariousandco]

P.S. CIYAM, if you're out there, i'm starting to see the frustration you see in people posting bullshit posts just to get paid...

That's pretty ironic. I don't see what 'bullshit' responses you've gotten here so far but you keep seeming to make bullshit topics/posts just to get paid. I'd suggest not asking stupid questions especially if you don't like getting appropriate responses to them.

So you're saying my question was stupid/vague/bullshit so I should expect answers of the same caliber?

Apologies to everyone if I came off as an ass. I'll try to improve my attitude.

I'm saying the responses to it weren't bullshit. You got completely valid and fairly constructive responses to your question but for some reason you decided they were 'bullshit'. I'm more inclined to believe this thread/question is bullshit and was created for the same reasons you falsely decry of others. I honestly don't know what responses you expected here especially given the lack of specific info which would be needed to give you a detailed/satisfactory answer.

[philipma1957]

So, this isn't a self serving question, just curiosity.

What's going to get you to 25 BTC faster, mining or dedication to a signature campaign with a high rank (Sr Member or Hero)?

Maybe the better question is how long does it take for a miner to get their first block reward (of 25 BTC)? I can figure out the breakeven on the sig campaigns.

Based on your timing guess, how much equipment investment is required?

I have earned about 4 coins in a year with signature campaign. I post like mad I did this before I ever signed up for a campaign .

I do not think 4 coins a year is easy but 3 via signature can be done.

As for mining.  Much harder to figure. But lets say you grabbed the sp-tech 15 miner farm for 5500usd.

 Lets say you run 10 at 1200gh and sold 5 for 450 usd each.

All of the above is possible but not likely.  this would mean the 10 you mine with cost you  3250 usd .  toss in 5 good psu's and you are 4000 out of pocket.

 you started jan 1 .  so you mined for  72 days so far.

your power = 10 x 600 x 24 a day that is 144 kwatts or 14.40 a day at 10 cents make it 15 bucks a day in 71 days you spent  1065 + 4000 = 5065

what did you earn? hash rate was about 44.4 for those 71 days and 12th earns .1358 btc x 71 = 9.6418 btc x 293 usd = 2825 usd against 5065 spent  so you are losing  2240 usd. next 71 days you spend the same 1065 on power   you are 3305 in the hole

lets say diff is slow grow and you get 9 coins lets say that coins go to 300 that us 2700.  so 142 days into this year you are 3305-2700 or 605 in the hole.

71 more days 1065 for power  so 605 + 1065 = 1670 in the hole earn 8 coins slow diff grow coins go up a little bit to 325  8 x 325 = 2600

so 2600 - 1670 =  930 ahead 213 days into 2015   which at 325 a coin = 2.861 coins at july 31st 2015.

all gear paid off 10 machines on hand

[Amph]

with the right signature campaign, you can get much more than mining at the moment

with a senior in rank(you don't need hero, since they share the same rate) you can earn 1-2 bitcoin a month easily, maybe even more, so a block in less than a year

with mining unless you run a big farm and very cheap electricity and you also made roi or at least 1/2 of roi, you can't match that

[philipma1957]

with the right signature campaign, you can get much more than mining at the moment

with a senior in rank(you don't need hero, since they share the same rate) you can earn 1-2 bitcoin a month easily, maybe even more, so a block in less than a year

with mining unless you run a big farm and very cheap electricity and you also made roi or at least 1/2 of roi, you can't match that

there are not many signature campaigns at the 2 btc a month mark that can be signed up for as of today.  Used to be

[notlist3d]

with the right signature campaign, you can get much more than mining at the moment

with a senior in rank(you don't need hero, since they share the same rate) you can earn 1-2 bitcoin a month easily, maybe even more, so a block in less than a year

with mining unless you run a big farm and very cheap electricity and you also made roi or at least 1/2 of roi, you can't match that

there are not many signature campaigns at the 2 btc a month mark that can be signed up for as of today.  Used to be

I would agree 2 BTC a month would be a ton at this point per month.  I'm sure there are a select number getting it or higher but very very few.

Most have a limit much lower on pay.

[galdur]

This one pays .035/week. It´s chicken feed but I´ll take it. Maybe there´ll be more lucrative alternatives later.

Good luck, g

[Snipe85]

I would agree 2 BTC a month would be a ton at this point per month.  I'm sure there are a select number getting it or higher but very very few.

