Vaping CBD (Cannabidiol) for cancer patient

[Puppet]

My mother is terminally ill with lung cancer. She is getting pain killers (morphine based patches since today), but I was wondering if anyone here has experience vaping CDB (Cannabidiol) in an electronic cigarette?

The goal, obviously, is not to get her 'high', its to reduce her pain and anxiety, which is why I like the idea of vaping CDB without the THC. It would also help if it created some food craving, like a regular joint often does, because she is not eating well at all.

I noticed you can buy CDB based eliquids, apparently even ~legally, but I have no idea if the those concentrations are high enough to do anything, or if its just a marketing gimmick. Also, Im a moderately experienced vaper myself, but have no idea if I need a special atomizer for this, I heard it was very thick ?

Any pointers would be appreciated, doctors here are not well versed in this yet.

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[cooldgamer]

The dosage in those juices is extremely low, there's no way you could vape enough to get worthwhile effects even if you're sub-ohming it.  It would take like 10ml for a reasonable amount.  Not to mention the majority of the sites that have it seem like scams

Edit: you may be able to mix some of this in juice (haven't tried the site, use at your own risk).  Would be better off with an oil vape like Vod recommended for that though.  But if you're going for stealth, it's worth a shot

[Vod]

I don't know how good an electronic cigarette will be with oil.

Your best bet is something like the Ascent by Da Vinci.  It is made to process the oil and clean easy.

http://www.davincivaporizer.com/ascent-vaporizer-by-davinci/

What country are you in?

[(oYo)]

I don't know anything about vaping, but it wasn't long ago I saw a video about a strain called 'Charlotte's Web', which was specifically bred by the Stanley brothers to be high in CBD and low in THC. (Charlotte's Web was named after, Charlotte Figi, a young girl who suffered from Dravet Syndrome, a severe form of epilepsy)

Here's the video I saw. CNN documentary on Charlotte's Web, medical marijuana treating seizure disorders

Here's an article about Stanley Brothers Social Enterprises. http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/techknow/blog/2014/3/7/touring-the-marijuanafacilitygrowingplantstosavechildrenslives.html

Here is a transcript of an interview 'TechKnow' had with them. ('Edited for length and clarity.') http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/techknow/blog/2014/3/4/the-chemical-brotherscoloradofamilymakesgoodinmedicalpotbusiness.html

Jesse and Joel Stanley, along with three of their brothers, began growing marijuana as a family business in 2008, when Colorado passed its medical-marijuana law. With a focus on cancer treatment and pain management, the Stanley brothers now own greenhouses, dispensaries and labs across the state. They also started Realm of Caring, a nonprofit aimed at educating the public about medicinal marijuana and increasing access for patients across the country.

Hope this helps. Best wishes to your mom and your family.

[Puppet]

The dosage in those juices is extremely low, there's no way you could vape enough to get worthwhile effects even if you're sub-ohming it.  It would take like 10ml for a reasonable amount.  Not to mention the majority of the sites that have it seem like scams

the legal limit in the EU appears to be 4% CDB

http://www.zamnesia.com/359-cbd-oil

I have no idea what concentrations would be required to have an effect without 24/7 chain vaping?

Edit: you may be able to mix some of this in juice (haven't tried the site, use at your own risk).  Would be better off with an oil vape like Vod recommended for that though.  But if you're going for stealth, it's worth a shot

Arent they all "oil"s ? I mean, the base components of eliquids are PG or VG, derived from from animal or vegital oils and they appear oily to me.

[MisO69]

My mother is terminally ill with lung cancer. She is getting pain killers (morphine based patches since today), but I was wondering if anyone here has experience vaping CDB (Cannabidiol) in an electronic cigarette?

The goal, obviously, is not to get her 'high', its to reduce her pain and anxiety, which is why I like the idea of vaping CDB without the THC. It would also help if it created some food craving, like a regular joint often does, because she is not eating well at all.

I noticed you can buy CDB based eliquids, apparently even ~legally, but I have no idea if the those concentrations are high enough to do anything, or if its just a marketing gimmick. Also, Im a moderately experienced vaper myself, but have no idea if I need a special atomizer for this, I heard it was very thick ?

Any pointers would be appreciated, doctors here are not well versed in this yet.

Vaping is okay but I don't think it will help much. She needs to start ingesting cannabis oil in small doses and work her way up to 1gm/day or more. After 3 months the cancer should be gone or well on its way. Oh, and she will be high.

