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August 11, 2012, 08:30:37 AM |
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My main point is that if socialism is the best way to make Bulgarians happy, then they should be socialist. It wouldn't make me happy, though. So I live in 'MURICA!!111
As long as it's voluntary, I don't care how they organize their society. Like you said, whatever makes them happy. Uh-oh. What if involuntary organization makes them the happiest? This happens over and over. Countries in the middle east get "democracy" and vote away their freedom. |
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myrkul
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August 11, 2012, 09:24:54 AM |
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My main point is that if socialism is the best way to make Bulgarians happy, then they should be socialist. It wouldn't make me happy, though. So I live in 'MURICA!!111
As long as it's voluntary, I don't care how they organize their society. Like you said, whatever makes them happy. Uh-oh. What if involuntary organization makes them the happiest? This happens over and over. Countries in the middle east get "democracy" and vote away their freedom. There's a reason you put democracy in quotes. That's probably the same reason they "vote away their freedom" |
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August 12, 2012, 02:22:47 AM |
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M8, agree, or disagree. That is all. It's fine to cite the broken window fallacy, but WWII pulled us out of the Great Depression. Furthermore, the main argument seems to be "The money spent on the war effort, for example, is money that cannot be spent on food, clothing, health care, consumer electronics or other areas." Funny how we managed to CREATE jobs with WWII then, huh?
WWII was a net positive for America.
How can diverting economic resources to blowing things up create economic prosperity. It's absurd on it's face, hence the Broken Window Fallacy. What good are jobs if they're just oiling the war machine; destroying wealth? We don't want jobs just for the sake of jobs, what we want is WEALTH which the jobs produce. The depression ended after the war finished and government drastically reduced spending and ended most of the New Deal programs which helped to prolong the depression. |
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August 12, 2012, 03:18:32 AM |
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The fighting wasn't in America.
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myrkul
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August 12, 2012, 03:21:57 AM |
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The fighting wasn't in America.
And? American capital still got destroyed. |
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benjamindees
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August 12, 2012, 04:42:01 AM |
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American capital still got destroyed.
American raw materials got destroyed. But much more capital outside of America was destroyed, causing our capital to rise in value. The value rise in our capital was probably larger than the loss in raw materials value, in the short term. |
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myrkul
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August 12, 2012, 04:47:47 AM |
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American capital still got destroyed.
American raw materials got destroyed. But much more capital outside of America was destroyed, causing our capital to rise in value. The value rise in our capital was probably larger than the loss in raw materials value, in the short term. Right, my sand-castle lost a tower, but I kicked down your sand-castle completely. That makes my castle worth more, right? Because we lost less than they did does not make it a good thing. |
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August 12, 2012, 04:53:02 AM |
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Because we lost less than they did does not make it a good thing.
No, but... Right, my sand-castle lost a tower, but I kicked down your sand-castle completely. That makes my castle worth more, right? We aren't talking about sand castles. We're talking about the machinery used to create sand castles. And, in that case, yes destroying another machine makes your machine worth more since it still produces the same products, only with less competition. Capitalism, as practiced in the global economy as is, is not equivalent to one of Milton Freeman's thought experiments. |
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myrkul
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August 12, 2012, 05:02:10 AM |
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Why are we even arguing this? Impoverishing the world is not a net positive!
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benjamindees
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August 12, 2012, 05:03:31 AM |
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Why are we even arguing this? Impoverishing the world is not a net positive!
It is to some people. It's beneficial to recognize this. |
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myrkul
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August 12, 2012, 05:07:06 AM |
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Why are we even arguing this? Impoverishing the world is not a net positive!
It is to some people. It's beneficial to recognize this. Yes, "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne |
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August 12, 2012, 05:10:14 AM |
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Yes, "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
Not just the state. The capitalists who subsidize bombing their competition. |
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myrkul
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August 12, 2012, 05:23:29 AM |
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Yes, "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
Not just the state. The capitalists who subsidize bombing their competition. Remove the State, nothing to subsidize. |
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August 12, 2012, 09:31:18 PM |
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Yes, "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
Not just the state. The capitalists who subsidize bombing their competition. If it creates wealth, they would be doing it. But they aren't bombing their competition, so it obviously doesn't. You don't hear Wal-Mart bombing the local Target in the news. |
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myrkul
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August 12, 2012, 09:39:01 PM |
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Yes, "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
Not just the state. The capitalists who subsidize bombing their competition. If it creates wealth, they would be doing it. But they aren't bombing their competition, so it obviously doesn't. You don't hear Wal-Mart bombing the local Target in the news. I hear that ADT/Brinks war is hotting up, though.  |
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August 13, 2012, 12:40:38 AM |
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Yes, "War is the health of the State." - Randolph Bourne
Not just the state. The capitalists who subsidize bombing their competition. If it creates wealth, they would be doing it. But they aren't bombing their competition, so it obviously doesn't. You don't hear Wal-Mart bombing the local Target in the news. I hear that ADT/Brinks war is hotting up, though. Rottweiler is better than both of them combined. Yes, I mean the dog. |
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