Most have a limit much lower on pay.

I really doubt anybody is making 2BTC a month from a sig campaign. Maybe if you're posting in it and running it at the same time, or if you have 10 alts and are squeezing posts 24/7, but some people tried that and got bans on all their accounts. I read about a guy who was making like over over 100 posts a month for PD but got banned after a month or two.

At the moment if you're making over 1BTC a month you're probably spamming the shit out of this forum 

[EternalWingsofGod]

with the right signature campaign, you can get much more than mining at the moment

with a senior in rank(you don't need hero, since they share the same rate) you can earn 1-2 bitcoin a month easily, maybe even more, so a block in less than a year

with mining unless you run a big farm and very cheap electricity and you also made roi or at least 1/2 of roi, you can't match that

there are not many signature campaigns at the 2 btc a month mark that can be signed up for as of today.  Used to be

Well even back when Primedice was around H@C didn't get to that level and he was and still is one busy posting machine
And also one flag it and tag it moderation device  

To tease him a bit H@C is a Staff Member earning 0.0013 a month from his PrimeDice Signature to earn 25 BTC he must post
25/0.0013 = 19,230 Posts
Assuming that he started when he was a new member to the forum and has been with Stunna ever since he's about half way to his goal including the lower rate he earned when he was still a member rank and before his November 2014 promotion to staff in other words keep chugging along H@C keep riding the Choo Choo train to Freedom XD

Now if he converted to the darkside and joined Bit-X on the other hand it would be 0.0014 so pop quiz how many posts less would it be to hit the 25 BTC goal from 0 kidding just teasing ya.

To sum it up with mining its near negative ROI factoring electricity unit cost and difficulty
With a signature the return is a pure return no other costs besides time to post included.

(Edit)
Well forgot to add moderation income from Theymos 5 BTC to go nice you should go buy some shiny things ^^
https://blockchain.info/address/1BxtA9j2qD9KZKnrihiuB7YmZT8rr6Rimh

[Amph]

well maybe 2 is too far stretched, but 1 btc is possible for sure, (i'm making more with bit-x right now), and with primedice also, i was making 1+ btc in some months

with mining you will barely roi..

[philipma1957]

well maybe 2 is too far stretched, but 1 btc is possible for sure, (i'm making more with bit-x right now), and with primedice also, i was making 1+ btc in some months

with mining you will barely roi..

I do both.  I get a fews coins a year  posting and a few coins a year mining.

Game is very hard right now.

[tins]

well maybe 2 is too far stretched, but 1 btc is possible for sure, (i'm making more with bit-x right now), and with primedice also, i was making 1+ btc in some months

with mining you will barely roi..

I do both.  I get a fews coins a year  posting and a few coins a year mining.

Game is very hard right now.

I've tried the mining route and lost thousands. The sig. campaign route creates a little folding money to keep. (Except when there's a UFC PPV, I tend to lose a bit to the books.)

[goosoodude]

1) Mining, or
2) Sig Campaign

My answer: Neither

I used to mine, and currently participating in a signature campaign. Granted my mining was hobby mining the signature campaign I am in is not the highest paying ones, but in neither I can realistically see anyone unless its a big farm or multiple accounts getting to 25BTC.

If you have rephrased the question to 1BTC or even 2.5BTC then you would get some answer. In that case mine is signature campaign.

[notlist3d]

well maybe 2 is too far stretched, but 1 btc is possible for sure, (i'm making more with bit-x right now), and with primedice also, i was making 1+ btc in some months

with mining you will barely roi..

I do both.  I get a fews coins a year  posting and a few coins a year mining.

Game is very hard right now.

I've tried the mining route and lost thousands. The sig. campaign route creates a little folding money to keep. (Except when there's a UFC PPV, I tend to lose a bit to the books.)

Were you mining at home?   Mind if i ask how the loss of thousands?

[tins]

well maybe 2 is too far stretched, but 1 btc is possible for sure, (i'm making more with bit-x right now), and with primedice also, i was making 1+ btc in some months

with mining you will barely roi..

I do both.  I get a fews coins a year  posting and a few coins a year mining.

Game is very hard right now.

I've tried the mining route and lost thousands. The sig. campaign route creates a little folding money to keep. (Except when there's a UFC PPV, I tend to lose a bit to the books.)

Were you mining at home?   Mind if i ask how the loss of thousands?

