[SOLVED]Tomatocage - You are a nice person

[FuckIdolPlus]

Listen, I'm not selling bogus anything, the user ABitNut thinks it is illegal to sell these keys and thus he told you that my keys are not legit. He hasn't even dealt with me at all. This guy thinks selling MSDN key is a scam. He is going after everyone who is selling MSDN keys.
Please read carefully before adding feedback to me.
Adding me feedback without any knowledge of the matter is totally wrong. Please remove it.

Thanks for understanding my side too.

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[Tomatocage]

Well, ok since you said "please" 

[FuckIdolPlus]

Well, ok since you said "please" 

Thank god you got it I'm really happy right now.

[pureelite]

Listen, I'm not selling bogus anything, the user ABitNut thinks it is illegal to sell these keys and thus he told you that my keys are not legit. He hasn't even dealt with me at all. This guy thinks selling MSDN key is a scam. He is going after everyone who is selling MSDN keys.
Please read carefully before adding feedback to me.
Adding me feedback without any knowledge of the matter is totally wrong. Please remove it.

Thanks for understanding my side too.

please edit the subject,you still say that he is a dickhead
after he solved your problem

[ABitNut]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

[FuckIdolPlus]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

[Vod]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

[FuckIdolPlus]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

[Rawted]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Once again, because you seem to have a comprehension problem, this is illegal to do. No one gives a crap about these forums, they hold no authoritative power. You will face serious federal charges and a software piracy suit from Microsoft if caught (and you will be caught).

[FuckIdolPlus]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Once again, because you seem to have a comprehension problem, this is illegal to do. No one gives a crap about these forums, they hold no authoritative power. You will face serious federal charges and a software piracy suit from Microsoft if caught (and you will be caught).

I'll see to it. Hopefully all will go well Thanks for all your concerns. I really need money that's why I'm doing all this. Will probably stop soon.

[TECSHARE]

I think the neighborhood scambusters are confusing a violation of a contractual agreement with criminal activity. What the OP is doing is NOT criminal activity, however he is potentially liable under a lawsuit from Microsoft for not obeying the terms of his agreement with them. Please learn the difference before you go around enforcing Microsoft contract law for them.

[Vod]

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Send me the links, and I'll leave them negative feedback.   As a certified network engineer for Microsoft, I have a vested financial interest in that company.

[antonioserrano72]

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Send me the links, and I'll leave them negative feedback.   As a certified network engineer for Microsoft, I have a vested financial interest in that company.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Send me the links, and I'll leave them negative feedback.   As a certified network engineer for Microsoft, I have a vested financial interest in that company.

here's just a small list, whether or not u give them neg feedback is up to u but i can agree that even if the sellers' intention is good, there is still high risk for the buyers in the off chance the keys get revoked/invalidated by microsoft, which has indeed happened in the past with msdn sellers

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997346.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998852.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960730.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=801840.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998125.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=971637.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995703.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=993681.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927762.0

im only assuming these guys r selling msdn based keys because of the cheap price and same selection of keys

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

note: i personlly dont buy these keys, nor do i have anything against them but i feel like things should be fair

[Vod]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

[FuckIdolPlus]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

They never blacklist any key, heck they even are giving out Windows 10 to every pirate in China. What do you think? You are confusing a scam and a grey area activity. please consider it.

[TECSHARE]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

They never blacklist any key, heck they even are giving out Windows 10 to every pirate in China. What do you think? You are confusing a scam and a grey area activity. please consider it.

He doesn't give a shit. Anything he can do to up his self proclaimed "scam buster" cred he will do. This way next time he gets out of line he can cry about all the "services" like this he does for the community.

[Fiiasco]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

They never blacklist any key, heck they even are giving out Windows 10 to every pirate in China. What do you think? You are confusing a scam and a grey area activity. please consider it.

He doesn't give a shit. Anything he can do to up his self proclaimed "scam buster" cred he will do. This way next time he gets out of line he can cry about all the "services" like this he does for the community.

Aren't you "busting" your so called scams here as well?

[TECSHARE]

Aren't you "busting" your so called scams here as well?

You mean the handful of negative ratings I left that are almost exclusively for people that I was directly involved with? I am not sure how you can compare that with the page after page after page of negative ratings VOD hands out like candy. Nice try at a character attack. No gold star today though.

I would also like to point out how this thread demonstrates the MILES of difference between an actual scambuster like Tomatocage and a self proclaimed "scambuster" like VOD.

