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March 12, 2015, 07:50:07 AM
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i mean there iss  ethereum (and nxt etc).  can NEM still be relevant?

im looking up to developers like bloodyrookie  who obviously actually have skills and don't really care about all the drama surrounding all the crypto coins.

how does community view this thing ?
can this thing keep up with Ethereum ?
will it have its need in the world ?

what say u? Wink


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March 12, 2015, 07:55:44 AM
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NEM is a communist joke.

This is the story behind NEM:

NXT was started first and had a fair distribution period.  Everyone had ~2 months to send some BTC to an address and the most anyone could send was 1 BTC.  It was capped at 21 bitcoins, symbolic of the max bitcoin limit of 21 million.  There were only 73 people who sent money.

NEM was started after NXT was launched and successful.  UtopianFuture (aka TaunSew) started NEM because he was jealous at NXT's success.  He unsuccessfully attempted to copy NXT's ideology to promote NEM and claimed NEM was an "egalitarian" cryptocurrency.  Originally (before UtopianFuture changed the OP), NEM was advertised as a free coin.  No one had to pay anything to get a stake.  After a while (around a couple weeks), UtopianFuture decided to start charging for stakes.  The longer you waited the more expensive a stake cost.  During this time as was revealed later, UtopianFuture created a ton of sockpuppet accounts on Bitcointalk so he could claim multiple free stakes.  THE RULE IN NEM ACCORDING TO HIM INITIALLY WAS ONE STAKE PER PERSON!  UtopianFuture was blatantly lying to people and stealing multiple stakes for himself.  Other honest individuals followed the rules and only claimed ONE STAKE because they have morals and aren't lying thieves.  Only after UtopianFuture claimed his multitude of stakes did he start charging others for stakes.  Supposedly that money went towards development.  Personally, I'm highly suspicious of this because UtopianFuture has a track record of lying.  Once it came to light that UtopianFuture claimed multiple stakes for himself, supposedly there were several "sockpuppet searches" to find duplicate stakes.  Of course, anyone can fool these by using tor or vpns to change their IP.  Supposedly, these were done in secret so no cheaters would know how to counteract the search mechanism.  Like I really believe UtopianFuture wasn't aware of what they were doing.  After all this came out, UtopianFuture supposedly "resigned", but I'm sure he is still active under multiple sock accounts.  So basically, UtopianFuture claimed tons of free stakes, charged everyone else for development (he got his development free) and when he was discovered "resigned" and got to sit back on his ass while everyone else did the work.  Nothing like lying and tricking people to make money all while pretending to be the savior of the cryptoworld.  Also, when others called him out on his actions, he tried to take away their stakes.  This is why NEM is a joke and UtopianFuture is a liar and a fraud.

NEM's whole "equal distribution" scheme is a joke.  Nothing in nature is equal.  Things can be "fair", but NEM wasn't started as "fair" because UtopianFuture is a liar, a cheat and a thief.  He also made sure NEM isn't equal either.

NXT may not be "equal", but at least it was "fair".

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March 12, 2015, 07:59:02 AM
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UtopianFuture is probably still another guy thats active in the project, just nobody exposed him yet.

IDK more input plz

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March 12, 2015, 08:03:10 AM
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u know I heard UtopianFuture == TaunSew?  
anyway I refuse to believe this shit cuz TaunSew seems like IQ 80 or something, srsly, whereas UF posts seem like he actually has some brains and social skills gettin this thing running. who could believe that Taun guy launched NEM?  I ain't believing it.

UtopianFuture is probably still another guy thats active in the project, just nobody exposed him yet.

IDK more input plz

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From talking to both of them, my best guess is UtopianFuture == TaunSew.  I know jealousy lowers peoples' IQs when they let it get the better of them.  UtopianFuture is probably posing as multiple individuals.

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Of course its needed , its the "New Exciting Moneymaker". The next super pump an dump in crypto  Grin
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Is it true 65% of NEM will be controlled by the devs?  Shocked
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March 12, 2015, 03:13:36 PM
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its the "New Exciting Moneymaker". The next super pump an dump in crypto  Grin

sounds pretty nifty


I said:

Is it true 65% of NEM will be controlled by the devs?  Shocked

wow that's intense (if true)

do they say that somewhere?