Yes, and yes.
When LTC started skyrocketing to $40, I paid a gentleman to custom make 2 mining rigs for me. I (stupidly) was basing my break even and profits on rising projections....obviously, LTC had peaked and my hashing power wasn't anything special as the new asic scrypt miners were being introduced. So, accepted my losses, sold off equipment and moved on.

[aurel57]

So, this isn't a self serving question, just curiosity.

What's going to get you to 25 BTC faster, mining or dedication to a signature campaign with a high rank (Sr Member or Hero)?

Maybe the better question is how long does it take for a miner to get their first block reward (of 25 BTC)? I can figure out the breakeven on the sig campaigns.

Based on your timing guess, how much equipment investment is required?

The answer to your question above in bold is mining.

[notlist3d]

So, this isn't a self serving question, just curiosity.

What's going to get you to 25 BTC faster, mining or dedication to a signature campaign with a high rank (Sr Member or Hero)?

Maybe the better question is how long does it take for a miner to get their first block reward (of 25 BTC)? I can figure out the breakeven on the sig campaigns.

Based on your timing guess, how much equipment investment is required?

The answer to your question above in bold is mining.

25 BTC is a lot for either.  It depends on how much mining equipment has and how much it makes in profit.

I would say do both personally.  Yes hero normally gets paid more then Sr.  But it is in your best interest to do both.

[goosoodude]

25 BTC is a lot for either.  It depends on how much mining equipment has and how much it makes in profit.

I would say do both personally.  Yes hero normally gets paid more then Sr.  But it is in your best interest to do both.

Why though? Signature campaign is free money as it pays out for posting which one wouldve done anyway. Mining on the other hand costs a lot and is not sure to give profits. Any extra money would be better used to buy Bitcoin directly.

[notlist3d]

25 BTC is a lot for either.  It depends on how much mining equipment has and how much it makes in profit.

I would say do both personally.  Yes hero normally gets paid more then Sr.  But it is in your best interest to do both.

Why though? Signature campaign is free money as it pays out for posting which one wouldve done anyway. Mining on the other hand costs a lot and is not sure to give profits. Any extra money would be better used to buy Bitcoin directly.

It depends on person.  I still am making some of mining.  I realize it's harder now then when I started but with low electricity it still can be done.

It would depend on costs of a person can do both.  If lucky you can do both.  I do agree for some buying direct is best option.  And I admit I enjoy mining so if I make a little I'm happy.  It is a fun hobby for me.

With mining you have to watch it closely. For example during winter I can expand, and in summer i sell off some.  I cannot do the 12000 watt + I did in winter for summer mining.

[Quickseller]

My answer that signature deals would probably be more profitable then running miners. If you take the S5 for example, it will cost you roughly 1.2btc based on what bitmain is charging right now (it will actually be a little bit more with shipping and taxes but we can stick with 1.2). In the roughly two months that I was mining with my two S5's (plus the S3 that I still have but we can add that to the calculation) I made roughly 1 BTC in mining revenue, note this is revenue and does not factor in the cost of electricity. It might have been a little bit higher but not very much so. So this means that two S5's would make roughly .5 Btc per month before electricity or roughly .25 btc per month per S5. Now you need to remember that the value of the S5 is going to decline over time as more efficient miners come to market and as the difficulty increases.

Consider the da dice signature campaign on the other hand. If you were to buy a senior account for .3 (there are few sellers that will sell for this little however if you lurk in the digital goods section long enough you will probably be able to find sellers who will sell at this price) then you could buy four low level senior accounts for the same 1.2 btc that you spent on the S5. With the da dice campaign paying .0013 per post up to 100 posts per week, you could make .13 per week per account, or ~.52 per month per senior account. Multiply that times four accounts and you could make roughly 2 btc per month for ~1600 posts. Not only that but you could earn an additional .6 btc per month by winning the most constructive posts contest of .15 per week so your total earnings potential would be 2.68 btc per month from a 1.2 btc investment. Not only that but the value of your accounts should increase over time as they accumulate activity points and potentially rank up to hero status. Your risk however is that making that many posts may result in the temptation to make a lot of shitty posts which would result in your accounts getting banned which would stop your signature campaign revenue. This also obviously does not take into account the value of your time that you spend posting, however if you are interested in bitcoin this might not matter.

Tl;dr signature campaigns.