[SOLVED]Tomatocage - You are a nice person

[FuckIdolPlus]

Listen, I'm not selling bogus anything, the user ABitNut thinks it is illegal to sell these keys and thus he told you that my keys are not legit. He hasn't even dealt with me at all. This guy thinks selling MSDN key is a scam. He is going after everyone who is selling MSDN keys.
Please read carefully before adding feedback to me.
Adding me feedback without any knowledge of the matter is totally wrong. Please remove it.

Thanks for understanding my side too.

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[Tomatocage]

Well, ok since you said "please" 

[FuckIdolPlus]

Well, ok since you said "please" 

Thank god you got it I'm really happy right now.

[pureelite]

Listen, I'm not selling bogus anything, the user ABitNut thinks it is illegal to sell these keys and thus he told you that my keys are not legit. He hasn't even dealt with me at all. This guy thinks selling MSDN key is a scam. He is going after everyone who is selling MSDN keys.
Please read carefully before adding feedback to me.
Adding me feedback without any knowledge of the matter is totally wrong. Please remove it.

Thanks for understanding my side too.

please edit the subject,you still say that he is a dickhead
after he solved your problem

[ABitNut]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

[FuckIdolPlus]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

[Vod]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

[FuckIdolPlus]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

[Rawted]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Once again, because you seem to have a comprehension problem, this is illegal to do. No one gives a crap about these forums, they hold no authoritative power. You will face serious federal charges and a software piracy suit from Microsoft if caught (and you will be caught).

[FuckIdolPlus]

For the record, selling keys from a MSDN account is not allowed.

Also you might want to remove the negative feedback you rashly left on Tomatocage. Leaving it there while he has been more than accommodating to you is kind of a dick move.

Already removed -_-
Also no one is asking you to buy So mind your own business kiddo

Well, I assume you will stop selling MSDN keys immediately or face negative feedback, since selling them is against the rules.  Your move.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Once again, because you seem to have a comprehension problem, this is illegal to do. No one gives a crap about these forums, they hold no authoritative power. You will face serious federal charges and a software piracy suit from Microsoft if caught (and you will be caught).

I'll see to it. Hopefully all will go well Thanks for all your concerns. I really need money that's why I'm doing all this. Will probably stop soon.

[TECSHARE]

I think the neighborhood scambusters are confusing a violation of a contractual agreement with criminal activity. What the OP is doing is NOT criminal activity, however he is potentially liable under a lawsuit from Microsoft for not obeying the terms of his agreement with them. Please learn the difference before you go around enforcing Microsoft contract law for them.

[Vod]

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Send me the links, and I'll leave them negative feedback.   As a certified network engineer for Microsoft, I have a vested financial interest in that company.

[antonioserrano72]

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Send me the links, and I'll leave them negative feedback.   As a certified network engineer for Microsoft, I have a vested financial interest in that company.

Check out the marketplace, 60% sellers sell MSDN. There is no rule against selling MSDN on the forums that I know off Being legendary doesn't mean you are the God at the forums. At least give us a chance.

Send me the links, and I'll leave them negative feedback.   As a certified network engineer for Microsoft, I have a vested financial interest in that company.

here's just a small list, whether or not u give them neg feedback is up to u but i can agree that even if the sellers' intention is good, there is still high risk for the buyers in the off chance the keys get revoked/invalidated by microsoft, which has indeed happened in the past with msdn sellers

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=997346.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998852.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960730.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=801840.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=998125.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=971637.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=995703.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=993681.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927762.0

im only assuming these guys r selling msdn based keys because of the cheap price and same selection of keys

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

note: i personlly dont buy these keys, nor do i have anything against them but i feel like things should be fair

[Vod]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

[FuckIdolPlus]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

They never blacklist any key, heck they even are giving out Windows 10 to every pirate in China. What do you think? You are confusing a scam and a grey area activity. please consider it.

[TECSHARE]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

They never blacklist any key, heck they even are giving out Windows 10 to every pirate in China. What do you think? You are confusing a scam and a grey area activity. please consider it.

