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I'd like to suggest that all faucets are announced/discussed in a sub category in the 'Service Announcement' board. A faucet isn't a service, nor does it bring anything useful to the community (any more). They are made solely for the advertisement profit, nowadays at least (hence why most faucet owners control several sites, often above 10, to earn from visitors).

Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Marketplace > Service Announcements > Faucet Announcements

How many of them are there? First page, and first 5 pages would be a pretty good indicator.

Page 1: 21 faucet threads out of 40 threads.

Pages 1 through to 5 have 61 faucet announcement (or discussion) threads out of a possible 200 threads.

That is a lot, probably is needed.

Faucets is an awful specific thing to make an entire board for. Can't really think of similar annoying services that would fit under similar criteria though.

It's pretty specific, yes, but there are so many.

And after the newbies spend hours and hours of their time trying to get "dust" from these faucets the next thing they tend to do is post in Technical Support complaining that they can't spend their dust without paying a huge fee.

So IMO the deeper you can bury them the better (I no longer bother replying to the posts for help with dust and I think even DannyHamilton is losing patience with that as the same question appears at least once per week).

These sorts of things really do not help to promote Bitcoin in any positive way at all.

You guys care too much about faucets but when it comes to ponzis and other similar scams you made an entire sub section just for it, i will never understand it.

Not sure why you quoted me in regards to the "you guys" statement as I am not a staff member nor have any influence over anything about how this forum is run (if I did I'd have got ad-sigs banned for a start).

well, ponzis might make people use a freak load of money.
faucets made a lot of people waste their time while they can do other good things. faucets isn't worth a single thought, they just uses a lot of spaces.

While we're looking at new subforums, domain subforum under auctions please? 6 on front page, 57 on first 5 pages.

+1 on this. It has been asked many times to have special subforums for domains, no one has any real interest in most of the domains listed of sale here and they only clutter up the auctions and digital goods sections. 

Oh so you saying that ponzies are worth it? Ponzies are scam, faucets are giving you free money and ponzies are just stealing your money, i dont know how anyone would think ponzies are better than faucets.

yes, they are worth the attention. because they are dangerous.
and like I said, faucets are a waste of time. they give you less than a dollar for spending your entire day solving captchas.

I seriously dont understand your logic, ponzies are worth the attention? What? Faucets give you free money, they are for new people that start using bitcoins and want some free tosee how things are going, ponzies are a scam they are illegal, yes illegal you can report ponzi models to the authorities actually so i dont see how ponzies are better than faucets or why they have their own sub forum. Its like the sub forum to post your scam.

that's the whole point of making a new sub board for them. because they are mostly (if not all) scams, and the mods will never delete possible scams.

and I'm not going to repeat this again. faucets is a waste of time, reasons above. that's logical enough to me.

Please discuss ponzis vs faucets in another thread.

This thread is to ask for a new 'faucet' board in service announcements.

Yes,we need sub forum for free bitcoins, all services like faucets, paid to click, games for free bitcoins should be in sub forum called ''free bitcoins''

My opinion.

If I can say my personal opinion, for me it isn't necessary a new dirum section only for the faucets site ( really not necessary) but the final choice is by theymos.

I totally agree that faucets are not a "service" and the whole service announcements board is messy due to all the faucet threads. I run one faucet and this idea gets my vote, move them into a separate sub-board in the announcements section.


I do disagree with the faucet knocking though, a bit elitist me thinks. Its been years since i hashed out massive power bills with my gpu mining racks......I dont bother with it anymore, but i dont blame faucet users these days as it takes much less effort to lick a faucet than build a set up that is actually profitable. Faucets serve a great purpose in the bitcoin community. They are a great starting point for those newbs that wish to kickoff their btc interest. (i dont know about peeps complaining about "dust" though) Faucets support a whole internet advertising realm based on btc, why knock this? We need to get bitcoin out there, as a legitimate currency tool, everywhere we can. I wish there was more advertising companies paying in btc. I could say more but its getting off topic, but calling faucets useless is just plain wrong.

I agree that faucet need their own subforum, but I don't agree about faucet didn't give any useful information about bitcoin. :-\
I knew how bitcoin works because faucet, so I can play with it at first. Then when I really understand about bitcoin, I joined the real world of bitcoin.

