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March 25, 2015, 03:47:36 PM |
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Hello Eveyone,
Beaware of this Scam site!!!
They do not allow to withdraw if you are a regular winner.
The reason why I am saying that because they allow you to make a deposit till you win and wanna make a withdraw. When you wanted to make a withdraw, they are saying that you cannot make a withdraw because you are gamling a country from that you provided on your documents( the documents that you guys provide them for withdraw).
if one of yours wanna make a withdraw one day, you will probably come across with the situation something like that and they will not make any payment to you by finding a reason. Lastly I'm pretty sure that they will call you as an scam !!!
why do you hide with new account? post this from your real account and also proof to this, if there is no proof to this , how can someone trust you? please put the proof of they dont allow withdrawal for you There is no reason to hide any account. Here is the answer they only could able to give... Players are categorically barred from using funds originating from illegal and criminal activities. Individuals residing in the USA AND ITS TERRITORIES, CARICOM TERRITORIES, BULGARIA, FRANCE AND IT’S TERRITORIES, HONG KONG, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES are prohibited from playing for real money on this site. It is the Player’s sole responsibility to check if his / her country of residence allows gambling.the underlined part is their reason...
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March 25, 2015, 03:52:18 PM |
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Hello Eveyone,
Beaware of this Scam site!!!
They do not allow to withdraw if you are a regular winner.
The reason why I am saying that because they allow you to make a deposit till you win and wanna make a withdraw. When you wanted to make a withdraw, they are saying that you cannot make a withdraw because you are gamling a country from that you provided on your documents( the documents that you guys provide them for withdraw).
if one of yours wanna make a withdraw one day, you will probably come across with the situation something like that and they will not make any payment to you by finding a reason. Lastly I'm pretty sure that they will call you as an scam !!!
why do you hide with new account? post this from your real account and also proof to this, if there is no proof to this , how can someone trust you? please put the proof of they dont allow withdrawal for you There is no reason to hide any account. Here is the answer they only could able to give... Players are categorically barred from using funds originating from illegal and criminal activities. Individuals residing in the USA AND ITS TERRITORIES, CARICOM TERRITORIES, BULGARIA, FRANCE AND IT’S TERRITORIES, HONG KONG, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES are prohibited from playing for real money on this site. It is the Player’s sole responsibility to check if his / her country of residence allows gambling.the underlined part is their reason... Im not from any of that country so it will be fine for me, and it is your fault if you actually resident in that country but you play on this sites again, and show some proof of they dont allow you withdraw, this could be interesting
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March 25, 2015, 03:57:48 PM Last edit: March 25, 2015, 04:12:44 PM by ac070605 |
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Hello Eveyone,
Beaware of this Scam site!!!
They do not allow to withdraw if you are a regular winner.
The reason why I am saying that because they allow you to make a deposit till you win and wanna make a withdraw. When you wanted to make a withdraw, they are saying that you cannot make a withdraw because you are gamling a country from that you provided on your documents( the documents that you guys provide them for withdraw).
if one of yours wanna make a withdraw one day, you will probably come across with the situation something like that and they will not make any payment to you by finding a reason. Lastly I'm pretty sure that they will call you as an scam !!!
why do you hide with new account? post this from your real account and also proof to this, if there is no proof to this , how can someone trust you? please put the proof of they dont allow withdrawal for you There is no reason to hide any account. Here is the answer they only could able to give... Players are categorically barred from using funds originating from illegal and criminal activities. Individuals residing in the USA AND ITS TERRITORIES, CARICOM TERRITORIES, BULGARIA, FRANCE AND IT’S TERRITORIES, HONG KONG, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES are prohibited from playing for real money on this site. It is the Player’s sole responsibility to check if his / her country of residence allows gambling.the underlined part is their reason... Im not from any of that country so it will be fine for me, and it is your fault if you actually resident in that country but you play on this sites again, and show some proof of they dont allow you withdraw, this could be interesting Can you show any proof if your account deleted and cannot reach your account? By the way I'm not from any of these countries too.
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March 25, 2015, 04:48:26 PM |
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Hello Eveyone,
Beaware of this Scam site!!!
They do not allow to withdraw if you are a regular winner.