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March 12, 2015, 04:37:58 PM
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Is CfA still relevant? Is he needed? What is he?

Take a few minutes to peruse his history:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=300079;sa=showPosts


As for NEM distribution - 65% to devs? What are you smoking? Where do you guys come up with this stuff? Distirution is a long story, but the vast majority of XEM goes to stakeholders, not developers. I believe that there were a few unclaimed stakes which have been allocated to a variety of funds such as community development, node operation incentives, etc.  This info is all in the newsletters, on the website, in the forums, etc.

4000 chars available and all I got was this stupid tagline.
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March 12, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
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its the "New Exciting Moneymaker". The next super pump an dump in crypto  Grin

sounds pretty nifty


I said:

Is it true 65% of NEM will be controlled by the devs?  Shocked

wow that's intense (if true)

do they say that somewhere?

It is still unlaunched so the plan could change. But currently, 35% of NEM will be distributed to stakeholders.

Zachamo, you haven't been paying attention. And I didn't say 65% to devs.
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March 12, 2015, 08:39:48 PM
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Is CfA still relevant? Is he needed? What is he?

Matey, I dont think I'm relevant and I dont think I'm needed to be honest!  But that kinda differentiates me from NEM I guess.

U see I didn't claim any of this. But NEM does. It says it is needed, it is relevant, it is important, it is the next big thing and not shite. But why, really? There are others whove got what nem hopes to be up and running just fine. What makes the 'Nem' needed?  What makes it so great? I'm not against Nem by any means, but I think there's a lot of BS marketing that makes no sense about it. Hence the thread, ye know. :´) What makes it so special that its gonna outperform all other crypto platforms? It would be great to know thx

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it does sound VERY interesting!  Grin

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lets keep an open mind. almost all alts turn out be crapola....maybe these guys have a plan after a year! we shall see.

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March 12, 2015, 11:15:33 PM
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or the record, 65% will not go to devs pockets.. its much MUCH less than that... there are 5 core devs, more than most cryptos if not all bar bitcoin, so the dev stakes assigned as rewards will be split between the 5 devs and other people who have done dev work which includes about another 3-4 people for various things... the total amount being split between these 8-9 people is 10% at launch. at V1 which will be when business rules, asset exchange, and a number of other features are ready, there will be another 10% split between devs but it will be paid out during a stretched out period probably spanning up to 1 year but im not sure on that.. then there is 5% for marketing, ecosystem and other stuff.. so thats the 25% that was originally set aside from day one..

then sock puppet removals came along and SHIT TONS on sock puppets got caught out(sockmasters who held stashes of 10-200+ illegal stakes) due to the dev team running 3 or 4 rounds of ever increasingly difficulty to dodge soc removal phases which when you combine with the number of unclaimed stakes so far(which will drop quite a lot post launch) brings the number of stakes assigned to individual stake holders down to ~40% of all stakes.. though this has reduced the amount of stakes assigned to stake holders, we now are very confident that we have >1300 unique individuals in the genesis block and an unmatched wealth distribution among these people... this will also seriously reduce the dumping post launch so the price should be quite healthy post launch as nem has broken the mould and removed pretty much all sock masters and has not allowed the creating of whales who hold gargantuan amounts of nem..(stakes held by the nem team != whales who can freely dump)

now let me make one thing very clear before i move on: the sock puppet stakes confiscated or unclaimed will not go into developers, or any insiders pockets!
the unclaimed/sock stakes will be placed into various funds such as a community run fund to which anyone will be able to apply for funding to get nem related projects funded which will be a significant boost to the nem ecosystem. there may also be funds for having the NCC developed as well as a mobile client(which is already in early stage development) and a smaller stake for marketing costs so that we can build a recognisable brand for nem. there are other smaller funds which i cant think of right now but you can find proposals on the nem forum.