If it were my mother I would just plant some seeds in her garden and then make my own oil. That could take about 4 to 5 months. If time is crucial you can get cannabis oil from the dark markets on Tor.

The Oil is typically sold in syringes. The syringes are used to inject the oil into gel capsules that are then swallowed. This way you can regulate your doses. Start small, like a grain of rice sized dose, and work your way up over the course of a month.

The science behind cannabanoids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=like1CuG4dA

Rick Simpson is the guy that discovered/re-discovered this cure. If you do some Google searches you'll find a plethora of information.

[Puppet]

After 3 months the cancer should be gone or well on its way.

There is no curing from this kind of cancer. In fact, depending how the chemo will work, its unlikely she will live another 3 months.

Oh, and she will be high

As mentioned, getting high is not something I want to put her through. Not because Im morally opposed to it or anything, but while it can be great if you are generally feeling well, if you are nervous/depressed/or you know, dying,  there is a high risk of making that a lot worse. I understand the hallucinogenic effect depends to a large degree on the ratio of CBD/THC, so I want to avoid THC as much as I can.

If it were my mother I would just plant some seeds in her garden and then make my own oil. That could take about 4 to 5 months. If time is crucial you can get cannabis oil from the dark markets on Tor.

and you're likely to get very high THC contents there, and relatively low CBD levels. I could probably get medical grade oils in the Netherlands, but can you just vape that stuff or mix it in some eliquid?

The Oil is typically sold in syringes. The syringes are used to inject the oil into gel capsules that are then swallowed. This way you can regulate your doses. Start small, like a grain of rice sized dose, and work your way up over the course of a month.

Vaping it would deliver it pretty much directly where its needed, while giving an even easier way to dose it. Im no MD, but that kinda makes more sense to me. But if I cant find any hard info, I may try just capsules.

If you do some Google searches you'll find a plethora of information.

Ill watch that docu later, but the problem with google searches; if you search for free energy devices or faked moonlandings, you also find a "plethora" of information. But finding something more or less authoritative on this subject seems hard. Or even first hand experience.  Anyway, I asked my neighbor, who is a MD and an internist and has been doing double duty as our family doctor. She is looking in to it. But its kinda ironic to think she could supply me with opiates like morphine and cocaine, but probably not with cannabis derivatives.

[Puppet]

My friend has lung cancer.  He was diagnosed last June. Since then he has been taking rick simpson oil everyday. His last check up a few weeks ago the doctors told him that the cancer had stopped growing and or he hadnt gotten any worse. His energy massively increased and quality of life increased once he started eating the oil daily.

a  (temporary) pause in apparent growth is a very far cry from curing. With chemo (and/or radio) therapy, its usually possible to significantly reduce the tumor size, but even that is no cure, it will always come back. I dont know what they told you, but Im sorry to say lung cancer is a death sentence, and especially if its already spread like in my mom's case. Depending on the exact type and stage, the prognosis ranges from a few month untreated to a few years with heavy chemo/radio.

As for that oil: I am more than willing to believe hemp or cannabis extracts can be very useful, heck thats why Im looking in to vaping it, it appears it may even help fighting the tumor, some clinical trials suggests it actually does that to some extend,  but that "rick simpson oil" sounds a lot like snake oil to me and if your friend or you think its an actual cure, you are probably being deceived. Reminds me of my aunt who had breast cancer, and her somewhat gullible children spent fortunes on 'alternative' treatments. I remember her sitting under some buzzing electrified metal mesh that seemed to be little else than an electric fly trap, except that it costed 1000's of euro's and obviously did absolutely nothing, not even to flies.

Now Im not saying cannabis derivatives are exactly like that, unlike the fly trap, there is evidence it can help, certainly for the symptoms, and maybe/sometimes help fight the root cause,  but its not a silver bullet and I would never dismiss the entirety of medical research in favor of some heresay testimonials on the internet from people who might have gotten lucky or misdiagnosed. If you go by the latter, than praying or a pilgrimage to Lourdes should also be considered.

Also, chemo is the wrong way to deal with this situation, especialy if you expect the oil to work.

Some of the research on CDB and THC I read suggest that aside from the positive effects on pain and mood,  it could be particularly useful in combination with chemo, because it sometimes enhances the effect of chemo. But there is a lot of conflicting evidence. As for chemo being the "wrong way", chemo in general is pretty nasty, even if the type my mother will be given has only limited side effects, and for sure at some point you have to wonder if the cure isnt worse than the disease, but unfortunately its about the only known way that really does work to some extend. How much and at what cost, we'll have to find out. Only when we've seen the results can I judge if its the "wrong way" for her, and if possibly gaining a (miserable) year is a worthwhile tradeoff at her age.