The reason why I am saying that because they allow you to make a deposit till you win and wanna make a withdraw. When you wanted to make a withdraw, they are saying that you cannot make a withdraw because you are gamling a country from that you provided on your documents( the documents that you guys provide them for withdraw).
if one of yours wanna make a withdraw one day, you will probably come across with the situation something like that and they will not make any payment to you by finding a reason. Lastly I'm pretty sure that they will call you as an scam !!!
why do you hide with new account? post this from your real account and also proof to this, if there is no proof to this , how can someone trust you? please put the proof of they dont allow withdrawal for you There is no reason to hide any account. Here is the answer they only could able to give... Players are categorically barred from using funds originating from illegal and criminal activities. Individuals residing in the USA AND ITS TERRITORIES, CARICOM TERRITORIES, BULGARIA, FRANCE AND IT’S TERRITORIES, HONG KONG, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES are prohibited from playing for real money on this site. It is the Player’s sole responsibility to check if his / her country of residence allows gambling.the underlined part is their reason... Im not from any of that country so it will be fine for me, and it is your fault if you actually resident in that country but you play on this sites again, and show some proof of they dont allow you withdraw, this could be interesting Can you show any proof if your account deleted and cannot reach your account? By the way I'm not from any of these countries too. Did you receive any information from our Security team after your account had been suspended? If yes, we encourage you to share it here. Obviously, underlined part can not be reason. However, playing from restricted territory (which listed there) can be.
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March 25, 2015, 04:52:06 PM |
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Hello Eveyone,
Beaware of this Scam site!!!
They do not allow to withdraw if you are a regular winner.
The reason why I am saying that because they allow you to make a deposit till you win and wanna make a withdraw. When you wanted to make a withdraw, they are saying that you cannot make a withdraw because you are gamling a country from that you provided on your documents( the documents that you guys provide them for withdraw).
if one of yours wanna make a withdraw one day, you will probably come across with the situation something like that and they will not make any payment to you by finding a reason. Lastly I'm pretty sure that they will call you as an scam !!!
why do you hide with new account? post this from your real account and also proof to this, if there is no proof to this , how can someone trust you? please put the proof of they dont allow withdrawal for you There is no reason to hide any account. Here is the answer they only could able to give... Players are categorically barred from using funds originating from illegal and criminal activities. Individuals residing in the USA AND ITS TERRITORIES, CARICOM TERRITORIES, BULGARIA, FRANCE AND IT’S TERRITORIES, HONG KONG, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES are prohibited from playing for real money on this site. It is the Player’s sole responsibility to check if his / her country of residence allows gambling.the underlined part is their reason... Im not from any of that country so it will be fine for me, and it is your fault if you actually resident in that country but you play on this sites again, and show some proof of they dont allow you withdraw, this could be interesting Can you show any proof if your account deleted and cannot reach your account? By the way I'm not from any of these countries too. Did you receive any information from our Security team after your account had been suspended? If yes, we encourage you to share it here. Obviously, underlined part can not be reason. However, playing from restricted territory (which listed there) can be. from what I see from your site, your site need document verification, you can block the user if they are from that country, why do you let them play first and hold their withdrawal if they are from that country? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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March 25, 2015, 04:55:52 PM |
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Hello Eveyone,
Beaware of this Scam site!!!
They do not allow to withdraw if you are a regular winner.
The reason why I am saying that because they allow you to make a deposit till you win and wanna make a withdraw. When you wanted to make a withdraw, they are saying that you cannot make a withdraw because you are gamling a country from that you provided on your documents( the documents that you guys provide them for withdraw).
if one of yours wanna make a withdraw one day, you will probably come across with the situation something like that and they will not make any payment to you by finding a reason. Lastly I'm pretty sure that they will call you as an scam !!!
why do you hide with new account? post this from your real account and also proof to this, if there is no proof to this , how can someone trust you? please put the proof of they dont allow withdrawal for you There is no reason to hide any account. Here is the answer they only could able to give... Players are categorically barred from using funds originating from illegal and criminal activities. Individuals residing in the USA AND ITS TERRITORIES, CARICOM TERRITORIES, BULGARIA, FRANCE AND IT’S TERRITORIES, HONG KONG, NETHERLANDS ANTILLES are prohibited from playing for real money on this site. It is the Player’s sole responsibility to check if his / her country of residence allows gambling.the underlined part is their reason... Im not from any of that country so it will be fine for me, and it is your fault if you actually resident in that country but you play on this sites again, and show some proof of they dont allow you withdraw, this could be interesting Can you show any proof if your account deleted and cannot reach your account? By the way I'm not from any of these countries too. Did you receive any information from our Security team after your account had been suspended? If yes, we encourage you to share it here. Obviously, underlined part can not be reason. However, playing from restricted territory (which listed there) can be. Be honest and send his money but you are closed his account with his money. Because You are scammer betkuruş.
