Freenode / #Bitcoin-Dev Chat Logs

[LZ]

When you talk with a friend in the street, people around could be listening to your conversation.  So it's a public place.

I think, that the public IRC channel and the real street are quite different things.
Even in the SL world streets look more like real, there is communication distance.
On IRC you always know a number of persons who can see your public messages.
People should behave accordingly and responsibly!.. Or just use private messages.

And yet, would you agree if governments woud decide to put mics everywhere in the street, so that all "public" conversations would be recorded and archived ??

I can not be sure that this is not happening now.

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[grondilu]

When you talk with a friend in the street, people around could be listening to your conversation.  So it's a public place.

I think, that the public IRC channel and the real street are quite different things.
Even in the SL world streets look more like real, there is communication distance.
On IRC you always know a number of persons who can see your public messages.
People should behave accordingly and responsibly!.. Or just use private messages.

It's not a matter of good behavior, it's a matter of having a place where you can talk without thinking all the time of what would happen if my boss reads what I am writting.   There are a lot of people that I don't want them to know what I like, what I do on casual time, what are my political beliefs, and so on.  I'm not exhibitionnist and therefore I don't want everyone to know everything about me, or even about my pseudonym : I'd like my pseudo to carry some reputation on cyberspace so even for my electronic identity, I want it to have some place where it can be used relatively anonymously.

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[LZ]

So you can use I2P IRC or something similar. May be I should not save this page because it is public place?

[grondilu]

So you can use I2P IRC or something similar. May be I should not save this page because it is public place?

Well I'd be sorry to have to resort to that.  IRC was a nice place where people could chat without Google recording everything.  Now people want to log every single chat room...  pff.

[LZ]

I understand your feelings, but it's already happening. We should adapt and live with it.

[mizerydearia]

grondilu, imagine that the IRC channel is being monitored by your government or whomever else that you are afraid of finding certain informations that may have found similar information from public logs.  In that case, you may want to consider what type of information you publish to the Internet.

Well I'd be sorry to have to resort to that.  IRC was a nice place where people could chat without Google recording everything.  Now people want to log every single chat room...  pff.

Not "every single chat room," just the public Bitcoin one.

[Cdecker]

Well it's after all a dev channel, so probably we should create a public discussion channel that would not be logged. As a developer myself I find it quite usefull to refer to earlier technical discussions, so a single link can replace having the discussion all over again :-)

Anybody against the channel split?

[grondilu]

I'm fine with a split of the channel.

The topic for #bitcoin-dev might be something like :

"This is the *logged* channel about bitcoin developpement.  For relaxed non-logged chat about bitcoin, join #bicoin-..."

[mizerydearia]

#bitcoin-support ?

Perhaps it may be useful to have a separate channel in which newbies can join to ask faq and to not interrupt or interfere with discussions/conversations of established users.

[Cdecker]

Ok, I'll be releasing the logs starting from October 1st, I have them from 1st September but since it was undecided then I'll leave them out as a grace period

So here you go: http://veritas.maximilianeum.ch/bitcoin/irc/logs/

Comments and requests are always welcome

[kermit]

Cdecker, that was great when you said and did "I will of course remove all mappings from pseudonym to IP address (IRC Join, Part, Whois, ...) but I guess keeping the nicknames in place would be acceptable for everybody"   but now they're back in the link you just posted, did you change your mind or was that an oversight?

[Cdecker]

Oops, I'm incredibly sorry, I will ofcourse remove the ips. I've forgotten about them, but since the logs are not indexed by the search engines it shouldn't have too many repercussion.

[Cdecker]

Cdecker, that was great when you said and did "I will of course remove all mappings from pseudonym to IP address (IRC Join, Part, Whois, ...) but I guess keeping the nicknames in place would be acceptable for everybody"   but now they're back in the link you just posted, did you change your mind or was that an oversight?

Ok, I created a regular expression to replace IPs so they should not appear anymore. If the replacement does not work, please tell me and I'll fix it as fast as possible

[FreeMoney]

I agree to be archived. And I think that everyone should be archived. It is public place!

And yet, would you agree if governments woud decide to put mics everywhere in the street, so that all "public" conversations would be recorded and archived ??

This is not a valid comparison at all. No one is talking about stealing milions/billions of dollars to spy on the same people you stole from and using the data to selectively attack, imprison, rape, and even kill people.

The comparison would be: A person records audio on the street with their own resources and puts it on the web for others to hear. And no, I have no problem whatsoever with this.

[grondilu]

The comparison would be: A person records audio on the street with their own resources and puts it on the web for others to hear. And no, I have no problem whatsoever with this.

Well, I have.

Although it may be legal, I think it would be gross/rude.  Actually I saw once a reportage about a photographer would took picture of people in the subway.  He had to make sure people don't find out he was photographing.  I wouldn't feel comfortable doing this, personnaly.

Maybe it's legal, maybe it's not, I don't know.  Google had some trouble in EU with its Google cars, so there is definitely an issue with capturing "public" data.

There are things beyond law :  habits, politeness, and well-behavior.  Capturing data in the street, images or sound, is very much controversal, in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

The comparison would be: A person records audio on the street with their own resources and puts it on the web for others to hear. And no, I have no problem whatsoever with this.

Well, I have.

Although it may be legal, I think it would be gross/rude.  Actually I saw once a reportage about a photographer would took picture of people in the subway.  He had to make sure people don't find out he was photographing.  I wouldn't feel comfortable doing this, personnaly.

Maybe it's legal, maybe it's not, I don't know.  Google had some trouble in EU with its Google cars, so there is definitely an issue with capturing "public" data.

There are things beyond law :  habits, politeness, and well-behavior.  Capturing data in the street, images or sound, is very much controversal, in my opinion.

I have no problem with beauracrats being filmed while on the job. The fact they are starting to crack down on people for filming those who are supposed to be "servants" is proof that it is a good thing. Go to youtube and search for "police brutality" to see why more cameras in public is a valuable tool. Live streaming to the internet is the best protection you have against corrupt public officials.