but one thing i must stress is that these unclaimed/sock stakes, will not be "going into pockets" for personal gain.. every single nem will be used to further the development and progression of nem towards a booming ecosystem and on to global adoption(hopefully Grin), through the use of community fund, marketing fund and various other funds, and every single penny will be held under multi-signature control and (the community fund) will be subject to community approval before funds are spent or distributed to fund a project, which is one big reason for the delay in launch as the devs refused to launch before multisig was ready and fully tested and secure.

also, i must also stress that yes taun can be a pain in the ass sometimes but he is just one person.. please refrain from judging an entire community based on one persons postings.. i would invite you all to come over and check nem out.. even though nem has taken so long, the community is far from disheartened and actually grows more confident by the day. on telegram between multiple nem chats there are normally over 3k messages in around a 24h period, if not more.. IRC, the nem forum, the btt thread, trello and chinese forums have had continuous growth irrespective of the delays in launch. excitement is rising as we proceed towards launch and it is rapidly approaching. this is not a platform that should be easily dismissed.

@from above, you are right about bloodyrookie, but he is only one of our astounding developers.. Gimre, Jaguar0626, Makoto, Bloodyrookie, and Thies, are all insanely skilled developers, but combined they form a team that i dont think has ever been seen before in crypto... you should really test out the client and see what im talking about.. they have made a great number of HUGE breakthroughs in cryptocurrency technology.

some of these breakthroughs are such things as proof of importance, which if it proves to be secure and functions as it is supposed to be, it could well be the next major step in consensus algos from PoW -> PoS -> PoI.

another is the local Ncc, remote Harvesting/Nis combination, which allows users to connect their locally run Ncc to a remote instance of Nis and use that instance to securely transact(keys are never sent over the network) and harvest(proxy address is used and sent to nis) with out ever needing to download or sync the blockchain or trust the operator of the Nis. this is a MAJOR breakthrough, as it is now takes less than 2-3 mins for a new users to boot up the client and begin transacting and harvesting securely even if the nis is controlled by a malicious actor.

Nem has also integrated a new spam filter which i dont think any crypto has done to date.. Nem is also the first coin to have blockchain based multi signature accounts, which for the record, none of the other established cryptocurrencies have managed to pull off so far. Nem is also the first to have P2P synchronised time, which i have heard is a problem that P2P tech has needed solving for a quite while.. and this is all before Nem has even launched which shows the core teams dedication to producing only the finest, most secure and stable network possible prior to launch. these are not the actions of developers who are interested in making a quick buck.. these guys want to change the world and they are going about it the right way imo.

these are but a few of the major innovations of nem..  however im not here to tell you to pump in all the money you have into nem, it is still of course early days and nem still has a lot to prove.. but i would state again what cassius has said about keeping an open mind. and he is quite right in fact.. there are a lot more great things to come from nem. anyway, id urge people to take a closer look at this one before writing it off..

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March 13, 2015, 12:33:46 AM
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ohh baseless accusations. these topics are always fun. here let me try : seems like a socket puppet is crying .

Nothing to learn from here folks. Move along.
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Thanks for the long and detailed response kodtycoon


ohh baseless accusations. these topics are always fun. here let me try : seems like a socket puppet is crying .

Nothing to learn from here folks. Move along.
unfortunately this is totally unrelated. Please keep posts ontopic. thanks!

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then sock puppet removals came along and SHIT TONS on sock puppets got caught out(sockmasters who held stashes of 10-200+ illegal stakes) due to the dev team running 3 or 4 rounds of ever increasingly difficulty to dodge soc removal phases which when you combine with the number of unclaimed stakes so far(which will drop quite a lot post launch) brings the number of stakes assigned to individual stake holders down to ~40% of all stakes.. though this has reduced the amount of stakes assigned to stake holders, we now are very confident that we have >1300 unique individuals in the genesis block and an unmatched wealth distribution among these people... this will also seriously reduce the dumping post launch so the price should be quite healthy post launch as nem has broken the mould and removed pretty much all sock masters and has not allowed the creating of whales who hold gargantuan amounts of nem..(stakes held by the nem team != whales who can freely dump)

What makes you think that UtopianFuture isn't aware of how to bypass the sock puppet searches?  How hard is it to use a VPN/Tor and Virtual Machines to get around those?  You make it sound like your sock puppet removal was "fool proof", but that's not true at all.