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March 25, 2015, 04:57:32 PM |
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Did you receive any information from our Security team after your account had been suspended? If yes, we encourage you to share it here.
Obviously, underlined part can not be reason. However, playing from restricted territory (which listed there) can be.
You can able to see it on some turkish forums. People are talking on there. There is no reason for me to talk with you who is answering messages impolitely.
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March 25, 2015, 06:25:22 PM |
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Did you receive any information from our Security team after your account had been suspended? If yes, we encourage you to share it here.
Obviously, underlined part can not be reason. However, playing from restricted territory (which listed there) can be.
You can able to see it on some turkish forums. People are talking on there. There is no reason for me to talk with you who is answering messages impolitely.
Please accept our sincere apologies if any of our Turkish speaking colleagues answered you impolitely! Our QA team will take care of him. However, I think you have to share the actual reason for your account suspension (as stated in an email sent to you). Otherwise, it will look like you joined BitcoinTalk with the sole intention to manipulate people here.
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March 25, 2015, 06:39:00 PM Last edit: March 26, 2015, 10:30:25 AM by jackringer |
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Go to Hell betkurus. Dont cheat people. We know You in Turkish betting Forum at Bahisklavuz.com..Also You told him that you never get your money back.Turkish Costumers know how you are crook.I just want to say you fuck off.You are not allow to provide Turkish players who resident in Turkey cause of Turkish Online Gambling Laws. But your %90 costumers from Turkey..Also you never informed him before making deposit about which countries restricted.I know this from turkish betting forum. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FuIUD8Nz.png&t=665&c=ysUrJDeYLi1Pgg) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FweIr04L.png&t=665&c=8IWjUd6RCEp0Tw) This is published at bahisklavuz.com/vbulletin turkish betting forum ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfwNsQON.png&t=665&c=kJVgzA6K1Xi_9g)
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March 25, 2015, 09:11:22 PM |
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Betkurus is right about this situation. The user violated their TOS. It's users own fault deposit BTC without reading TOS.
Betkurus should pay back deposited BTC. Even the user violated TOS, they can't hold his funds.
End of story.
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March 26, 2015, 08:05:02 AM |
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Betkurus is right about this situation. The user violated their TOS. It's users own fault deposit BTC without reading TOS.
Betkurus should pay back deposited BTC. Even the user violated TOS, they can't hold his funds.
End of story.
Did you check this OP's first line? What does it say? "We invite everyone in world". When someone win a lot money they say; "Sorry dude, we wrote that in TOS very small, you can't play with us because you're from X". That's why those shitters are SOB and scammer garbage. They have to pay the customers winning.
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Betkurus is right about this situation. The user violated their TOS. It's users own fault deposit BTC without reading TOS.
Betkurus should pay back deposited BTC. Even the user violated TOS, they can't hold his funds.
End of story.
Not really a sole fault from the user, since there is a verification before someone can play at betkurus, I think betkurus should block the person, the moment they see that the person is from the country that violated their TOS, but To withhold all balance is indeed in the TOS if a user violated it, so they got a point, but still betkurus is responsible as well
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Did you check this OP's first line? What does it say?
"We invite everyone in world". When someone win a lot money they say; "Sorry dude, we wrote that in TOS very small, you can't play with us because you're from X".
That's why those shitters are SOB and scammer garbage. They have to pay the customers winning. Not really a sole fault from the user, since there is a verification before someone can play at betkurus, I think betkurus should block the person, the moment they see that the person is from the country that violated their TOS, but To withhold all balance is indeed in the TOS if a user violated it, so they got a point, but still betkurus is responsible as well You are right about that. Both parties share fault. Betkurus should pay back only deposited money and ban user from their site. They should be more careful next time. They can put a bigger warning about banned countries.
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You are right about that. Both parties share fault. Betkurus should pay back only deposited money and ban user from their site. They should be more careful next time. They can put a bigger warning about banned countries.
Not really a sole fault from the user, since there is a verification before someone can play at betkurus, I think betkurus should block the person, the moment they see that the person is from the country that violated their TOS, but To withhold all balance is indeed in the TOS if a user violated it, so they got a point, but still betkurus is responsible as well
Hey guys, we really appreciate your opinions. However, there are customers who provide documents proving their residence in white listed country but actually they live and play (using proxies/VPNs) from black listed countries. We will continue to show zero tolerance to these customers. Betkurus is committed to sustainability of bitcoin gaming. We are here to stay and will not undermine this industry.
