Why the Monero-Dark wars ??

[GTO911]

I am surprised at how people are constantly fighting each other and comparing both of them

1. Monero cannot be compared to Dark.

2. Monero is the coin which is actually a competitor to Bitcoin. Its not just a dumb anon coin. It is this -

Code:

(1) It uses a different elliptic curve than Bitcoin for signing (EdDSA, which uses Schnorr signatures on a Twisted Edwards curve).
(2) It uses a different hashing algorithm than Bitcoin for PoW, which is AES heavy and currently performs similarly on GPUs and CPUs. One of the main downsides to this is that sidechains are currently impossible (validation takes too long), however as sidechains don't actually exist right now we've been ignoring this. If we want to add sidechain support in the future, the hashing algorithm can be change to something simple. In the meantime, the algorithm is relatively "egalitarian" in that no specialized hardware is required.
(3) One time use addresses ("stealth addressing") is mandatory for all transactions. This makes light clients very difficult to secure or create in general, but it dramatically enhances privacy because it's impossible to ever reuse an address.
(4) All transactions are denominated in base 10, and fractionated by mantissa.
(5) Ring signatures obfuscate spending of outputs by allowing you to do a 1-of-N input for a transaction where you spend funds from Bob OR Alice OR Michael OR Claire OR et cetera. Like one time use addresses, this is a passive privacy technology that doesn't require any active participation of anyone in the network (unlike DarkCoin, CoinJoin, and so on).
(6) A single pair of private keys is used for the recovery of all outputs owned by a wallet, but with a different type of data structure than BIP32 has (viewkey/secretkey).
(7) An implicit, silent multisig implementation centered around Schnorr signatures is being researched and developed (thanks andytoshi/gmaxwell).
(8) Research is ongoing into ways to break our privacy technology and improve it. See: https://lab.monero.cc/
(9) Monero is readily auditable from a regulatory perspective (you can easily prove your ownership of funds if you need to, for example to tax agencies).
(10) It has a much faster emissions (subsidy/reward) curve than Bitcoin. 80% is mined within 4 years. The emissions curve is also much smoother than for Bitcoin, with reward decreasing every block.
(11) Unlike Bitcoin, Monero will have long term perpetual inflation. Subsidy will become fixed in about 10 years time at a flat rate of less than 1%, to keep the chain from becoming fully deflationary and to better incentivize miners. This makes it more likely to be useful as a currency than Bitcoin

4. Darkcoin was just a bitcoin clone with coinjoin added to it. You can use coinjoin with bitcoin. Darkcoin is a coin in the league of shitcoins like Blackcoin Whitecoin etc

5. Monero is brand new technology that is not even fully developed yet, how can anyone compare it to a Bitcoin cloned coin?

6. Monero even wasnt compatible with any pool software, new pool software was coded for it. It was not compatible with any exchange, so new exchange software was coded for it.

It is spanking new technology, how can you compare it to 7 year old Bitcoin based code?

[KingCaper]

I'm surprised by how many threads people think need to be dedicated to the exact same discussion (or to just promoting Monero). 

[NeuroticFish]

I'm surprised by how many threads people think need to be dedicated to the exact same discussion (or to just promoting Monero). 

Actually all the threads related to anonymity seem to end up as a war between DRK marketing and XMR marketing.
So please don't talk only about "promoting monero", because only in this thread already 2 posts are anti-monero or plainly pro-DRK. It seems that DRK marketing team is.. bigger.

[iCEBREAKER]

Why the "wars?"

Here's what happened:

1) Monero and Dark supporters mostly ignore each other.

2) Dark's Dictator-For-Life suddenly attempts to buy the rights to another Cryptonote coin called Dash, in order to rebrand and shed DRK's reputation as an instamined scam coin for criminals.

3) Many Darkcoiners are upset at being victims of this bait-and-switch fraud, and drama ensues.

4) Amused by the chaos and controversy, Moneroans chime in to the discussion.

5) Feeling picked on in a moment of vulnerablity, Dark-cum-dash-coiners go absolutely mental and fly into a frothy rage.

6) Moneroans laugh at and make fun of at their immaturity and insecurity.

7) Dark-cum-dash-coiners respond to this mockery by closing ranks into a parnoid cult-like formation and use Scientology's 'attack-the-attacker' strategy to seek revenge.

Moneroans enjoy more lulz at the expense of the poor suffering Dark-cum-dash-coiners, who now find themselves being asked uncomfortable questions about obfuscation, instamining, Masternode backdoors, autocratic rebranding, insufficient grounds for trademark grants, and their Bus Factor of one.