I doubt any even slightly advanced bitcoin user or a man who can simply use the basic of mathematics care about faucets. For most people faucets are just cancer on par with ponzi  schemes. Therefore I would like to ban any faucet related topics from Beginners and Help section and move every faucets related topic to their own subforum.

This idea makes the most sense to me, then it wouldn't just be a board for Faucets alone.

I also agree with this, the Auction section is insanely cluttered with people selling their domains (me included).

I agree with this idea, since there are many faucets coming up...

And it'll be better if this idea is granted ;D

Instead of a new section, which I don't think is warranted just for faucets, could they all be merged into one thread? Each faucet only allowed to post once. I just don't think it's justified to have a new section for something like faucets. Although, in it's current state, basically the majority in service announcements that may be the way to go. It wouldn't be so bad if something else could go in the new section, besides just faucets.

I know my suggestions isn't ideal either.

A single thread with all faucet announcements would be fine but I imagine that faucet owners, although scarce, won't be too happy.

I think it would be cool to have a sub section with just faucets...

It would be useful so that regular faucets can be differentiated from those investment faucets like those such btc-flow, eggminer, btc-wolf etc...

In short it would be great to have a sub forum for just faucets...

These fauces you listed here are just ponzi schemes disguised as faucets, nothing more really. And we have already section for this type of 'investment' on bitcointalk - Investor based games.
Now we need just another section for regular faucet 'services'.

Btc-flow, etc...are already differentiated since they now belong to Investor-based games board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=207.0). I may agree however a Service Announcements (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=84.0) child board dedicated to BTC faucets could be useful. A similar child board dedicated to altcoin faucets could be also added to Service Announcements (Altcoins) (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=197.0) board.

A sub section only with faucet announcement would be great. I looking for a place of valid faucets. Its hard to seperate the serious one's from all the other announcement threads.

Gotta agree with this...the service annoucment section is almost unreadable cuz of this.
Just make an faucet annoucment sub board please..

Unreadable is exactly the problem, no one can see any cool new services!

Maybe create a child board on Beginners & Help. Something like Resources.

And sticky all the useful threads that used to be on the top of the newbie board.

Yogi's terminology post would be a great example of such useful posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=126798.0

It's getting outrageous, 'new' faucets are popping up every day. I'll make a new count for the 1st and 1-5 pages.

one place for all the faucets makes sense. they are all over the "Newbies" section, which maybe makes sense more than service announcement. but if they were confined to one specific sub alone, that would erradicate their presence everywhere else. i found this in "Project Development" (!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006879.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1006879.0) i mean he talks like he's testing it, but...

Why don't to just put it on front page under Bitcoin (or Other?) section called "Faucet"?
Newcomers can easily spotted those and you can tell "Test out how bitcoin work for free" or something similiar

Because faucet doesn't look like project development for me, it just still like "Free service" to me

No, faucets are a waste of time even for brand new users. They'll be bombarded with ads and "CLAIM 10000 SATOSHI EVERY 10 MINUTES" all over the site. Better thing to do is to sign up on a Bitcoin exchange like Coinbase and have them teach you by you reading.

Yes, I know it's waste of time for brand new user who already have greater income and knowing about bitcoin mechanims.

Maybe this only apply for me? ;D
When I was new on Bitcoin & know none about trading, I already tried to buy some (At my local exchanger) and when I look at the bid table I was just like "How the hell I use this?". Reading the guide just like pain on my head.

Then I states to not spend some of my money of bitcoin, I didn't want to spend to something I don't know to use. Just like buying a car but you didn't knew how to drive. There's still a lot of people who didn't really understand how to use technology, so practice is the most successfull way.

Start from a lower first, then when you get higher, you can earn more. So back to the topic, I hope didn't block faucet ann anymore but try to make a new section about it.

btw, coinbase buy/sell isn't avaiable in my country..

Yes, faucets are a waste of time. You will have a hard time convincing someone of the fact though. Mainly because all they see is "free moneyz" and do not understand that dust inputs are a pain in the arse.

It's that mean taking free samples on the mall/shop are waste of time too?
After taking free samples, somehow you'll interested buying the real product ;)

It's okay, I already know faucet are waste of time, Also I didn't force you to use it.