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Hey guys, we really appreciate your opinions. However, there are customers who provide documents proving their residence in white listed country but actually they live and play (using proxies/VPNs) from black listed countries. We will continue to show zero tolerance to these customers.
Betkurus is committed to sustainability of bitcoin gaming. We are here to stay and will not undermine this industry.
Wait, are you telling that they provide fake documents? If that's the case you are right. But if it's real documents then what's the problem here? You are ok with KYC rules, so you shouldn't ban them for using proxies. How do you know they live in blacklisted countries when they already provide you real documents in whitelisted country? Your message brought more confusion here. Please enlighten us.
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Hey guys, we really appreciate your opinions. However, there are customers who provide documents proving their residence in white listed country but actually they live and play (using proxies/VPNs) from black listed countries. We will continue to show zero tolerance to these customers.
Betkurus is committed to sustainability of bitcoin gaming. We are here to stay and will not undermine this industry.
Wait, are you telling that they provide fake documents? If that's the case you are right. But if it's real documents then what's the problem here? You are ok with KYC rules, so you shouldn't ban them for using proxies. How do you know they live in blacklisted countries when they already provide you real documents in whitelisted country? Your message brought more confusion here. Please enlighten us. It is part of responsibilities of our Security Team to detect customers using/trying to use our services from restricted locations. Okay, I will enlighten you .... point of consumption is important. If it is in blacklisted country, customer will have his account closed and all winnings from his activity there seized. How our Security team reveals point of consumption is something I will not comment here. Just wanted to share one main principle in law - Ignorantia legis neminem excusat. It is customer's responsibility to read carefully our Terms&Conditions.
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March 27, 2015, 06:38:28 PM |
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It is part of responsibilities of our Security Team to detect customers using/trying to use our services from restricted locations.
Okay, I will enlighten you .... point of consumption is important. If it is in blacklisted country, customer will have his account closed and all winnings from his activity there seized. How our Security team reveals point of consumption is something I will not comment here.
Just wanted to share one main principle in law - Ignorantia legis neminem excusat. It is customer's responsibility to read carefully our Terms&Conditions.
Well, in that case I wouldn't use your site and wouldn't recommend it to anybody. Why would somebody use a site when it's possible to get banned by Secret Security Team? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) There are better places to bet with Bitcoin. -without a secret security team of course- Good luck to you, you will need it. You lost a lot of potential customers in this thread with your bad marketing technique.
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March 27, 2015, 06:49:59 PM |
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It is part of responsibilities of our Security Team to detect customers using/trying to use our services from restricted locations.
Okay, I will enlighten you .... point of consumption is important. If it is in blacklisted country, customer will have his account closed and all winnings from his activity there seized. How our Security team reveals point of consumption is something I will not comment here.
Just wanted to share one main principle in law - Ignorantia legis neminem excusat. It is customer's responsibility to read carefully our Terms&Conditions.
Well, in that case I wouldn't use your site and wouldn't recommend it to anybody. Why would somebody use a site when it's possible to get banned by Secret Security Team? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) There are better places to bet with Bitcoin. -without a secret security team of course- Good luck to you, you will need it. You lost a lot of potential customers in this thread with your bad marketing technique. Me too. I will never register to your site. As i see you allow everybody to register and deposit to your site and and after somebody try to withdrawal its funds you close his account if he is from a restricted county and you keep all his funds. You should not allow deposits until the user send his documents. But of course it is free money for you if somebody going into your trap.
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Just wanted to share one main principle in law - Ignorantia legis neminem excusat. It is customer's responsibility to read carefully our Terms&Conditions.
Yes it is , I agree, but it is also your responsibility to check up each user, as each user submit a document, which of course you can verify if it is fake or real document, but in the end , after the user won, you withheld his withdrawal, I think this will be another cases if the user lost, but since he won, this issue is up to the surface since you blocked his withdrawal
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Hey guys, it's your choice where to play. We never claimed Betkurus is perfect. We claim Betkurus is world's most advanced bitcoin sportsbook. We offer broader range of bets than all bitcoin sportsbooks. Thank to our 7.5% reload bonus (without additional rollover requiements) our customers receive best value.
@sbrzol, we allow registrations worldwide as customers can play for free on many of our casino games. However, it is not our fault if any customer hasn't read T&C or intentionally breached them. And last but not least ... please remember: Ignorantia legis neminem excusat!
@Karartma1, so called "Secret Security Team" works with publicly available rules - Terms&Conditions published on Betkurus.com.
It is so simple. Customers must comply with our Terms of service.
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