9) Dark-cum-dash-coiners grow tired of lavishing attention on visiting posters they have ostensibly ignored and complain this forum "isn't fun" anymore, expressing a desire to take their ball and go home to pout in some obscure venue created exclusively for their groupthink.

10) Moneroans enjoy more lulz.

[BootstrapCoinDev]

It's all about discussion between anonymity (XMR) and something seeming to be increased privacy (DRK). People might not know that they value anonymity instead of privacy, but if they walked into a drug store to buy itch cream with a $10 bill and the cashier asked for their, name, number, SSN, etc. they might realize that they had previously been putting a value on the privacy (not anonymity) of cash without recognizing it as such.

[J1mb0]

Why the "wars?"

Here's what happened:

10) Moneroans enjoy more lulz.

It must be marvellous being a member of the, almost divine, top crowd and holding the top coin.

You see, Moneroans are as perfect as their coin. Unique, individual, honest, indispensable and madly desirable.

I marvel at their self-control as they look down at normal people, holding normal coins and contain their urge to despise us.

[iCEBREAKER]

Why the "wars?"

Here's what happened:

10) Moneroans enjoy more lulz.

It must be marvellous being a member of the, almost divine, top crowd and holding the top coin.

You see, Moneroans are as perfect as their coin. Unique, individual, honest, indispensable and madly desirable.

I marvel at their self-control as they look down at normal people, holding normal coins and contain their urge to despise us.

Maybe you missed the threads (and old signature) where I endorsed as legitimate all the coins which are innovative, 100% PoW, FOSS, and not pre/insta-mined.

It just so happens Monero is the only one of these coins (besides BTC/LTC and possibly XPM) that enjoys a bus factor > 1 and is thus not just One Dude's hobbyist project.

Are being intentionally dishonest, or just plain stupid, when you conflate with idolizing XMR my derision of DARSH's questionable technology and (re)branding?

[smooth]

J1mb0 is one of the Bytecoin shill accounts. He couldn't care less about darkcoin/dash vs. Monero except in so far as anything that attacks Monero is viewed as good for them because they harbor this fantasy that Bytecoin is going to rise from the ashes so they can dump their 100 billion or so fraudulently premined coins for some real money.

[Jeff8247]

So let me get this right, you ask why the Monero/Dark wars? You then you proceed to tell us how good monero is. This whole thread is just LOL.

Well done GTO911 you just went full retard....

[illodin]

Because being associated with the other is always more beneficial to the one that is smaller.

[futureofbitcoin]

So let me get this right, you ask why the Monero/Dark wars? You then you proceed to tell us how good monero is. This whole thread is just LOL.

Well done GTO911 you just went full retard....

Being more of a monero fan, I agree. Why are you fueling the "war", OP? Let time decide which anon coin succeeds, if any, or perhaps both will do equally well. There's no need to attack either coin.

[Shrikez]

I am surprised at how people are constantly fighting each other and comparing both of them

-snip-

Can you please let it go? I am starting to think you actually are an inverse troll.
You certainly are doing the XMR community a disservice with your plethora of topics.

[iCEBREAKER]

Why the "wars?"

Here's what happened:

1) Monero and Dark supporters mostly ignore each other.

2) Dark's Dictator-For-Life suddenly attempts to buy the rights to another Cryptonote coin called Dash, in order to rebrand and shed DRK's reputation as an instamined scam coin for criminals.

3) Many Darkcoiners are upset at being victims of this bait-and-switch fraud, and drama ensues.

4) Amused by the chaos and controversy, Moneroans chime in to the discussion.

5) Feeling picked on in a moment of vulnerablity, Dark-cum-dash-coiners go absolutely mental and fly into a frothy rage.

6) Moneroans laugh at and make fun of at their immaturity and insecurity.

7) Dark-cum-dash-coiners respond to this mockery by closing ranks into a parnoid cult-like formation and use Scientology's 'attack-the-attacker' strategy to seek revenge.

Moneroans enjoy more lulz at the expense of the poor suffering Dark-cum-dash-coiners, who now find themselves being asked uncomfortable questions about obfuscation, instamining, Masternode backdoors, autocratic rebranding, insufficient grounds for trademark grants, and their Bus Factor of one.

9) Dark-cum-dash-coiners grow tired of lavishing attention on visiting posters they have ostensibly ignored and complain this forum "isn't fun" anymore, expressing a desire to take their ball and go home to pout in some obscure venue created exclusively for their groupthink.

10) Moneroans enjoy more lulz.

