Let us define constructive posts (wrt DaDice signature campaign)

[ndnh]

Constructive is a relative term and it differs from person to person. I am making this thread to get an idea (for me and for the readers) what posts are generally accepted as constructive and which are not.

While making the spreadsheet for the dadice campaign, I found a way to check the board of posting and also the number of characters in a post. But how can it know which is constructive, which is not?
I always wondered how bit-x bot uses differentiates between both. I think they merely check the number of characters and at the end of the period they check the recent posts of relevant pariticpants and take a percentage of their post count as not-constructive, deduct it and payout for the rest.
Any way to do this?
(We won't make the ultimate count automated, but it will be better if we show approximately how many posts will be counted in real time)

Let me know your thoughts

To post what you think as constructive and what as not, quote a post and say whether it is constructive, why/ why not you consider it so. Try not to quote your own posts.

(Please don't be offended if someone quotes your post as not constructive. It is just a chance to know what people think and how you can improve)

Thank you

[shulio]

Constructive is a relative term and it differs from person to person. I am making this thread to get an idea (for me and for the readers) what posts are generally accepted as constructive and which are not.

While making the spreadsheet for the dadice campaign, I found a way to check the board of posting and also the number of characters in a post. But how can it know which is constructive, which is not?
I always wondered how bit-x bot uses differentiates between both. I think they merely check the number of characters and at the end of the period they check the recent posts of relevant pariticpants and take a percentage of their post count as not-constructive, deduct it and payout for the rest.
Any way to do this?
(We won't make the ultimate count automated, but it will be better if we show approximately how many posts will be counted in real time)

Let me know your thoughts

To post what you think as constructive and what as not, quote a post and say whether it is constructive, why/ why not you consider it so. Try not to quote your own posts.

(Please don't be offended if someone quotes your post as not constructive. It is just a chance to know what people think and how you can improve)

Thank you

for me, constructive would be either your post give a contribution to the topic or not
in other words, we can just imagine, did our post actually give up worthy opinion for the discussion topic on the thread or answer up question related to the discussion topic

[ndnh]

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for me, constructive would be either your post give a contribution to the topic or not
in other words, we can just imagine, did our post actually give up worthy opinion for the discussion topic on the thread or answer up question related to the discussion topic

Thanks

Out of the last 20 posts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125554;sa=showPosts , for instance, (if you take all boards as included except the ones in the dadice campaign thread), how many posts will you consider as constructive?

[shulio]

--snip--

for me, constructive would be either your post give a contribution to the topic or not
in other words, we can just imagine, did our post actually give up worthy opinion for the discussion topic on the thread or answer up question related to the discussion topic

Thanks

Out of the last 20 posts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125554;sa=showPosts , for instance, (if you take all boards as included except the ones in the dadice campaign thread), how many posts will you consider as constructive?

Im not in a position to judge, since i mself consider that not all of my post can be considered constructive too and also the words "constructive post" in this forum cannot be define acutally , because it is due to the preference and judgement of some people are slighty different one another

I will personally exclude #20, 19, 17, 16, 15, 12, 4 and 3 as being not constructive enough, since im not in a position to judge as mine was not better than any top poster in this meta board

[ndnh]

--snip--

for me, constructive would be either your post give a contribution to the topic or not
in other words, we can just imagine, did our post actually give up worthy opinion for the discussion topic on the thread or answer up question related to the discussion topic

Thanks

Out of the last 20 posts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125554;sa=showPosts , for instance, (if you take all boards as included except the ones in the dadice campaign thread), how many posts will you consider as constructive?

Im not in a position to judge, since i mself consider that not all of my post can be considered constructive too and also the words "constructive post" in this forum cannot be define acutally , because it is due to the preference and judgement of some people are slighty different one another

I will personally exclude #20, 19, 17, 16, 15, 12, 4 and 3 as being not constructive enough, since im not in a position to judge as mine was not better than any top poster in this meta board

Thanks for your opinion
He had posted that he considers at least 90%+ of his posts to be constructive. That is why I just asked

Well, I got to get more opinions so that we can improve our counting. lol, I couldn't find this and didn't know it was moved from Services section to Meta. Had to gt herre form recent posts. Will put a link in our campaign thread to get more opinions



Edit: Would also like any suggestions on including and excluding boards.

[botany]

Well, I got to get more opinions so that we can improve our counting. lol, I couldn't find this and didn't know it was moved from Services section to Meta. Had to gt herre form recent posts. Will put a link in our campaign thread to get more opinions

Edit: Would also like any suggestions on including and excluding boards.

Maybe you should change the title to  Let us define constructive posts (wrt DaDice signature campaign)
If this is specific to the signature campaign, Marketplace --> Service Discussion would be the right place for this thread.