No, I don't think it is a waste of time because the prime approach to bitcoin and especially to get some satoshi is by the faucets. When "the newbie" will learn more about bitcoin he can stop to use faucet and start to buy btc or gain them, by providing a service.

love or hate faucets. Having them moved to their own sub-board is a great idea. Lets clean up the ANN mess.

I agree with this, having them removed wouldn't be fair since they're directly connected to bitcoin but it's a mess to keep them with other topics.

Maybe create a child board in the newbie section as I've suggested.

But this free sample behaves completely different. When I get 100k satoshi from a faucet and have to pay 10k satoshi to spend it, my concept of bitcoin might be: wow thats neat, but those fees are extremely high.

Sure no one forces anyone to use faucets. I used them myself as a newbie even though more knowledgeable members explained how much of a waste of time they are. I said: well I sit in front of computer anyway, I can just click this faucet every X minutes and get some free coins. In the end though I stopped, because it turned out just reading(!) here was more profitable for me because I actually learned something.


Just imagine a Newbie would instead of buying a coffee one day, buy bitcoin for 3-5€/$/etc. worth. Just for testing. They would get a weeks/months worth of faucet grind in bitcoins and have a way more pleasant experience. Yes, faucets give you free coins, but the only person thats profiting is those running the faucets.

Is there any changes on your though about Bitcoin before and after using faucet other than wasting time?
After getting payment, maybe something like this:
- "I see how transaction works now.."
- "Ohh! There's transaction fees on transaction"
- etc?

Because you only learn there's something profitable other than faucet, and forgotting the other (Unless you already understand Bitcoin before).

Have you read my previous message?

I even introduced Bitcoin to my friends, but most of them just replies me with "Why don't just use money? I don't know how to use Bitcoin.." even after I'm giving them a guide. A written guide!

Back on topic please.

This thread is discussion the move of faucets from service announcements to their own sub board there.

I guess I'm in favor of it, helps to organize the clutter
Since were on it mentioning it would be better in my opinion to make it a sub-section in beginners and help it does work in services but since faucets tend to target new users and consist a significant amount of threads in that board, its not a bad fit there.

As a side note - We including alt-board faucets since their are a significant amount of altcoins they need a central location as well.

I am actually wondering why we don't have special faucet section already. Is not hard to create another subsection, and I also think what could possibly (apart of faucets obviously) fit in that new subsection. Maybe it could be called be faucets&giveaways section?

Yes those are part of the "well thats neat" thought and the complaints about the fees beeing to high are less common now. The point still stands that Bitcoin behaves different when transferring small amounts than it is when transferring high amounts. By high Im talking about >100k/1M Satoshi, not 1 BTC or up.


I think my point was not made clearly. IMHO its better to invest a coffees worth of your local currency into bitcoin than to grind your ass off on a faucet. Suggest an app your friends install on their phone and send them 0.01 BTC for buying you a coffee. Now they have something to play around with that is not a false representation like 5000 Satoshi are. Something that does not takes weeks of determination to get. Yes, I am exaggerating a bit here. I know faucets dont pay out that low any more, but I had to clean that mess[1] up for enough to people to know that faucets are not the way to introduce people into bitcoin. I used them myself, I know how hard it can be to convince someone how they are a waste of time and seeing that you run a faucet you are probably convinced that you do something good.


Certainly, sorry for derailing the thread. I am certainly in favour of a dedicated faucet section, but seeing that only a single thread per faucet is allowed I wonder if its reasonable. Opening a section for 100 odd threads?


[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=970041.0

I think there are well over 100 in the entirety of the service announcements.

The main reason why ponzi games were given their own board was because the main gambling board was being overrun with ponzi games. It got to the point where over 3/4 of the threads there were ponzi announcement threads or discussion about ponzis. After taking a look at the service announcements board, it looks like about 1/4 to 1/3 of the threads there are about faucets which is still a fairly high amount. If there were only a few faucets, then a separate board for them would be unnecessary. However, faucets really only appeal to a small group of people since many realize that they just aren't worth the time and energy spent on them so creating a separate board makes sense.

I'm leaning towards the view that creating a new board for faucets would be a good idea.

adding a different section for faucet announcement and discussion will good
so people interested in them can post in a saparate section and others don't see a lot of unmanaged faucet related topic anywhere on forum

Yes, the service announcement board is starting to become the next gambling section, it's being overrun by irrelevant faucet announcements.