[Vod]

One thing I should mention is that cannabis oil is a processed drug.  That means (at least in Canada) getting caught with it can cost you a decade in prison.   

That's the reason I've never experimented with it.

[Brooker]

My mother is terminally ill with lung cancer. She is getting pain killers (morphine based patches since today), but I was wondering if anyone here has experience vaping CDB (Cannabidiol) in an electronic cigarette?

The goal, obviously, is not to get her 'high', its to reduce her pain and anxiety, which is why I like the idea of vaping CDB without the THC. It would also help if it created some food craving, like a regular joint often does, because she is not eating well at all.

Is not having the 'high' absolutely essential? If I had terminal cancer I think I'd like to spend my last days as high as possible. I think the high will also contribute to reducing pain and anxiety as well as helping you eat. You could also consider edibles if you don't want to smoke or vape it.

As mentioned, getting high is not something I want to put her through. Not because Im morally opposed to it or anything, but while it can be great if you are generally feeling well, if you are nervous/depressed/or you know, dying,  there is a high risk of making that a lot worse. I understand the hallucinogenic effect depends to a large degree on the ratio of CBD/THC, so I want to avoid THC as much as I can.

Have you had experience with cannabis yourself? I suppose it all depends on the person but I don't think it would make a person worse in this case. If you fear it might though just experiment one time and see what happens. If you're with her when she tries it for the first time the worst that can happen is she'll just have to bear it for a few hours but I think the results will be positive or at least bring her some relief and it is worth trying.

[Puppet]

Yeah I have smoked cannabis when I was a student a few decades ago. It certainly was fun then, well, most of the time, but the experience of getting high is very different if you are stressed/in pain/anxious. What you call "high" could very well feel as extremely low. Think of it as a mood amplifier.  Also, from what I hear these days (non medical) cannabis tends to be far stronger in THC then what I smoked.

One thing I should mention is that cannabis oil is a processed drug.  That means (at least in Canada) getting caught with it can cost you a decade in prison.   

Id like to see them try jailing a terminally ill 78 year old for using pain relief. Not gonna happen. Besides, we do have laws against drugs, but they are fortunately not that insane. I might see the stuff confiscated, possibly a small fine, but if I can show its for medical use, Im quite certain they wont do anything.

[Puppet]

BTW, on a dutch forum someone pointed me to this:
http://e-sigaretwinkel.com/eliquid-cbd/ambrosia-20-cbd

20% CBD. Im considering trying that in some metal tank. Just a shame it has a relatively high % of nicotine. My mother hasnt smoked in like 25 years, seems silly to get her hooked on nicotine again now. Not that that would be what would kill her of course, but meh..

[nsimmons]

@puppet,

Thats some attitude you have there pal. It seems you arn't really looking for solutions. When i say chemo is the wrong path im not making that up. Chemo fucked up my friend and even shrank his ear drums. This was for his throat cancer that chemo destroyed, however the cost was his body and mind. The theory behind chemo is kill your body and the cancer and hopefully the body comes back.

This is not the theory, quit being stupid. Get an education and learn from peer reviewed sources, test claims with experiment, not pseudoscience crackpot websites with no oversight.

Im sorry about your mother, however, rick simpson oil does cure cancer. Why you wish to attempt to kill your mother and her cancer with the hope that maybe her body can recover from the radiation is a ludicrous position to me.

Rso has been proven to kill cancer, period. Read from rick simpsons webpage.

Again to be clear i am talking about the oil. Stop including mumbo jumbo nonsese machines in the argument. Do what you will of course, but you asked if anyone had experience with cannabis and lung cancer. Im watching someone fight it first hand. And from what i see, it is extemely beneficial.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irony

Dope isn't going to stop run away cell division from random DNA transcription errors, as much as you pot heads would like to think so. Chemo has side effects, all medications do.

[Puppet]

Rso has been proven to kill cancer, period. Read from rick simpsons webpage.

So some guy on the internet (who wants me to buy his book) says his stuff cures cancer. What does that sound like to you? You can call it an "attitude", I call it common sense to take claims like that with a tablespoon of salt. Yeah, I do prefer to get my information from various health professionals who have been studying this disease and searching for potential cures for decades, in a controlled, scientific way.  And without trying to sell me their book.