[ndnh]

Well, I got to get more opinions so that we can improve our counting. lol, I couldn't find this and didn't know it was moved from Services section to Meta. Had to gt herre form recent posts. Will put a link in our campaign thread to get more opinions

Edit: Would also like any suggestions on including and excluding boards.

Maybe you should change the title to  Let us define constructive posts (wrt DaDice signature campaign)
If this is specific to the signature campaign, Marketplace --> Service Discussion would be the right place for this thread.

Yeah, I guess. Initially it was not intended to be relating to dadice campaign. Now I think, it is.

I will move it to Service Discussion and change the title.

Thanks

[shulio]

Well, I got to get more opinions so that we can improve our counting. lol, I couldn't find this and didn't know it was moved from Services section to Meta. Had to gt herre form recent posts. Will put a link in our campaign thread to get more opinions

Edit: Would also like any suggestions on including and excluding boards.

Maybe you should change the title to  Let us define constructive posts (wrt DaDice signature campaign)
If this is specific to the signature campaign, Marketplace --> Service Discussion would be the right place for this thread.

Yeah, I guess. Initially it was not intended to be relating to dadice campaign. Now I think, it is.

I will move it to Service Discussion and change the title.

Thanks

I think this should be directed to all signature campaigners, due to the recent events of alot of campaigners banned because of insubstantial post + sig adds, campaign manager on the other hands should be strict to this issue, there are quite some signature campaigns that dont check the post quality of their campaigner

[bri912678]

I think most signature campaign managers obviously rule out posts like a smiley, +1, and one word posts. Apart from those they probably have a minimum word count and require the post to have some bearing on the thread's topic. I saw one post that was cut and pasted words from a song. That's the kind of thing that would get disqualified.

[erikalui]

Can you have a look at my posting as well? I would like to know if my posts are constructive or appearing spammy 

[Harry Hood]

Thanks

Out of the last 20 posts here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125554;sa=showPosts , for instance, (if you take all boards as included except the ones in the dadice campaign thread), how many posts will you consider as constructive?

From these i'd exclude #2, 4, 5, 9, 15, 18, and 20. (I know you ask for the count that are constructive, but the first person to respond to this above listed in terms of exclusions. I'll do the same for comparisons sake.)

Great discussion idea, this is what we need. There's been a lot of discussion among the Admin, Moderator, Staff folks but not much from the community of ad campaign participants. If we discuss it and understand what we as a community deem constructive (vs. not) I think we'll all be able to improve the posts and reduce the tension.

For me, a constructive post needs to:

1) Push the discussion further. This could be through offering additional insight or facts or by asking relevant questions that haven't been asked yet. (E.g., even easy questions to ask but appropriate for the discussion are constructive b/c there are a lot of newer forum members here, they have a right to learn (as much as we did when we were new))

2) Come across positively, attitude comes into play, being argumentative doesn't help any discussion (be it at the bar or over coffee or on this forum) so a positive, friendly attitude is also important to making the post constructive.

3) Not repeat what people who posted earlier have said, a lot of posters poach an easy newbie question to answer so they just reply quick without reading through to see if the question has been answered, this is a key indicator of post count boosting rather than reading and contributing to a thread.

I look forward to reading this discussion and I'd also welcome any feedback on my recent posts!

[ndnh]

From these i'd exclude #2, 4, 5, 9, 15, 18, and 20. (I know you ask for the count that are constructive, but the first person to respond to this above listed in terms of exclusions. I'll do the same for comparisons sake.)

Great discussion idea, this is what we need. There's been a lot of discussion among the Admin, Moderator, Staff folks but not much from the community of ad campaign participants. If we discuss it and understand what we as a community deem constructive (vs. not) I think we'll all be able to improve the posts and reduce the tension.

For me, a constructive post needs to:

1) Push the discussion further. This could be through offering additional insight or facts or by asking relevant questions that haven't been asked yet. (E.g., even easy questions to ask but appropriate for the discussion are constructive b/c there are a lot of newer forum members here, they have a right to learn (as much as we did when we were new))

2) Come across positively, attitude comes into play, being argumentative doesn't help any discussion (be it at the bar or over coffee or on this forum) so a positive, friendly attitude is also important to making the post constructive.

3) Not repeat what people who posted earlier have said, a lot of posters poach an easy newbie question to answer so they just reply quick without reading through to see if the question has been answered, this is a key indicator of post count boosting rather than reading and contributing to a thread.

I look forward to reading this discussion and I'd also welcome any feedback on my recent posts!

That is really a great explanation, lol
Thanks That is what exactly we are looking for..