11) 2/3 of Darkcoin core devs are fired or quit.  Vertoe returns to confirm DASH is Digital Trash:

darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity.

this currency is lead by a single person.

darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid.

fuck this i tell you.

darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing.

the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous.

you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

12) GOTO 10

[stonehedge]

You've spent this much time trolling Dark/Dash and you don't know how many devs there are?   

[choochimil]

The alts with the biggest communities?

[e-coinomist]

Thank heavens Satoshi wasn't a single person. And had volunteers.

[tokeweed]

I'm surprised by how many threads people think need to be dedicated to the exact same discussion (or to just promoting Monero). 

Seems to be working though...

[tokeweed]

Why the "wars?"

Here's what happened:

1) Monero and Dark supporters mostly ignore each other.

2) Dark's Dictator-For-Life suddenly attempts to buy the rights to another Cryptonote coin called Dash, in order to rebrand and shed DRK's reputation as an instamined scam coin for criminals.

3) Many Darkcoiners are upset at being victims of this bait-and-switch fraud, and drama ensues.

4) Amused by the chaos and controversy, Moneroans chime in to the discussion.

5) Feeling picked on in a moment of vulnerablity, Dark-cum-dash-coiners go absolutely mental and fly into a frothy rage.

6) Moneroans laugh at and make fun of at their immaturity and insecurity.

7) Dark-cum-dash-coiners respond to this mockery by closing ranks into a parnoid cult-like formation and use Scientology's 'attack-the-attacker' strategy to seek revenge.

Moneroans enjoy more lulz at the expense of the poor suffering Dark-cum-dash-coiners, who now find themselves being asked uncomfortable questions about obfuscation, instamining, Masternode backdoors, autocratic rebranding, insufficient grounds for trademark grants, and their Bus Factor of one.

9) Dark-cum-dash-coiners grow tired of lavishing attention on visiting posters they have ostensibly ignored and complain this forum "isn't fun" anymore, expressing a desire to take their ball and go home to pout in some obscure venue created exclusively for their groupthink.

10) Moneroans enjoy more lulz.

11) 2/3 of Darkcoin core devs are fired or quit.  Vertoe returns to confirm DASH is Digital Trash:

darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity.

this currency is lead by a single person.

darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid.

fuck this i tell you.

darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing.

the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous.

you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

12) GOTO 10

Where can we view such entertainment?

[qvan]

Why the "wars?"

Here's what happened:

1) Monero and Dark supporters mostly ignore each other.

2) Dark's Dictator-For-Life suddenly attempts to buy the rights to another Cryptonote coin called Dash, in order to rebrand and shed DRK's reputation as an instamined scam coin for criminals.

3) Many Darkcoiners are upset at being victims of this bait-and-switch fraud, and drama ensues.

4) Amused by the chaos and controversy, Moneroans chime in to the discussion.

5) Feeling picked on in a moment of vulnerablity, Dark-cum-dash-coiners go absolutely mental and fly into a frothy rage.

6) Moneroans laugh at and make fun of at their immaturity and insecurity.

7) Dark-cum-dash-coiners respond to this mockery by closing ranks into a parnoid cult-like formation and use Scientology's 'attack-the-attacker' strategy to seek revenge.

Moneroans enjoy more lulz at the expense of the poor suffering Dark-cum-dash-coiners, who now find themselves being asked uncomfortable questions about obfuscation, instamining, Masternode backdoors, autocratic rebranding, insufficient grounds for trademark grants, and their Bus Factor of one.

9) Dark-cum-dash-coiners grow tired of lavishing attention on visiting posters they have ostensibly ignored and complain this forum "isn't fun" anymore, expressing a desire to take their ball and go home to pout in some obscure venue created exclusively for their groupthink.

10) Moneroans enjoy more lulz.

11) 2/3 of Darkcoin core devs are fired or quit.  Vertoe returns to confirm DASH is Digital Trash:

darkcoin or however it will be called next year is not a decentralized entity.

this currency is lead by a single person.

darkcoin is like an old conservative company with strong hierarchical comamnd structures and a single person on the top of the pyramid.

fuck this i tell you.

darkcoin is not decentralized as it still relies on a single person.

the core devs were just a bunch of volunteers exploited for the big thing.

the things going on here are fishy, intransparent and rely on a single entity.

i will get out and and will contribute to something decentralized and anonymous.

you are probably investors trying to win a gold donkey. or you are simply trying to exploit every possible vector of profit in the coins space. whatever. you are not here because darkcoin is something it claims to be.

what if evan duffield suddenly announces he quits the project tomorrow morning?

12) GOTO 10

dashcoiners joined the rumble too 

[PoS]

There is no Monero-Dark war.
Dark is a flat-out scam. Scammers will be dealt with.