Corruption and prejudgment of the moderator Xandry

[stahanovec]

Hi folks!

Xandry (moderator of russian section and member of DT1/DT2 trustnet) left a negative feedback where is blamed me that I sells my account based on topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555901.0) which was created 4 years ago! What a nonsense?

I want to remind there were no ICO, no bounty, no account sells, even no Xandry on this forum back in the day.

Such topic was created as joke to our forum opponents who wanted our departure from the forum. Yes we had many flames and forum was live in those days! All that is written there has nothing to do with sales and business at all.

As for Xandry person, we were against his appointment as moderator: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=961364.190

We believe that he's not an objective moderator who uses his provisions to solve personal grievances. Moreover being a "merit source" he using his merit for promotion his connected accounts (e.g. "esmanthra"): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1764764

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[vphasitha01]

Xandry (moderator of russian section and member of DT1/DT2 trustnet) left a negative feedback where is blamed me that I sells my account based on topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=555901.0) which was created 4 years ago! What a nonsense?

I want to remind there were no ICO, no bounty, no account sells, even no Xandry on this forum back in the day.

Wether "Xandry" on this forum or not, wether that thread created long time ago or not, should not have any affect at all with you're being tagged. But if you're selling your account then get caught by DT member and left negative trust on you is only because of your actions, it's nothing to do with "Xandry".

As for Xandry person, we were against his appointment as moderator: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=961364.190

We believe that he's not an objective moderator who uses his provisions to solve personal grievances. Moreover being a "merit source" he using his merit for promotion his connected accounts (e.g. "esmanthra"): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1764764

I don't know wether that account you're claimed has any connection between "Xandry" or not, but when I looking the Merits received (only checked the history of last 120 days) for that member it seems like there may be some connection. Because there are 101 instances that "esmanthra" got Merited by other members while 52 instances by Xandry. When we compare the probability of "esmanthra" being merited by Xandry is 51.5% and the funny thing about is more than half (actually 30 out of 52) of Merited posts are being deleted /ignored/off- limits. That's not good stats for being a Merit source.

At the end of the day I think it's better to get a hearing from Xandry regarding these claims.

[DdmrDdmr]

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I don't know wether that account you're claimed has any connection between "Xandry" or not, but when I looking the Merits received (only checked the history of last 120 days) for that member it seems like there may be some connection. Because there are 101 instances that "esmanthra" got Merited by other members while 52 instances by Xandry. When we compare the probability of "esmanthra" being merited by Xandry is 51.5% and the funny thing about is more than half (actually 30 out of 52) of Merited posts are being deleted /ignored/off- limits. That's not good stats for being a Merit source.

At the end of the day I think it's better to get a hearing from Xandry regarding these claims.

A similar claim was treated on a topic opened a couple of months ago as can be seen here: [staff] xandry: may I ask an explanation? Response received!.
It turns out Xandry gave out merit to users that helped him clean the Russian forum by reporting, and often the posts that acted as reports were deleted after being merited for their report. That leads to multiple merits currently awarded to deleted posts. I think that after the referenced thread, Xandry dropped this line of merit awarding. There are two users that have been merited more merit by Xandry than esmanthra (Alex Sr. and inbizin), but that fact alone proves nothing really. There are staff and merit sources that have awarded more sMerit to a single user than Xandry, and I haven’t seen anyone questioning them.

I would say that if there was anything really off with Xandry’s merit awarding habits, theymos would have acted accordingly after the above referenced thread. We’ve seen no action, so I figure he’s in the clear unless someone draws something really really solid.

[arhipova]

Did you try sorting out the matter with the concerned mod ?  Sometimes there might be misunderstanding and it can be easily resolved with a pm.

Posting this on the forum without taking that step is not professional. If you had done that and then made this post, please ignore my reply. I hope you are able to sort this out.

[LoyceV]

Xandry left the feedback in March (this year). I think he was added to DT2 only recently (by hilariousandco), that's why his red trust suddenly showed up.

There have been similar cases in which someone's years-old account trading surfaced recently. Years ago, account trading wasn't punished by DT, and spam was much less of a problem on the forum. Therefore, none of the current DT-members would tag those accounts now.
Based on the same logic, you shouldn't be tagged either. I'd say discuss it with xandry, or else hilariousandco.

I don't think "corruption" is the right word here, unless someone paid him to do this.

[stahanovec]

I am NOT SELLING my account, as I explained before, since this topic had no relation to the sale at all.

This topic was created to emphasize the absurdity of the situation in the buisness section of the Russian location that occurred 4-5 years ago. As I said before this forum was way different that you know it now.

I would like the administration to objectively evaluate the actions of the moderator who use merit for promotion own connected accounts and uses its position in the trustnet for false negative feedbacks.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Xandry left the feedback in March (this year). I think he was added to DT2 only recently (by hilariousandco), that's why his red trust suddenly showed up.

Yep, I'm sure that's what happened, since I got a similar backlash from account sellers & scammers when I was added to DT.

However:

Years ago, account trading wasn't punished by DT, and spam was much less of a problem on the forum. Therefore, none of the current DT-members would tag those accounts now.
Based on the same logic, you shouldn't be tagged either.

I agree, and 2014 is way too far back to go as far as tagging account sellers.  I would imagine there's probably something else going on here, but it would be best to hear from Xandry himself about it.

[xandry]

Hey, all. Thanks for this funny thread.
I'm sure that accounts Pivo and stahanovec are sold in this (or at least in december 2017) year. And one person possessed them - to the political troll.

ok, let's start with stahanovec. Just look at his posts history:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112138;sa=showPosts

From begining to November 10, 2017 almost posts (i think it's about 99%) he was posted in Пoлитикa (Politics) section. And i never seen he in signature campaigns. About what there were his posts? Trolling of liberals and ukrainians - anyone who understanding russian can find insults and obscene expressions on any page of posts history before 10.01.2018.