Tomatocage:
-Requires some substantiated evidence of guilt
-Reviews situations carefully before leaving ratings
-Is always willing to discuss his left ratings with anyone willing to have a civil discussion with him
-Is willing to remove unjustified ratings
-Does not abuse his position to settle petty personal disputes and vendettas

VOD:
-Only needs suspicion to leave a negative rating
-Does not care enough to even read through the threads of those involved before making conclusions
-Treats users like his subjects demanding they wait 1 month before even discussing his rating with a user
-Almost never removes unjustified ratings and will leave them just so he does not have to admit he was wrong to begin with
-Regularly abuses his position on the default trust to settle his petty personal disputes and vendettas

[Fiiasco]

Aren't you "busting" your so called scams here as well?

You mean the handful of negative ratings I left that are almost exclusively for people that I was directly involved with? I am not sure how you can compare that with the page after page after page of negative ratings VOD hands out like candy. Nice try at a character attack. No gold star today though.

I would also like to point out how this thread demonstrates the MILES of difference between an actual scambuster like Tomatocage and a self proclaimed "scambuster" like VOD.

Tomatocage:
-Requires some substantiated evidence of guilt
-Reviews situations carefully before leaving ratings
-Is always willing to discuss his left ratings with anyone willing to have a civil discussion with him
-Is willing to remove unjustified ratings
-Does not abuse his position to settle petty personal disputes and vendettas

VOD:
-Only needs suspicion to leave a negative rating
-Does not care enough to even read through the threads of those involved before making conclusions
-Treats users like his subjects demanding they wait 1 month before even discussing his rating with a user
-Almost never removes unjustified ratings and will leave them just so he does not have to admit he was wrong to begin with
-Regularly abuses his position on the default trust to settle his petty personal disputes and vendettas

Right. I understand. I'm not trying to argue with you so you shouldn't think that I'm trying to attack you. And, I no scam-buster

After you listed those out though, I have one doubt - why did tomatocage trust Vod?

[TECSHARE]

Right. I understand. I'm not trying to argue with you so you shouldn't think that I'm trying to attack you. And, I no scam-buster

After you listed those out though, I have one doubt - why did tomatocage trust Vod?

You would have to ask him. I would assume that it was done before VOD started regularly exhibiting this systematic abusive behavior. Leaving a rating for him does not implicitly imply that he trusts him either. Tomatocage left me a trust rating as well, that doesn't mean he trusts me but he is simply (in my case) vouching for my activity here before the trust system was implemented.

[Fiiasco]

Right. I understand. I'm not trying to argue with you so you shouldn't think that I'm trying to attack you. And, I no scam-buster

After you listed those out though, I have one doubt - why did tomatocage trust Vod?

You would have to ask him. I would assume that it was done before VOD started regularly exhibiting this systematic abusive behavior. Leaving a rating for him does not implicitly imply that he trusts him either. Tomatocage left me a trust rating as well, that doesn't mean he trusts me but he is simply (in my case) vouching for my activity here before the trust system was implemented.

Ok. Are you doing this because you have a tilde before your name on the default trust?

[TECSHARE]

Ok. Are you doing this because you have a tilde before your name on the default trust?

There you go again "not attacking" me but magically once again trying to make it about me personally.

VOD has abused the trust system against me personally in the past in an attempt to extort me into silence about his abusive behavior. I am a firsthand witness to his harassment. In my opinion he should not have the authority of the default trust list because he demonstrates he is willing to abuse it over and over again for little to no reason. That is why I am "doing this". ( I know putting words together in a sentence is hard, clearly I must have strong motivations for it)

[Fiiasco]

Ok. Are you doing this because you have a tilde before your name on the default trust?

There you go again "not attacking" me but magically once again trying to make it about me personally.

VOD has abused the trust system against me personally in the past in an attempt to extort me into silence about his abusive behavior. I am a firsthand witness to his harassment. In my opinion he should not have the authority of the default trust list because he demonstrates he is willing to abuse it over and over again for little to no reason. That is why I am "doing this". ( I know putting words together in a sentence is hard, clearly I must have strong motivations for it)

1. Again, I had no intentions to do that. I'm just unaware of what's happening with the trust system and want to know.
2. I see he left a neutral feedback instead of a negative on your account. Weird.

[Vod]

2. I see he left a neutral feedback instead of a negative on your account. Weird.

You know what?   That is weird.  I have corrected it. 