Now like I said, I want her to try CBD,  so obviously I dont discard the benefits of cannabidiol, and neither does any health professional. The effects have been studied for decades and continue to be studied, its been legalized in many countries because it does help (help, not cure), but if it really was a silver bullet like you seem to think, dont you think someone would have won a Nobel price for finding "the cure for cancer" by now ?

Again to be clear i am talking about the oil. Stop including mumbo jumbo nonsese machines in the argument.

Right, lets stick to snake 'rick simpson' oil.

Do what you will of course, but you asked if anyone had experience with cannabis and lung cancer. Im watching someone fight it first hand. And from what i see, it is extemely beneficial.

I said I wasnt looking for medical advice, I meant it. Im looking for info how to most easily (preferably, since I live close to the netherlards,  legally) acquire it and convenient ways to deliver it to her.

But dont worry, you will get your wish, my mother is not likely to continue chemo for long, even before her first treatment she's deteriorating so fast, she's pretty much giving up. So we may yet find out if CDB alone will cause a miracle. If she lives a year from now, Ill go to Lourdes, on foot, wearing a Rick Simpson t-shirt.

[Puppet]

This is nothing new. For instance, in the netherlands you have http://www.stichtingmediwiet.nl/
its in dutch, use google translate. Its an organisation that provides high concentration cannabidiol oils (indeed, for ingestion) to patients. They have been doing it since 1993, they even mention your hero (and partially debunk his approach) http://www.stichtingmediwiet.nl/info/onverdunde-wietolie-en-kanker/

and guess what, they dont claim its a miracle cure, they say it can often help, particularly in combination with chemo; because it reinforces the effect of the chemo, as also evidenced in several clinical studies. You'd think that if all or even most of their cancer patients had been cured or survived for the past 20 years, someone would have noticed, no?

[Vod]

Id like to see them try jailing a terminally ill 78 year old for using pain relief. Not gonna happen. Besides, we do have laws against drugs, but they are fortunately not that insane. I might see the stuff confiscated, possibly a small fine, but if I can show its for medical use, Im quite certain they wont do anything.

My concern wasn't with your terminally ill mother taking it (so sorry about that btw) but the delivery of the drugs to her.   

Cops are blindly concerned about enforcing the law - they are very uncaring.

[painfreehempoil]

I will suggest to use cbd oil for cancer.Its well know and effective for cancer you can try it once.Hope it will be helpful for your mother.

[Puppet]

Not gonna help her anymore, she passed away last June; 6 months after being given the diagnose and a 6 month life expectancy.
I also have to say there was never a need for CBD;  she only underwent one chemo treatment before we decided it wasnt worth it (side effects where to severe on her intestines which where affected by the cancer too) , but  she was never in pain, the morphine patches worked just fine and 5 of her last 6 month where still worth living and even the last month was pain free.

Thats not to say CBD cant be of use for other cancer patients, Im sure it can be very helpful for some. For those, based on what I read since posting this thread,  the way to go is not e-liquids, but devices that vaporize cannabis directly, like these:
https://quitsmokingcommunity.org/vaporizers/top-portable-vaporizers

then use medical grade pot.

[justgoogleit]

My mother is terminally ill with lung cancer. She is getting pain killers (morphine based patches since today), but I was wondering if anyone here has experience vaping CDB (Cannabidiol) in an electronic cigarette?

The goal, obviously, is not to get her 'high', its to reduce her pain and anxiety, which is why I like the idea of vaping CDB without the THC. It would also help if it created some food craving, like a regular joint often does, because she is not eating well at all.

I noticed you can buy CDB based eliquids, apparently even ~legally, but I have no idea if the those concentrations are high enough to do anything, or if its just a marketing gimmick. Also, Im a moderately experienced vaper myself, but have no idea if I need a special atomizer for this, I heard it was very thick ?

Any pointers would be appreciated, doctors here are not well versed in this yet.

If you are looking for vape oil then the strongest on the market may be found here - http://highdosecbd.com/cbd-crystals/

It's organic, non-gmo, vegan, whole plant based spagyric extract, and ready to vape as soon as you receive it.

You won't get her high although she will get almost instant pain relief... you may also combine the vaping with the CBD capsules they offer as they are the highest dose you will find and have worked wonders for others... everyone is different but vaping is the quickest relief.

Hope that helps Oh and just a normal vape pen that you can add the vape oil to will work just fine!

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