Thanks for your opinion.

Where would this new board be located? Would it be better if it was a sub-board in the Service Announcements section (like how the ponzi games were moved to Investor-based Games which is a part of the Gambling section) or a sub-board in the Beginners & Help section?

Sub-board in Service Announcements.

That would be ideal.

Have you tried to send a PM to theymos? Also if he it is buys, and probable he will not read it; but why not try?

I've sent 2.

I suggest giving the faucet users there own spot as well as a referral spot. This way it keeps them off the other threads and contained to one spot. If anybody post referrals out of that section, then ban them. But at least this way people aren't looking for "Slick" ways of trying to gain referrals through posting spam in the threads.

It is worsening. Please create a sub-board.

True, Faucets are pretty useless nowadays for anyone that has spent more than a week on BTC, but for those that are incredibly new, their first satoshis can be acquired for free to play with wallets and experiment. For example, its great to have free satoshis to send from your computer to your smartphone or paper address for testing. In this serve they provide this service.

I think that we can all agree that faucets are useless to members of the community that have found better ways to earn. And that's most of the people that have known bitcoin for more than a month or have a better technical understanding.

We just need to be more vocal about it, if admins don't see enough people wanting this to change it's most likely that we'll never see any change about faucets. A couple of PMs won't do much in my opinion. If you dislike faucets, say it out loud. I'm sure most of us here will agree.

Make a new sub board!

OK. So everyone agrees.

Why hasn't this happened yet?

I personally love this idea.   If there was a faucet sub board it would clean up a lot of spam.

Look in beginner forum there is people battling back and forth saying they have the best faucet list or rotators.  I wish it was removed all to it's own place such as a sub board.

Faucets should be restricted to the "Games and Rounds" forum.

That makes no sense. There are no "on-board" faucets. If you suggest they are gambling they would have to go into the gambling section as most (if not all) faucet have a dedicated homepage.

well the thing its its on the marketplace in a sub categorie no in my opinion the faucets are like for newbies to interact with bitcoin soo it could be also on the newibes page insted of services but im not the best one to moderate that im not even good enghoth not to be banned form 2 to 2 months lol.

Come on theymos! Just a little board for the people who want it and the forum that needs it!

This is getting out of control.

Now there are 29 threads out of a possible 40 on the first page, relating to faucets. Come on..

It;s getting out of hand. If only the administration of the website would look into this more. Faucets are bringing spam to another level. If the rule against spammy advertising and referal links is still allowed all of the faucet topics should be removed. But from what it seems administrators won't even bother.  :-X

Bump.

Today it's Too many faucet in service announcement mod should create sub forum for them. They made my eyes feel dizzy.

Fully agree. Mods, a reply would be appreciated at minimum.

I think theymos has already noticed this thread and maybe he does not want to 'create' that new sub-child board.

I'll make one soon, just thinking of a good name for it.

Description would probably be something like Faucets, pay to click, web based games, and other services primarily based on ads and/or micropayments. I think that covers the targeted sites well and doesn't include any that shouldn't be.

Faucets is a little too specific, free bitcoins is misleading. Micro something?

That is great to hear!   I would agree maybe like "Micro Earnings - Faucets, and rest of list you want here".   

I would love to get them out of service announcements and beginner thread.  It's like the battle of the faucets some day's in beginner thread.

Thank you guys in advance for doing something to fix it.

Micro Earnings is a great name!

In the forum description you can list the different ways people can make money - faucets, signature campaigns, etc.

Thank you for the update! Micro earnings is good. IMHO, addition to faucets, PTC etc..., all off-site games and rounds should be moved to that section.

Finally marcotheminer will be 'happy' about this decision, thanks for the update BadBear.




Exactly ;), all those 'services' should be included in the new forum section.

Thanks for this BadBear! Micro Earnings would work.

I moved the ones on the first couple pages, left redirects to make sure people are aware of the new section. I'm not going to go back further than that, and i didn't look too closely at the threads, just scanned subjects. Someone else can go back further if they want, or just move them as they get bumped, though I don't think more redirects are necessary.

Someone may want to make a thread to be stickied, that explains the downsides to dust, what it is, transaction fees, etc.