[Updated] Battleship Game at CoinXerox - Provably Fair AI

[Coef]

The game is nice, but I do see a big problem in it. As I see, most of the gamblers prefers fast-paced games like dice, they may play a battleship game occasionally but very few of them will spend half an hour to play just 5 games.

Adding special weapons will definitely make the game more fun, but the most crucial thing IMHO is to make it faster, either by adding the cashout option in the middle of the game as suggested or to add another version with a smaller board and fewer ships.

[Snorek]

The game is nice, but I do see a big problem in it. As I see, most of the gamblers prefers fast-paced games like dice, they may play a battleship game occasionally but very few of them will spend half an hour to play 5 games.

Adding special weapons will definitely make the game more fun, but the most crucial thing IMHO is to make it faster, either by adding the cashout option in the middle of the game as suggested or to add another version with smaller board and fewer ship.

If you are looking for faster paced game you will rather play dice instead. Battleship is old idea and, frankly, I like it as it is. Of course you can always try to invent something new, add more variations. But if you like concept in general you will be fine.

[coinvest]

Cool game. I'll try it. I love connection > games with bitcoin

[Coef]

The game is nice, but I do see a big problem in it. As I see, most of the gamblers prefers fast-paced games like dice, they may play a battleship game occasionally but very few of them will spend half an hour to play 5 games.

Adding special weapons will definitely make the game more fun, but the most crucial thing IMHO is to make it faster, either by adding the cashout option in the middle of the game as suggested or to add another version with smaller board and fewer ship.

If you are looking for faster paced game you will rather play dice instead. Battleship is old idea and, frankly, I like it as it is. Of course you can always try to invent something new, add more variations. But if you like concept in general you will be fine.

Fair enough, but still adding the cashout option or adding a smaller version while keeping the current one there should bring no harm to the site or the battleship lovers.

[Snorek]

The game is nice, but I do see a big problem in it. As I see, most of the gamblers prefers fast-paced games like dice, they may play a battleship game occasionally but very few of them will spend half an hour to play 5 games.

Adding special weapons will definitely make the game more fun, but the most crucial thing IMHO is to make it faster, either by adding the cashout option in the middle of the game as suggested or to add another version with smaller board and fewer ship.

If you are looking for faster paced game you will rather play dice instead. Battleship is old idea and, frankly, I like it as it is. Of course you can always try to invent something new, add more variations. But if you like concept in general you will be fine.

Fair enough, but still adding the cashout option or adding a smaller version while keeping the current one there should bring no harm to the site or the battleship lovers.

Yes, I think it could be fun. Not changing much. It will be nice option for people who want faster paced game. But I am not sure about the bets in this kind of "short game mode" I think that in normal version max bet should be increased to at least 100 mBTC and in short version it should remain 50 mBTC.

[kotwica666]

 Before i played here https://battlebase.co/  but i see that site is down. I have links to some games on my btc faucet. Can I post your game there in the place of battlebase? Do you have any banner that i can use?

For battlebase i used this:


But this is from some game

E: did you think about affiliate program?

[Chemistry1988]

E: did you think about affiliate program?

They have an affiliate program already. You can get 50% of the house profit for the first month, and 25% - 40% afterwards.
Check http://coinxerox.com/affiliate/overview for the details.

[baumi]

Before i played here https://battlebase.co/  but i see that site is down. I have links to some games on my btc faucet. Can I post your game there in the place of battlebase? Do you have any banner that i can use?

For battlebase i used this:


But this is from some game

E: did you think about affiliate program?

You can use the picture from the thread main post (http://www.image-share.com/upload/2884/35.png).

If you need a smaller one (http://www.image-share.com/upload/2884/51.png)

As Chemistry1988 already posted, affiliate program: http://coinxerox.com/affiliate/overview

By the way, a few people mentioned battlebase. Unfortunately I never saw the game. Was there some special functions, anything interesting for an inspiration?

[kotwica666]

Thanks guys!

I didn't notice that CoinXerox is a gambling site  In this case, I do not think I'll be able to advertise it on my site .. I will check it out ..

[patt0]

This is great. xD Is there any way for us to place our ships? Or is it always random?
@rayhan you need to win by a greater number of shots. Maybe 14 to 20 or something lol. Less than that and you start losing bitcoins.

is it possible to make a profit we should won a landslide victory as 20-9
i mean, i get 20 points and the opponent only less than 10
is like that?

The computer fires randomly so it's not a difficult game lol and I don't think you have to win by that much to profit. Maybe 20-12 or 20-13 is enough.

