Freenode / #Bitcoin-Dev Chat Logs

[mizerydearia]

cdecker's logs: http://veritas.maximilianeum.ch/bitcoin/irc/logs/

cdecker (and also myself) would like to offer web-based linking and displaying of chat discussions and one liners from the Bitcoin IRC channel.

I have chat history as far back as about mid-July but there are some gaps (from disconnections/etc) that I'd like for others to help combine to create a most complete data set for preparing the history.  Any help is appreciated.

I will update this post with more informations momentarily.

If anyone can publish or link to chat logs that they have, I can help to prepare them into a master log data set for use in this project.

[Cdecker]

While I'm not really concerned about the privacy of such a log site, since it's an open for everyone chat, I do understand people that are questioning whether it should be done. So before collecting the logs from previous months we should clarify whether the users want the archive and if we should extend it backwards in time (collecting logs).

For me personally I'd like to start from lets say the 01st September since then we'd all have a say in the issue, and we'd just forget about the logs that were created before this agreement

So please just tell us how you feel about the archive 

[jgarzik]

I would rather it not be archived.

[aceat64]

I have no issues with public logging.

[Dybbuk]

I'd rather it not be publicly archived, but if it does happen, there needs to be a clear disclaimer so that anybody joining the channel knows that they should expect no privacy for the conversation there.

[Cdecker]

There would of course be the way to simply redact all lines that contain the usernames that chose not to participate. There would be a limit above which the logs become completely useless but if there are a few people who decide they can't be hold to what they say in a public chat it could be a simple solution.

[Cdecker]

So far we have 3 pro and 2 con, not really decisive. I'll add an onjoin notice to the bot pointing to this thread and should it go through I'll replace it with a notification and the URL of the archive, so that everybody is warned 

[theymos]

The archive should be excluded from search engines.

[Cdecker]

The archive should be excluded from search engines.

robots exclusion: noted

[Keefe]

I do not object to logging of #bitcoin-dev. In fact, sometimes I wish a real-time log was available when I get disconnected during a conversation. And sometimes it's nice to go back and read a prior conversation.

But I understand that some are uncomfortable with a log being kept, despite it being a public channel that anyone can secretly log anytime. So redacting those member's lines is a good compromise, as long as it's made obvious each line that was redacted. Don't show who's line it was; just indicate that someone unknown said something unknown, so there won't appear to be confusing one-sided conversations.

[mizerydearia]

I do not object to logging of #bitcoin-dev. In fact, sometimes I wish a real-time log was available when I get disconnected during a conversation. And sometimes it's nice to go back and read a prior conversation.

But I understand that some are uncomfortable with a log being kept, despite it being a public channel that anyone can secretly log anytime. So redacting those member's lines is a good compromise, as long as it's made obvious each line that was redacted. Don't show who's line it was; just indicate that someone unknown said something unknown, so there won't appear to be confusing one-sided conversations.

It is fairly simple to have raw uncut logs and to present them with a script that handles censoring nicknames as desired.  However, additionally, anyone else can anonymously host uncensored logs using tor and never reveal their identity.  However, for a community-based effort as a kind of service simply to prepare previous discussions to be available, it should be fairly acceptable to censor a nickname, or possibly even to by default randomize all nicknames for the sake of anonymity for everyone.

[sgtstein]

I'm all for it. As previously posted, I simply don't want it to be indexed by any search engines.

[chaord]

I'm entirely indifferent.  I don't talk much in the dev chat anyway.  Archive away!

[redengin]

Its irc!!!  -- loggers and idlers have set up camp here for over 20 years.  no one should have any expectation of privacy on irc.  Its disconcerting that people are now beginning to believe the internet is somehow safe now.  While I'm certainly all for the loggers removing personally identifiable information (phone numbers, email addresses, etc.) from the logs, no one should assume they are protected.

[nanotube]

I have no problem with logging.

[Tritonio]

Definitely useful. An archive would be amazing. Do it! 

[nanotube]

But I understand that some are uncomfortable with a log being kept, despite it being a public channel that anyone can secretly log anytime. So redacting those member's lines is a good compromise, as long as it's made obvious each line that was redacted. Don't show who's line it was; just indicate that someone unknown said something unknown, so there won't appear to be confusing one-sided conversations.

there are some difficulties with that, though. people will address the 'unknown people' in their messages... they'll make references to what they say in such a way as to enable a determined observer to put together a picture of who the unknown person is and the gist of what they're saying. as a result, it seems to me that trying to redact the logs will be a futile exercise, and only give the redactees a false feeling of 'ooh my messages are not getting logged so nobody knows i was there and what i was saying'.

so at the end of the day, the chanops will make a decision one way or the other, which would be either (a) have no logging, and if you don't like it, tough, or (b) have public logging with notice in topic, and if you don't like it, tough.

[mizerydearia]

or (c) public anonymous logging with Tor and nothing can stop it, so tough ^_^

Of course, if anyone does establish such a service on Tor I will probably be first to blame.  I don't mind.

[Cdecker]

So far we have the following standing:

• For logging: 8
• Abstained: 2
• Against logging: 2

Strangely most of the people that agree on logging are from coming from IRC. In some cases I was unclear on whether you're for or against logging so there might be an error on my side in a few cases, so please correct me :-)

As for the censoring, I'll do my best to come up with regular expressions to wipe personal data from the logs (telephone numbers, usernames that requested it, ...), but I can't guarantee that it'll work perfectly

[Dybbuk]

As for the censoring, I'll do my best to come up with regular expressions to wipe personal data from the logs (telephone numbers, usernames that requested it, ...), but I can't guarantee that it'll work perfectly

Feel free to replace all of those with my Bitcoin address and encourage people to send me things.