You claim 1300 unique individuals at launch is some kind of achievement in "egalitarianism" which is absurd.  NXT has over 100,000 accounts.  A lot of original NXT stakeholders sold out early before it became worth a substantial amount of money.  There are over 7 billion people in the world.  What about the other 6,999,998,700 individuals?  Regardless of how evenly spread out the initial distribution is, which is highly questionable, we all know that very quickly some people will dump their coins and others will quickly purchase tons of coins making the initial distribution null and void.  Wealth distribution is controlled by the Pareto principle and you cannot change nature.  Why spend so much time and energy vainly and unsuccessfully attempting to make distribution "equal" when it will be instantly destroyed once the coin is allowed to be exchanged?  "Equal" doesn't equate to "Fair" and NEM's initial distribution was far from "Fair".  UtopianFuture made sure of that.

some of these breakthroughs are such things as proof of importance, which if it proves to be secure and functions as it is supposed to be, it could well be the next major step in consensus algos from PoW -> PoS -> PoI.

PoI is fundamentally flawed.  What is to prevent someone from creating a ring network (or other loop topology) with their accounts and sending NEM between their own accounts, thus increasing their forging (aka "Harvesting") power to the point which they can attack the network?  It is impossible to detect all the possible account topologies which would allow this.

another is the local Ncc, remote Harvesting/Nis combination, which allows users to connect their locally run Ncc to a remote instance of Nis and use that instance to securely transact(keys are never sent over the network) and harvest(proxy address is used and sent to nis) with out ever needing to download or sync the blockchain or trust the operator of the Nis. this is a MAJOR breakthrough, as it is now takes less than 2-3 mins for a new users to boot up the client and begin transacting and harvesting securely even if the nis is controlled by a malicious actor.

This isn't a "MAJOR breakthrough".  This is already possible in NXT.  In NXT, you can locally generate signed transaction bytes without downloading the entire blockchain and use someone else's online NXT node to broadcast the transaction.

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March 13, 2015, 05:18:31 AM
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hah.. staking in NXT.

now thats a term i haven't heard in along time. Seriously. How much coins do you need to own to be able to stake a few hundreds? i am almost sure 100k nxt is not enough.
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hah.. staking in NXT.

now thats a term i haven't heard in along time. Seriously. How much coins do you need to own to be able to stake a few hundreds? i am almost sure 100k nxt is not enough.

Everyone stakes in equal proportion to the amount of coins they hold.  How is NEM any different?  Are you some type of Communist?

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You claim 1300 unique individuals at launch is some kind of achievement in "egalitarianism" which is absurd.  NXT has over 100,000 accounts.  A lot of original NXT stakeholders sold out early before it became worth a substantial amount of money.  There are over 7 billion people in the world.  What about the other 6,999,998,700 individuals?  Regardless of how evenly spread out the initial distribution is, which is highly questionable, we all know that very quickly some people will dump their coins and others will quickly purchase tons of coins making the initial distribution null and void.  Wealth distribution is controlled by the Pareto principle and you cannot change nature.  Why spend so much time and energy vainly and unsuccessfully attempting to make distribution "equal" when it will be instantly destroyed once the coin is allowed to be exchanged?  "Equal" doesn't equate to "Fair" and NEM's initial distribution was far from "Fair".  UtopianFuture made sure of that.

You are speculating. You will probably be right. People might dump. But that does not mean the distribution is not healthy at lunch. Why is this important?  Well it raises the ratio or dumper to holders. Also the moment the price dips. Just like you assume people will dump , well with that many users im sure equally more will be there to buy them. minimizing the low floor.

Either way. this is speculations. Nothing wrong with that but your sound like your calling them out of something that might happen.. calm your titties


PoI is fundamentally flawed.  

Can you prove it?
Also. You think you are a genius to think of this exploit? NEM devs have never thought of this? a year into developments and no one thought of this basic "fundamental" exploit?
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