[FuckIdolPlus]

2. I see he left a neutral feedback instead of a negative on your account. Weird.

You know what?   That is weird.  I have corrected it. 

You must be removed from the default trust.. No maybe kicked into peter griffin's urinary meatus.

[Rawted]

I think the neighborhood scambusters are confusing a violation of a contractual agreement with criminal activity. What the OP is doing is NOT criminal activity, however he is potentially liable under a lawsuit from Microsoft for not obeying the terms of his agreement with them. Please learn the difference before you go around enforcing Microsoft contract law for them.

Don't be so obtuse. He is stealing from the college, plain and simple. It's also a violation of Federal Anti-Piracy laws.

[TECSHARE]

I think the neighborhood scambusters are confusing a violation of a contractual agreement with criminal activity. What the OP is doing is NOT criminal activity, however he is potentially liable under a lawsuit from Microsoft for not obeying the terms of his agreement with them. Please learn the difference before you go around enforcing Microsoft contract law for them.

Don't be so obtuse. He is stealing from the college, plain and simple. It's also a violation of Federal Anti-Piracy laws.

Ok. A couple things...
1. Educational versions of software are not paid for by colleges, they are discounts offered from the manufacturer. No one is stealing from colleges.

2. It is NOT a violation of any law. Wost case it is a violation of contract law by breaking the TOS agreement with Microsoft which makes it a CIVIL matter NOT a criminal matter. If you are SO ASSURED that selling legally obtained registration keys is illegal, you should not have any trouble citing the statute under which such activities are deemed a criminal act. So far no one has actually referenced a law that applies to this.

[ABitNut]

I think the neighborhood scambusters are confusing a violation of a contractual agreement with criminal activity. What the OP is doing is NOT criminal activity, however he is potentially liable under a lawsuit from Microsoft for not obeying the terms of his agreement with them. Please learn the difference before you go around enforcing Microsoft contract law for them.

Don't be so obtuse. He is stealing from the college, plain and simple. It's also a violation of Federal Anti-Piracy laws.

Ok. A couple things...
1. Educational versions of software are not paid for by colleges, they are discounts offered from the manufacturer. No one is stealing from colleges.

2. It is NOT a violation of any law. Wost case it is a violation of contract law by breaking the TOS agreement with Microsoft which makes it a CIVIL matter NOT a criminal matter. If you are SO ASSURED that selling legally obtained registration keys is illegal, you should not have any trouble citing the statute under which such activities are deemed a criminal act. So far no one has actually referenced a law that applies to this.

Like I said in another thread, I am unsure if the act of selling those keys is criminal in a specific jurisdiction. But enabling software piracy is illegal in many jurisdictions. Bryan Thomas Black can - among many others, I'm sure - attest to that.

Sellers are liable. Buyers are liable.

[TECSHARE]

Like I said in another thread, I am unsure if the act of selling those keys is criminal in a specific jurisdiction. But enabling software piracy is illegal in many jurisdictions. Bryan Thomas Black can - among many others, I'm sure - attest to that.

Sellers are liable. Buyers are liable.

Many jusrisdictions does not equal EVERY jurisdiction globally. Who are you to deprive people of these keys in a place where it is not a crimial act? As far as "enabling" piracy being a criminal offense, that is a bit of a stretch. I challenge you to actually produce some form of statutory law that demonstrates the criminality of "enabling piracy", and I don't mean judicial interpretations of non laws in order to railroad high profile marked people either.

[ABitNut]

Like I said in another thread, I am unsure if the act of selling those keys is criminal in a specific jurisdiction. But enabling software piracy is illegal in many jurisdictions. Bryan Thomas Black can - among many others, I'm sure - attest to that.

Sellers are liable. Buyers are liable.

Many jusrisdictions does not equal EVERY jurisdiction globally. Who are you to deprive people of these keys in a place where it is not a crimial act? As far as "enabling" piracy being a criminal offense, that is a bit of a stretch. I challenge you to actually produce some form of statutory law that demonstrates the criminality of "enabling piracy", and I don't mean judicial interpretations of non laws in order to railroad high profile marked people either.

Bryan Thomas Black

[TECSHARE]

Like I said in another thread, I am unsure if the act of selling those keys is criminal in a specific jurisdiction. But enabling software piracy is illegal in many jurisdictions. Bryan Thomas Black can - among many others, I'm sure - attest to that.