@baumi I didn't read everything, but this site seems to have some detail about building a program to win at battleship with good odds
http://www.datagenetics.com/blog/december32011

Thanks patt0, the article seems interesting.

We are seriously thinking about a more intelligent dealer. A dealer bot that doesn't play randomly but that are looking for enemy ships as a human does. It could be more fun and even payout odds confusion would be removed.

So far it seems that the biggest challenge would be to merge an bot program with provably fair system. How to include an dynamic behavior into fixed provably fair final shuffle? We need to resolve this first.

I don't know but maybe release the bot program as open source? And if it always does the same action when it is in the same situation people should be able to see it was a fair game lol.
But it may be easier to find ways to beat the computer that way, or copy the program and play with the bot against the server too. Maybe create several bots and choose one to use each game at random? xD

[twn]

very good game. like to play but i think house edge is high

[FanEagle]

who's winning big so far at this game? 

[baumi]

New Version Released

Provably fair AI!

The dealer doesn't fire in random way. When there is a hit, he is hunting for a ship by firing on squares around the hit.

Payout line was changed too. Payout is determined as 98% of ratio of player's hits to dealer's hits. After beta-testing it will be decreased to 1% house edge only.

For tech info about provably fair AI, please see updated main post of this thread.

Give a feedback and Good Luck!

[baumi]

There are a lot of good suggestions for improvement. Thanks all of you for that.

To make a public opinion more exact, I've added a poll "What would you like to change on the Battleship?". Please vote and note that there is a "no change" option as well.

[kpitti]

New Version Released

Provably fair AI!

The dealer doesn't fire in random way. When there is a hit, he is hunting for a ship by firing on squares around the hit.

Payout line was changed too. Payout is determined as 98% of ratio of player's hits to dealer's hits. After beta-testing it will be decreased to 1% house edge only.

For tech info about provably fair AI, please see updated main post of this thread.

Give a feedback and Good Luck!

I realized that immediately when started new game . Now it`s more funny, but not that all as I lost one game 20:19 .
I will think if I will play again, I do not feel that I have better strategy then dealer Now it`s just how lucky we are.

[kotwica666]

By the way, a few people mentioned battlebase. Unfortunately I never saw the game. Was there some special functions, anything interesting for an inspiration?

Your version is much better. I remember that there was chat and was also possibility of betting on player or joining the game .. or something like that .. correct me someone if I'm wrong.

[u9y42]

New Version Released

Provably fair AI!

The dealer doesn't fire in random way. When there is a hit, he is hunting for a ship by firing on squares around the hit.

Payout line was changed too. Payout is determined as 98% of ratio of player's hits to dealer's hits. After beta-testing it will be decreased to 1% house edge only.

For tech info about provably fair AI, please see updated main post of this thread.

Give a feedback and Good Luck!

Good job with the new AI. I played 3 times against it, and didn't win once - it could also be the case that I suck at this game, now that I think about it, but well done anyway.

As for new changes to the game rules, I would probably go with either the suggestion someone made earlier for making the game faster (or add a game mode that allows this), or the possibility to cash out during the game, maybe at the expense of some additional coins. I would also like to see a Player versus Player mode, but I suspect it would quickly turn into a programming battle, to determine who has the best bot... and that reminds me of AT Robots.

[shanem]

New Version Released

Provably fair AI!

The dealer doesn't fire in random way. When there is a hit, he is hunting for a ship by firing on squares around the hit.

Payout line was changed too. Payout is determined as 98% of ratio of player's hits to dealer's hits. After beta-testing it will be decreased to 1% house edge only.

For tech info about provably fair AI, please see updated main post of this thread.

Give a feedback and Good Luck!

This is a good update, it makes the game more interesting.
Previously I always win because of the dumb bot.
Now it is a better challenge as it is possible to lose.

[kotwica666]

ha! at the beginning it was very nice .. but from last ten games I won maybe two ..

[baumi]

New Version Released

Provably fair AI!

The dealer doesn't fire in random way. When there is a hit, he is hunting for a ship by firing on squares around the hit.

Payout line was changed too. Payout is determined as 98% of ratio of player's hits to dealer's hits. After beta-testing it will be decreased to 1% house edge only.

For tech info about provably fair AI, please see updated main post of this thread.

Give a feedback and Good Luck!

This is a good update, it makes the game more interesting.
Previously I always win because of the dumb bot.
Now it is a better challenge as it is possible to lose.

I agree. At beginning the main purpose of AI was to change payout line, because too many people thought the house edge is too high. But the game has a new dimension with AI - the impact pretty surprised me. I think there is practically no difference between human and bot playing now.