Wiki Weapon

[TheBitcoinChemist]

http://defensedistributed.com/

Someone get these guys to take bitcoin, and I'm in.

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[D4CH]

Well that was quickly.

[TheBitcoinChemist]

Well that was quickly.

Yeah, it looks like the same guys that produced the printed AR-15 lower receiver mentioned last week.

[myrkul]

Also:
http://defensedistributed.com/bitcoin/

We are happy to accept Bitcoin contributions at the following address:

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[ElectricMucus]

Hi to all pentagon cyber-security employees! 

[tgmarks]

Hi to all pentagon cyber-security employees! 

Haha, this made me actually laugh in my cubical!

This project is awesome though, way cool.

[myrkul]

Hi to all pentagon cyber-security employees! 

Haha, this made me actually laugh in my cubical!

Pentagon employee spotted!

[wachtwoord]

Why start with a weapon though  

Information should be free is something I completely agree with though. Time to cancel all copyright laws.

[myrkul]

Why start with a weapon though  

Because the 2nd amendment is how you enforce the 1st and 3-10.

[wachtwoord]

Okay, now without referencing the American constitution please. I could really care less what is in there.

[myrkul]

Okay, now without referencing the American constitution please. I could really care less what is in there.

Sorry. I sometimes forget we are a world-wide community. The reasoning behind starting with a weapon is inherent, though, in the ideas behind the 2nd amendment. I'll let Ice-T say it for me:

[tgmarks]

The principle is the same whether you refer to the # of the amendment and the ones is defends or the actual meaning and words of those amendments.

[ElectricMucus]

Well, wachtwoord has a point though:
There isn't a 2nd amendment equivalent in most countries around the world, where I live that is only formulated as a grant not a right, and only granted as a relic of reformation period of monarchy in my county, although still valid. And in some countries there is nothing, except that mocking UN-declaration.

[wachtwoord]

There is nothing wrong with the right. Most people are just to stupid to understand when to exercise the right. Guns turn stupid, meaningless petty people that in normal situations can be ignored for the meaningless people that they are, into actual threats that cannot be ignored.

The human body is really vulnerable and death is final.

[ElectricMucus]

You are entitled to your opinion, but you'd have a hard time arguing about it in a thread about selfmade guns

[wachtwoord]

I do not challenge the right of people to carry arms
I do not challenge the right to carry out this project, in fact I applaud the though behind it: Freedom of information

I just would have preferred them choosing something else than weapons as their initial subject

The thread is not about homemade weapons imho, it's about one of the first projects related to open source automated physical object development (may be we need a revised version of GNU GPL?). Very interesting and not directly related to guns or weapons of any sort. Of course, no matter what the initial subject is, weapons will be produced (I am not delusional).

[myrkul]

I do not challenge the right of people to carry arms
I do not challenge the right to carry out this project, in fact I applaud the though behind it: Freedom of information

I just would have preferred them choosing something else than weapons as their initial subject

The thread is not about homemade weapons imho, it's about one of the first projects related to open source automated physical object development (may be we need a revised version of GNU GPL?). Very interesting and not directly related to guns or weapons of any sort. Of course, no matter what the initial subject is, weapons will be produced (I am not delusional).

Thing is, by choosing to use a weapon, they have made a very strong statement: that all information, regardless of content, should be free.

[ElectricMucus]

The thread is not about homemade weapons imho, it's about one of the first projects related to open source automated physical object development (may be we need a revised version of GNU GPL?).

Oh well lets see we have

a complete civilization: http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set
about every gadget you can imagine: http://www.thingiverse.com
a car: http://wikispeed.com/
a plane http://makerplane.org/

not to mention various electronic devices from computers, game consoles and instruments (I own 2 of them actually)
It is hard to think of anything not being developed in a open source model...

Yes it's time.

[nimda]

I do not challenge the right of people to carry arms
I do not challenge the right to carry out this project, in fact I applaud the though behind it: Freedom of information

I just would have preferred them choosing something else than weapons as their initial subject

The thread is not about homemade weapons imho, it's about one of the first projects related to open source automated physical object development (may be we need a revised version of GNU GPL?). Very interesting and not directly related to guns or weapons of any sort. Of course, no matter what the initial subject is, weapons will be produced (I am not delusional).

Repraps are a "relatively" old concept. Relative to printing AR-15 lowers.
"open source automated physical object development" --> RepRap

[nedbert9]

Well, wachtwoord has a point though:
There isn't a 2nd amendment equivalent in most countries around the world, where I live that is only formulated as a grant not a right, and only granted as a relic of reformation period of monarchy in my county, although still valid. And in some countries there is nothing, except that mocking UN-declaration.

The principle behind the US 2nd amendment is a result of enlightened evolution of government.  An acknowledgement by the intellectual elite (arguably ) that governments have and will devolve and operate to the detriment of society and at that point there are likely no options to effect positive governmental change other than by force.

If one recalls the turmoil in Europe a few hundred years ago of wholesale dissolution of parliaments and back and forth struggle for complete and absolute power by monarchies it's no surprise that the profound right for the people to bear arms, or more pointedly for the common people to pose a real threat to their own government, is not something found in the old world.


Now, if one thinks that stupid or disturbed people having guns and shooting up movie theaters is scary consider that in today's world the US citizen, with the right to bear basic weaponry, possesses only a fraction of the force leverage against their government's technologically advanced war making and intelligence capability.  The teeth of the 2nd amendment, the counterbalance to the worst of government dysfunction, is largely gone.  No first world government has a rational reason to fear successful revolt.

What do you think the Syrian's chances would be if Syria was a first world country with commensurate war making and intelligence capability?