Comparison:
shulio  #20, 19, 17, 16, 15, 12, 4 and 3
Harry Hood  #2, 4, 5, 9, 15, 18, and 20

lol, he made a few posts today. Now pretty confusing to know. (I will check the time of the post to get the real data)


Cheers
ndnhc

[Harry Hood]

Ndnhc, thanks for starting this discussion. It concerns me that a lot of very senior people on this forum feel the quality of the forum has declined due to the ad campaign posters. Additionally, I'm thrilled that ad campaigns exist so I (and others) can participate in the bitcoin community without having the money to buy bitcoin but through service, work. It's important for us as ad campaign participants to take responsibility for our work, presence, and impact with the forum. We can make change to improve ad campaigns or we can ignore change and watch ad campaigns get abolished.

Thanks to Ndnhc for taking a lead on fixing the issues and tension, particularly since he/she leads/admins a major ad campaign.

[shulio]

That is really a great explanation, lol
Thanks That is what exactly we are looking for..


Comparison:
shulio  #20, 19, 17, 16, 15, 12, 4 and 3
Harry Hood  #2, 4, 5, 9, 15, 18, and 20

lol, he made a few posts today. Now pretty confusing to know. (I will check the time of the post to get the real data)


Cheers
ndnhc

that is what I said, the meaning of constructive post can be different to each one another, since there is no actual definition of it , one person opinion about a post could be different, he could be thinking his post was constructive enough while the others dont see it to be constructive

[erikalui]

Ndnhc, thanks for starting this discussion. It concerns me that a lot of very senior people on this forum feel the quality of the forum has declined due to the ad campaign posters. Additionally, I'm thrilled that ad campaigns exist so I (and others) can participate in the bitcoin community without having the money to buy bitcoin but through service, work. It's important for us as ad campaign participants to take responsibility for our work, presence, and impact with the forum. We can make change to improve ad campaigns or we can ignore change and watch ad campaigns get abolished.

Thanks to Ndnhc for taking a lead on fixing the issues and tension, particularly since he/she leads/admins a major ad campaign.

Yeah I must say that ndnhc has taken the correct step here. People should not merely post for their post count and pay rate to be increased but should gain information and share their information on this forum. This way the forum also would benefit and the campaigns too 

[Snipe85]

I have already complained about this last week and I will again because I've seen a comment that it's bad to write "one liners". What is a one liner? I have a big screen and can fit over 35 words in a single line, so most of my posts are one liners. Short posts can be constructive, so either you as the manager will read every single post and decide if it is relevant to the topic, or just choose the easy way and pick a minimum number of characters or words (like Bitmixer does) and we'll try to comply.

[Hazir]

I have already complained about this last week and I will again because I've seen a comment that it's bad to write "one liners". What is a one liner? I have a big screen and can fit over 35 words in a single line, so most of my posts are one liners. Short posts can be constructive, so either you as the manager will read every single post and decide if it is relevant to the topic, or just choose the easy way and pick a minimum number of characters or words (like Bitmixer does) and we'll try to comply.

I think that short sentences can be brilliant and genius sometimes. Lets not judge posts by their length. After all some of the best quotes in history are just 'one liners'.

Example, quote by Satoshi Nakamoto from Feb. 14, 2010:

"I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large (bitcoin) transaction volume or no volume."

By your standard ndnhc would you consider this post a spam and useless if it was post written by one of the users enrolled in DaDice campaign?

[shulio]

I have already complained about this last week and I will again because I've seen a comment that it's bad to write "one liners". What is a one liner? I have a big screen and can fit over 35 words in a single line, so most of my posts are one liners. Short posts can be constructive, so either you as the manager will read every single post and decide if it is relevant to the topic, or just choose the easy way and pick a minimum number of characters or words (like Bitmixer does) and we'll try to comply.

indeed short post can be constructive, i believe ndnhc wont be excluding your post just because only it is a one liner post

example of non constructive oneliner according to me is this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=956738.msg10760136#msg10760136

how I see this being non constructive

because either that post is in the topic or not in the topic, it doesnt contribute anything

[sgk]

Edit: Would also like any suggestions on including and excluding boards.

I would like to suggest any local boards should be INCLUDED as fas as the language is English.

For example you'll see some quality discussion going on in Indian forum which is all in English and appeals global audience.

[Hazir]

Edit: Would also like any suggestions on including and excluding boards.

I would like to suggest any local boards should be INCLUDED as fas as the language is English.

For example you'll see some quality discussion going on in Indian forum which is all in English and appeals global audience.

Would it not be unfair to the other ethnic group and users of different language than english? It will make users from India more privileged than rest of us.
I wouldn't be able to write in my local board but Indian users will? I only post in english so I don't have problem with that but others may think that it is unfair.