Sellers are liable. Buyers are liable.

Many jusrisdictions does not equal EVERY jurisdiction globally. Who are you to deprive people of these keys in a place where it is not a crimial act? As far as "enabling" piracy being a criminal offense, that is a bit of a stretch. I challenge you to actually produce some form of statutory law that demonstrates the criminality of "enabling piracy", and I don't mean judicial interpretations of non laws in order to railroad high profile marked people either.

Bryan Thomas Black

That is not a statute.

[ABitNut]

Like I said in another thread, I am unsure if the act of selling those keys is criminal in a specific jurisdiction. But enabling software piracy is illegal in many jurisdictions. Bryan Thomas Black can - among many others, I'm sure - attest to that.

Sellers are liable. Buyers are liable.

Many jusrisdictions does not equal EVERY jurisdiction globally. Who are you to deprive people of these keys in a place where it is not a crimial act? As far as "enabling" piracy being a criminal offense, that is a bit of a stretch. I challenge you to actually produce some form of statutory law that demonstrates the criminality of "enabling piracy", and I don't mean judicial interpretations of non laws in order to railroad high profile marked people either.

Bryan Thomas Black

That is not a statute.

I am sorry, I am not a lawyer. If you think the middle men get of easy then that's fine with me. To anyone believing you who ends up sued in court.... Good luck. Luck probably won't help much at that point anymore though.

[Rawted]

I think the neighborhood scambusters are confusing a violation of a contractual agreement with criminal activity. What the OP is doing is NOT criminal activity, however he is potentially liable under a lawsuit from Microsoft for not obeying the terms of his agreement with them. Please learn the difference before you go around enforcing Microsoft contract law for them.

Don't be so obtuse. He is stealing from the college, plain and simple. It's also a violation of Federal Anti-Piracy laws.

Ok. A couple things...
1. Educational versions of software are not paid for by colleges, they are discounts offered from the manufacturer. No one is stealing from colleges.

2. It is NOT a violation of any law. Wost case it is a violation of contract law by breaking the TOS agreement with Microsoft which makes it a CIVIL matter NOT a criminal matter. If you are SO ASSURED that selling legally obtained registration keys is illegal, you should not have any trouble citing the statute under which such activities are deemed a criminal act. So far no one has actually referenced a law that applies to this.

1. You're completely incorrect. This is the college's MSDN account. They pay for a limited amount of keys for a limited amount of products. I have a personal MSDN account, and also manage one for my employer.

2. It's theft.

Why do you seem to always stick up for the scammers? Very odd behavior.

[TECSHARE]

1. You're completely incorrect. This is the college's MSDN account. They pay for a limited amount of keys for a limited amount of products. I have a personal MSDN account, and also manage one for my employer.

2. It's theft.

Why do you seem to always stick up for the scammers? Very odd behavior.

You mentioned you have a personal MSDN account. How exactly do you know these users don't have their own and that they paid the fee themselves? Just assuming that they stole them from colleges is not appropriate.

What scammers do I always seem to stick up for? I guess I am a stickler for people having a fair debate and not just summary execution of neckbeard mob justice at any speculation posted. This behavior is also destructive to legitimate sellers that get harassed and drives people away from Bitcoin.

[Rawted]

1. You're completely incorrect. This is the college's MSDN account. They pay for a limited amount of keys for a limited amount of products. I have a personal MSDN account, and also manage one for my employer.

2. It's theft.

Why do you seem to always stick up for the scammers? Very odd behavior.

You mentioned you have a personal MSDN account. How exactly do you know these users don't have their own and that they paid the fee themselves? Just assuming that they stole them from colleges is not appropriate.

What scammers do I always seem to stick up for? I guess I am a stickler for people having a fair debate and not just summary execution of neckbeard mob justice at any speculation posted. This behavior is also destructive to legitimate sellers that get harassed and drives people away from Bitcoin.

The user posted in one of his other threads that it was his college's MSDN account.

While I totally understand and support your mentality towards mob justice, I think it's misguided at times. You're going out of your way to defend this user, who is wrong and a thief, and you did the same recently for the guy who claimed to hand carve those wooden items. It's not that you're just supporting them, it's that you go over the top to support them, for seemingly no reason (which leads people to deduce that you are in cahoots). Heck, you stand up for them more than they do themselves, as people like the wood artist guy STILL hasn't produced the verification that he hand carves the items to this day. Perhaps you don't realize what it looks like to outsiders.