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October 07, 2012, 01:59:27 PM |
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 The thing I really want to know, is it at all possible to use any of the soon to be released ASIC devices for other another heavy processing tasks? Is it feasible? Is it theoretically possible? Could they be converted/Hacked? I know the consensus right now in NO, but there has got to be something! I'm just thinking ahead. Thoughts? (Also, pic relevant) |
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October 07, 2012, 02:03:43 PM |
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Application Specific Integrated Circuit. That's what ASIC stands for. They are made specifically for one thing in mind, Bitcoin mining.
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October 07, 2012, 02:05:32 PM |
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If the chip is removable from the device you can maybe change it for another asic with the same pin-layout so it can hash faster or use a different algorithm, but I wouldn't count on it.
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October 07, 2012, 02:23:31 PM |
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What about converting a processing problem into something that the mining ASICs could solve?
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October 07, 2012, 02:31:01 PM |
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APPLICATION SPECIFIC
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I'm just going to keep repeating "it's an Altera HardCopy" because I haven't the slightest clue what I'm talking about.
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DobZombie (OP)
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October 07, 2012, 03:30:52 PM |
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APPLICATION SPECIFIC
APPLICATION SPECIFIC
APPLICATION SPECIFIC
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Your mum was application specific too, and I was still able to get her to do other things. Ya unhelpful knob |
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ice_chill
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October 07, 2012, 03:33:53 PM |
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Woman is FPGA, can be programmed to do many tasks  |
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squeept
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October 07, 2012, 03:39:23 PM |
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APPLICATION SPECIFIC
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APPLICATION SPECIFIC
APPLICATION SPECIFIC!!!!!
Your mum was application specific too, and I was still able to get her to do other things. Ya unhelpful knob It can do double SHA256 while on your desk. It can also do double SHA256 while on a shelf. The engineers have also taken great care to make sure that it can do double SHA256 while you eat a sandwich. With enough modifications, it could serve as a doorstop or a paperweight, but I fear the warranty may be voided. |
I'm just going to keep repeating "it's an Altera HardCopy" because I haven't the slightest clue what I'm talking about.
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October 07, 2012, 03:43:07 PM |
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Theoretically by adding a flux capacitor and a delorean it could become a time machine
But in reality - it has a single purpose - crunching double sha256
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DobZombie (OP)
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October 07, 2012, 03:44:02 PM |
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I'm asking if other systems be changed to fit with the way bitcoin ASICs process things?
Do they have SoC?
Can SHA256 be used for anything else? Or can anything else use SHA256?
Squeept. Sorry for snappin at ya. just looking for ideas, info, etc.
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October 07, 2012, 03:44:59 PM |
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Woman is FPGA, can be programmed to do many tasks Not without asking nicely  |
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October 07, 2012, 03:49:05 PM |
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My understanding / educated guess of this problem would be that IF it were possible, it would require such a ridiculous amount of pre-processing on a host computer, that you might as well just be using the computer.
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October 07, 2012, 05:35:00 PM |
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I'm asking if other systems be changed to fit with the way bitcoin ASICs process things?
Do they have SoC?
Can SHA256 be used for anything else? Or can anything else use SHA256?
Squeept. Sorry for snappin at ya. just looking for ideas, info, etc.
Single SHA256 is probably useful for a number of other, uh, uses. Double SHA256 is probably not useful for much besides bitcoin mining. If they are designing these chips for maximum mining efficiency, they probably will have designed them to perform double SHA256 and nothing else. They may well have put even more of the mining logic into the ASIC, such as returning only hash results with difficulty > 1 or some other target that makes sense. |
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October 07, 2012, 06:09:10 PM |
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The answer for all intents and purposes is no, if you want a flexible device then use an FPGA.
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October 07, 2012, 10:45:39 PM |
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APPLICATION SPECIFIC
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APPLICATION SPECIFIC
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APPLICATION SPECIFIC!!!!!
Your mum was application specific too, and I was still able to get her to do other things. Ya unhelpful knob It can do double SHA256 while on your desk. It can also do double SHA256 while on a shelf. The engineers have also taken great care to make sure that it can do double SHA256 while you eat a sandwich. With enough modifications, it could serve as a doorstop or a paperweight, but I fear the warranty may be voided. I would not like them here or there. I would not like them anywhere. I do not like non-application specific tasks and mods. I do not like them ASIC I Am.  Hmm doesnt quite flow well :/ |
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October 07, 2012, 11:00:21 PM |
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Application specific means it can only be used for bitcoin mining, nothing else.
This has been said time and time again.
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October 08, 2012, 10:50:49 AM |
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Application specific means it can only be used for bitcoin mining, nothing else.
This has been said time and time again.
It depends if the application is a custom build from the ground up, or if it uses existing standards that are used by other applications. Bitcoin mining uses SHA256 processing, so it can processes SHA256 of other applications where the work is similar. However BFL locks their firmware Bitstream, and they would have to open-source it before anyone can try to do anything else with the ASIC. |
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October 08, 2012, 12:21:09 PM |
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Application specific means it can only be used for bitcoin mining, nothing else.
This has been said time and time again.
And you absolutely had to say it again. If anyone else wants to jump on and say it's impossible, don't bother. We've already heard that. Cuz I can guarantee you, if there is a powerful device out there that becomes obsolete and may be destined to sit around, SOMEBODY will figure out a way to repurpose it. I'm only interested in learning more, and getting ideas.
It depends if the application is a custom build from the ground up, or if it uses existing standards that are used by other applications.
Bitcoin mining uses SHA256 processing, so it can processes SHA256 of other applications where the work is similar.
However BFL locks their firmware Bitstream, and they would have to open-source it before anyone can try to do anything else with the ASIC.
Awesome, some useful information with a point. So what you're saying is until these devices are released, and/or the source becomes open, no one could really know. Is there anything else out there that uses DBL SHA-256? What if somebody built a tech AROUND the ASIC devices? Possible or not? |
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October 08, 2012, 12:41:20 PM |
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Is there anything else out there that uses DBL SHA-256?
Just once more for good measure: NO |
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October 08, 2012, 12:58:28 PM |
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Is there anything else out there that uses DBL SHA-256?
Just once more for good measure: NONot true, double sha-256 is actually used for many things. There is plenty of software/websites that use it to store passwords in databases, such as: http://www.clipperz.com/security_privacy/crypto_algorithms |
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