He doesn't give a shit. Anything he can do to up his self proclaimed "scam buster" cred he will do. This way next time he gets out of line he can cry about all the "services" like this he does for the community.

[Fiiasco]

but if ur giving neg trust to OP for selling the same thing (legit or not) then shouldnt all of these sellers of msdn keys also receive negative?

Absolutely they should.  

What you (and everyone else) may not realize is that these are scams.

It only takes one person to complain to Microsoft, even if that person purchased a key just to complain.

Microsoft can determine which MSDN account was used to generate the key, and they can then disable all the keys generated on that account.  Also, once the MSDN subscription (stolen/hacked) expires, all the keys generated from that account will be disabled automatically.  Do you think the thief will renew the expensive MSDN subscription?

The person that sold you the key will NOT give you a refund.  You have paid money for something useless - you have been scammed.  The person selling you the account probably bought/hacked the MSDN account so they are not out any money - just you.

They never blacklist any key, heck they even are giving out Windows 10 to every pirate in China. What do you think? You are confusing a scam and a grey area activity. please consider it.

He doesn't give a shit. Anything he can do to up his self proclaimed "scam buster" cred he will do. This way next time he gets out of line he can cry about all the "services" like this he does for the community.

Aren't you "busting" your so called scams here as well?

[TECSHARE]

Aren't you "busting" your so called scams here as well?

You mean the handful of negative ratings I left that are almost exclusively for people that I was directly involved with? I am not sure how you can compare that with the page after page after page of negative ratings VOD hands out like candy. Nice try at a character attack. No gold star today though.

I would also like to point out how this thread demonstrates the MILES of difference between an actual scambuster like Tomatocage and a self proclaimed "scambuster" like VOD.

Tomatocage:
-Requires some substantiated evidence of guilt
-Reviews situations carefully before leaving ratings
-Is always willing to discuss his left ratings with anyone willing to have a civil discussion with him
-Is willing to remove unjustified ratings
-Does not abuse his position to settle petty personal disputes and vendettas

VOD:
-Only needs suspicion to leave a negative rating
-Does not care enough to even read through the threads of those involved before making conclusions
-Treats users like his subjects demanding they wait 1 month before even discussing his rating with a user
-Almost never removes unjustified ratings and will leave them just so he does not have to admit he was wrong to begin with
-Regularly abuses his position on the default trust to settle his petty personal disputes and vendettas

[Fiiasco]

Aren't you "busting" your so called scams here as well?

You mean the handful of negative ratings I left that are almost exclusively for people that I was directly involved with? I am not sure how you can compare that with the page after page after page of negative ratings VOD hands out like candy. Nice try at a character attack. No gold star today though.

I would also like to point out how this thread demonstrates the MILES of difference between an actual scambuster like Tomatocage and a self proclaimed "scambuster" like VOD.

Tomatocage:
-Requires some substantiated evidence of guilt
-Reviews situations carefully before leaving ratings
-Is always willing to discuss his left ratings with anyone willing to have a civil discussion with him
-Is willing to remove unjustified ratings
-Does not abuse his position to settle petty personal disputes and vendettas

VOD:
-Only needs suspicion to leave a negative rating
-Does not care enough to even read through the threads of those involved before making conclusions
-Treats users like his subjects demanding they wait 1 month before even discussing his rating with a user
-Almost never removes unjustified ratings and will leave them just so he does not have to admit he was wrong to begin with
-Regularly abuses his position on the default trust to settle his petty personal disputes and vendettas

Right. I understand. I'm not trying to argue with you so you shouldn't think that I'm trying to attack you. And, I no scam-buster

After you listed those out though, I have one doubt - why did tomatocage trust Vod?

[TECSHARE]

Right. I understand. I'm not trying to argue with you so you shouldn't think that I'm trying to attack you. And, I no scam-buster

After you listed those out though, I have one doubt - why did tomatocage trust Vod?

You would have to ask him. I would assume that it was done before VOD started regularly exhibiting this systematic abusive behavior. Leaving a rating for him does not implicitly imply that he trusts him either. Tomatocage left me a trust rating as well, that doesn't mean he trusts me but he is simply (in my case) vouching for my activity here before the trust system was implemented.