Then two months of silence have followed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112138;sa=showPosts;start=320

And then he has suddenly replaced activity from political trolling to bounty: there are no more posts about policy, no more insults, even the speech became polite. Posts now in altcoins, news and of course in accounts sellers threads:
Кyплю мecтный aккayнт "LEGENDARY"
[JR. MEMBER] Пpoдaю пo пpиeмлeнным цeнaм!
Пpoдaю личный aккayнт member, 55$
Sr.member Hero member ПPOДAM AККAУHTЫ
Пpoдaю ceньopa.
Пpoдaм aккayнт Legendary.

Now, I think, this topic can be specified as reference instead of old.

Did you try sorting out the matter with the concerned mod ?  Sometimes there might be misunderstanding and it can be easily resolved with a pm.

Posting this on the forum without taking that step is not professional. If you had done that and then made this post, please ignore my reply. I hope you are able to sort this out.

Nope. He didn't even try to do it.
Same story with stahanovec previous owner -> Pivo: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=102276;sa=showPosts;start=1640
Only trolling in politics section before November 19, 2017 and from December 27, 2017 he has lost memory and doesn't know Russian language as well as something about politics any more.

Sorry for broken English. I would like to know English also well as esmanthra.

Continue? Yes! -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4817399.msg43699675#msg43699675

[suchmoon]

I am NOT SELLING my account

Can you post something with the Pivo account?

[honeycat]

I am NOT SELLING my account

Can you post something with the Pivo account?

As far as I know Pivo and Stahanovec are two different persons. They were active in mining threads and politic (after ukrainian crisis) and often acted as opponents to each other. So I would not say that they are connected accounts. I think we have some misunderstanding.

[PnP]

xandry, you are writing nonsense. The person has brought to you the argument that the topic you refer to in his trust is in no way related with business.

[xtraelv]

I think this should be in reputation rather than in Meta. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0

[mobilazy]

I thought it was explained once and for all that selling and buying accounts are not a crime here (unfortunately). Then why all these red trust issues connected to it? Looks like it only allowed to chosen ones and rest will get red trust because of it. I hate double standards even more than unfair rank up for ones who can afford to buy accounts or merits.

[PnP]

I thought it was explained once and for all that selling and buying accounts are not a crime here (unfortunately). Then why all these red trust issues connected to it? Looks like it only allowed to chosen ones and rest will get red trust because of it. I hate double standards even more than unfair rank up for ones who can afford to buy accounts or merits.

All right you say. In this case, we even have a saying in Russia: - You either take off the cross or put on your pants.

[xandry]

I thought it was explained once and for all that selling and buying accounts are not a crime here (unfortunately). Then why all these red trust issues connected to it? Looks like it only allowed to chosen ones and rest will get red trust because of it. I hate double standards even more than unfair rank up for ones who can afford to buy accounts or merits.

Elementary example:
You long time communicate with the person and you begin to trust him.

Suddenly he completely changes the personality, he doesn't remember you, but continues to claim that it he.

Will you also trust him as earlier? Will you entrust him some money if he ask? Whether you will recommend him to others as reliable person?

[xtraelv]

I thought it was explained once and for all that selling and buying accounts are not a crime here (unfortunately). Then why all these red trust issues connected to it? Looks like it only allowed to chosen ones and rest will get red trust because of it. I hate double standards even more than unfair rank up for ones who can afford to buy accounts or merits.

NOTE: This is meant to serve as a reference/educational/informational thread, NOT a rock solid list of rules.

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

Discouraged with negative trust.

[esmanthra]

selling and buying accounts are not a crime here (unfortunately). Then why all these red trust issues connected to it?

Trust is not connected to forum rules actually - it's... you know, a trust - the way to show someone if you trust him and if you recommend anybody to deal with him. If you sell accounts you don't commit a crime (otherwise you'd be banned for that), but from people's point of view your activity is questionable (as a minimum) and they don't have to approve it or rely on you - even if it was a joke. I mean we talk about moods and mindsets of different persons here and in fact it's completely up to them who they trust in and why.

[stahanovec]

Hi Xandry!

I don't know what you talking about.

Yes I was active in political topics until middle autumn of 2017 but I lost my interest to this topic due to political bots. I sent you lot of reports on their shit posts but you have not acted. Moreover I am member of signature campaigns as far as you noticed. As you know trolling and flames are forbidden for members. So what?

If necessary I am ready to provide any evidence I'm the owner of this account since 2013. What about you? Are you ready to make a public apology?

[Alex_Sr]

We believe that he's not an objective moderator who uses his provisions to solve personal grievances. Moreover being a "merit source" he using his merit for promotion his connected accounts (e.g. "esmanthra"): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1764764

You write complete nonsense about connected xandry accounts. Trying to "put it all in one basket".

If you count the number of posts written by "connected accounts" then the day xandry should be at least 72 hours.

I also have a lot of merit from xandry, but this issue has already been discussed 100500 times in our forum section and Meta section!

[stahanovec]

You write complete nonsense about connected xandry accounts. Trying to "put it all in one basket".

Nonsense? Nonsense is unfounded accusations in my address. But we can see facts that Xandy left around 50 merits to esmanthra for worthless messages. It looks like hidden promotion such account.

I also have a lot of merit from xandry, but this issue has already been discussed 100500 times in our forum section and Meta section!

I see your merited messages are worthless as esmanthra's since most of them in "(Deleted/Off-limits/Ignored)" topic. You are doing abusing the merit system in that way.